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To Establish Peace - A Romance of the Three Kingdoms Quest

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bigking321 said:
But... it's a trap?
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There isn't proof that there is a trap. I think we should end it all in a final battle, we can also test Ge bro and see where his loyalties lie enroute.
DarkLight140 said:
The whole problem here is that we can't finish it in one decisive strike. If we actually knew the enemy army was over there and all we had to do was go and beat them to death, we would. But we don't know that, and it's more likely that they're trying to lure some or all of our troops out so that they're free to act and kill us off piecemeal if they get the chance. Thinking that we could possibly pull off a decisive strike to finish them right now is starry-eyed optimism.
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the quest character is literally a shounen character pulling through in decisive moments, and even if it was a trap we'd still pull thru with our stronger army and skill.
Grimsby said:
We wont
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I say we reveal everything about the plot. It's obvious there are those here who will support this. I we reveal everything but not to the council, but to Ge Dejun. Let him know everything we know and let him watch as those not aligned with use support it. Then we appeal to him as a friend. Let him know despite everything his clan did to us, the way he acted to us, despite the advise of those wiser than us in the arts of intrigue of how poor a character Dejun was to them, we still chose to accept him as a friend. We will offer this moment to him to show really what type of man he is, whether it be a pawn, a sycophant, or a true innocent and noble man led astray by those that would sacrifice their own family to wound those they see as rivals.

Its not perfect, or even correct, but I believe whatever plan we go with should include this. Yu Zhong warned us of Ge's character, so we put it to the test. And if Yu is right, then he is right and we apologize for our capricious nature and trust his judgement for the future. But if he is wrong... we have to know.
 
This isn't even the first time they made this ploy.
Gaz said:
[] Looters in the Fenshan Valley
Xu Jian Says - "There have been reports of robbers and looters, in the north of Fenshan Valley. They apparently snuck in amongst the refugees..."
Ce Xiang Says -"I do hope the militia, and the soldiers left on the estate can handle this. Let us pray that this is nothing more than a few thugs and opportunists."
Zhu Fang Says - "What?! They DARE to plunder Fenshan in our absence?! Shu, let's not stand for this! Show them what happens to those who mess with our home! "
Yu Zhong Says - "Although I am certain Master Xu Tong and the rest can handle this...it would not harm us to send some units to investigate, lest this be something more than just a few burglars. I smell a ploy, here..."
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This is the outcome
Gaz said:
In the Fenshan Valley, Xu Tong and Ce An respond to a plea for aid from the local militia, as looting and rioting and pillaging erupts throughout the district. Your allies chase them from farm to field, driving them away, and killing several in many small, isolated skirmishes. Several hundred criminals and trouble makers melt away into the hills or flee north.

When they return to your estate, they are welcomed with fire and smoke.

A number of the refugees you were sheltering suddenly turned on your village, killing several and starting many fires, torching fields, buildings and even your border fences. Thankfully, your remaining retainers and soldiers were able to chase them away before serious damage could be caused (or before any of your kith or kin could be harmed, captured or killed), but reports come in that your estate and holdings took a beating, and likely were purposefully targeted.

-500 Estate Wealth
-50 Levy Limit
-300 Max Productivity
Border Fences and Watchtowers are damaged
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Doesn't it sound suspiciously similar?
 
americanCaeser said:
I say we reveal everything about the plot. It's obvious there are those here who will support this. I we reveal everything but not to the council, but to Ge Dejun. Let him know everything we know and let him watch as those not aligned with use support it. Then we appeal to him as a friend. Let him know despite everything his clan did to us, the way he acted to us, despite the advise of those wiser than us in the arts of intrigue of how poor a character Dejun was to them, we still chose to accept him as a friend. We will offer this moment to him to show really what type of man he is, whether it be a pawn, a sycophant, or a true innocent and noble man led astray by those that would sacrifice their own family to wound those they see as rivals.

Its not perfect, or even correct, but I believe whatever plan we go with should include this. Yu Zhong warned us of Ge's character, so we put it to the test. And if Yu is right, then he is right and we apologize for our capricious nature and trust his judgement for the future. But if he is wrong... we have to know.
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At no point should we apologise on our actions, considering its his family's actions that's forcing us to act in this manner. If we do reveal the Ge family plot it'd be best to do it to the council and Ge. I don't suggest we go out of our way to cushion the truth to Dejun
 
Grimsby said:
At no point should we apologise on our actions, considering its his family's actions that's forcing us to act in this manner. If we do reveal the Ge family plot it'd be best to do it to the council and Ge. I don't suggest we go out of our way to cushion the truth to Dejun
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I meant apologize to Yu for us being naïve not to Dejun, but I agree. Time to punch Dejun in the face with hard facts
 
A potential move would be to send the regular scouts out, then have them all redirect towards the lands of the Ge.
Profectus said:
Doesn't it sound suspiciously similar?
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Then, if this is indeed the case, raise all arms and march out, but send runners to and fro, with the intent to spring the trap. As soon as trouble is afoot, double back and put them down.

I'm just spiralling here tbf, but it's an idea.
 
@Gaz did any other Gentry/Nobles/Clans remain in their estates?

If it's only the Liang and Ge, then sending scouts to check on both makes sense.
 
I honestly feel like not voting at all right now. Too busy with stuff at home right now. I'll still read and comment, though.
 
A trap that you know is a trap but your enemy doesn't know you know is an opportunity. So in a very real sense the question becomes "who is setting the trap" because if it's the Ge, they shouldn't know that we know, but if it is the bandits it's more likely to be the case they realize how much it looks like a trap and are hoping to just happen to catch us anyway.
 
Can't exactly trap the trapper when we don't know exactly what they're doing?
Mostlyblue said:
There isn't proof that there is a trap. I think we should end it all in a final battle, we can also test Ge bro and see where his loyalties lie enroute.
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When the strategists suspect a trap especially Jia Xu I believe it's likely to be one.
 
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HAHAHA UPDATE! AND. IT. IS. GOOD.

Man I wish I reread the quest, I forgot that we swore to wreck these guys.
First we must confirm the source. The stablehand. How did he get out? He knows from where the bandits came from. Verify the specifics and try to figure out a bit more information.
Ge Dejun is a predictable patsy. And his grandfather won't be the one to pull such a risky plan out of his ass. Especially on his own kin.

That leaves Ge Maiyu. The seducer. It's pretty much guaranteed that she's behind this attack on her family. Especially since there were those hints that she would be a semi-important character moving forwards... Unless we derailed those.
She's apparently Cersei Lannister levels of dumb. I bet she's tried to take advantage of this loss by getting them to do this ambush.
Erzherzog_Karl said:
Ge Maiyu Negaverse quest​
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Of course I could simply be reading too much into this sidestory.
Edit: Huh. I could have sworn I finished that sentence.
 
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I'm of the inclination to tread carefully.

Personally, I would like to:
- Reveal the Ge clan's duplicity and dealings with the bandits.
- Deal with Ge Dejun if that info makes him into a problem
- Use said info as justification to more intensely question the messenger
- Assuming we don't get evidence of how this is a trap:
- Send out a small scouting force and break to discuss the possible traps we might be walking into and plan our next move with our retainers and allies. If Dejun is still on our side, send him with the scouting group to get him out of our hair.

To be honest, let's face it, this is almost definitely a trap. The only thing is, we don't know how this is a trap. Is the plan to draw away defenders from the city in preparation for a mass assault, or is this bait to draw out a small attack force so it can be devoured by a bigger bandit throng in ambush? Heck, we don't know if the Ge won't turn on us when we get there and perform a textbook backstab. We should proceed very carefully.
 
Sorry Ge. Even if Yu Zhong is wrong about you leeching off of our rising star (which from this last update actually kinda looks like what you're doing), your family is marked for death and you walked in just before open collusion between your family and the bandits was made known, so this is an obvious trap.

Maybe you're not in on it, but the only reasonable outcome here is you standing back and watching your family burn, or running ahead to die with them. When the Azure Lances ride out to the Ge farm, it won't be to save them from a fake bandit attack, it'll be to put them down ourselves in the name of both justice and revenge.
 
Not a vote, just an idea for the foundation of one: and less than 200 words!

[] I understand your desire for haste Ge Dejun, however I believe what Jia Xu was saying just before you arrived is pertinent to the report you received from your stablehand. We should allow him to finish before deciding on a course of action.
-[] Have Dejun be restrained if necessary. He needs to hear this.
-[] When evidence of the Ge's treachery and collusion with bandits is revealed to all, draw the obvious connection between the fact that they're working with the bandits and the 'crisis' where they require our immediate and under-prepared help against supposed bandits.
--[] However, we've been waiting for the bandits to reveal themselves for a while now, this may be the opportunity we've been waiting for. We should act with the full knowledge that this is a trap of some sort and try to turn it around on them. However, the full nature of the trap here is yet to be determined...
 
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Gaz said:
His smile broadens. "I am quite pleased to here that. Let this next, and final battle, be one where we draw blades as friends, and bring about a new dawn for our people!"
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Hold up, 'final battle'?

How could Ge Dejun know that? That the next battle, is the final battle?
We don't know that.
...What does he know, that we don't?

Or am I reading too much into it, and he's just predicting a decisive victory over the Heishan Bandits?
 
I'm inclined to think the latter. On the other hand, that doesn't make it any less suspicious since, uh, he's surprisingly confident for a guy whose self-confidence got wrecked by the previous clash.
 
[X] Plan Keep Watch
-[X] Ask the Jia Xu to finish what he was saying earlier
-[X] Stay in the city and keep scouting
--[X] Keep an extra eye in our own estate
-[X] Triple the guards at the granaries, they are not to move unless one of our most trusted officers or the Prefect himself say otherwise.

I'm not going to willingly walk into what looks like a trap. According to the update sitting and waiting benefits us, we just have to be careful to not let our granaries burn. We can move out when we find out where the fuck is their army.
 
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