- Location
- USA
[X] Coldly Furious. You are furious at being framed and deceived, but you must win tomorrow's battle before you can pursue action against the Ge
To Establish Peace - A Romance of the Three Kingdoms Quest
- Thread starter Gaz
- Start date
- Alt. History Historic
- Location
- Earth
[X] Saddened. You are depressed and hurt by this betrayal. You thought Maiyu and the Ge as friends, and cannot help but tear up at being used by them.
ConfusedCanuck
Where did it all go wrong?
- Location
- Neverland
[X] Patient. You will focus on the matter at hand for now, the bandits come first. For now, you will set this aside...but you will deal with this, later.
[X] Paranoid. Just who else has been tricking you and betraying you? How far does all of this go? Who else can't be trusted?
IMO, coldly furious does not fit what Gaz has told us about Shu.
The young man has some deep seated insecurities and a developed inferiority complex that we have managed to stave off from causing issues via a steady stream of victories and accomplishments.
However, insecure people do not react rationally to betrayal or sudden changes in fortune. Or to finding out that someone has been actively toying with their feelings and lying about their actions practically the entire time they have known that person. So yeah, paranoia or hot anger or sadness are not great responses, but they are very legitimate ones.
I don't see Shu handling this very well at all. Heck for all of his maturity he is a teenager, they do not handle this kind of thing with poise and rationality.
IMO, coldly furious does not fit what Gaz has told us about Shu.
The young man has some deep seated insecurities and a developed inferiority complex that we have managed to stave off from causing issues via a steady stream of victories and accomplishments.
However, insecure people do not react rationally to betrayal or sudden changes in fortune. Or to finding out that someone has been actively toying with their feelings and lying about their actions practically the entire time they have known that person. So yeah, paranoia or hot anger or sadness are not great responses, but they are very legitimate ones.
I don't see Shu handling this very well at all. Heck for all of his maturity he is a teenager, they do not handle this kind of thing with poise and rationality.
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Himmelhand
Giant Sinkhole 2020
- Location
- Midwestern US
The way I see it, Shu would not want to sit on the information. However, he also tends to respect the authority of the government. It's logical to me that he might be quite hurt personally, but out of sincere and urgent concern along with the scope of the issue and the broader implications of the conspiracy Shu would approach the Prefect.
The urgency and need for immediate action is why I voted for Relieved. Realistically I would probably aim for a more sad/hurt but urgent reaction, but this seems more in line than fury.
The urgency and need for immediate action is why I voted for Relieved. Realistically I would probably aim for a more sad/hurt but urgent reaction, but this seems more in line than fury.
- Location
- nowhere
[X] Relieved. Everything starts to make sense, it was never you. The Ge were the true enemy hiding behind Leng Jun and manipulating things to the detriment of all. For the good of Xinshen, you will inform the prefect about your suspicions and act with him together for a brighter future for Xinshen.
- Location
- NY
So, how many heads do people think are about to roll?
- Location
- UK
[X] Relieved. Everything starts to make sense, it was never you. The Ge were the true enemy hiding behind Leng Jun and manipulating things to the detriment of all. For the good of Xinshen, you will inform the prefect about your suspicions and act with him together for a brighter future for Xinshen.
[X] Patient. You will focus on the matter at hand for now, the bandits come first. For now, you will set this aside...but you will deal with this, later.
[X] Saddened. You are depressed and hurt by this betrayal. You thought Maiyu and the Ge as friends, and cannot help but tear up at being used by them.
[X] Calm. You need more evidence, more proof before you can make a decision here. You calm yourself, and think rationally about this.
[X] Saddened. You are depressed and hurt by this betrayal. You thought Maiyu and the Ge as friends, and cannot help but tear up at being used by them.
[X] Calm. You need more evidence, more proof before you can make a decision here. You calm yourself, and think rationally about this.
- Location
- Germany
With what is on the table and what we have currently only Ge Maiyu is really in trouble. If the information about the Ge Clan having made deals with Chu Yan and their involvement with the death of our father gets out or is found, things will escalate.
Don't want to double post, so here another case for relieved.
I made the relieved vote, because of two points.
First, with Shu's lack of self-esteem it is typical to look for mistakes first intrinsic instead towards external sources. He will always think he did something wrong instead of someone else being responsible. In this case, there is the major change in attitude from the Ge family. From open ally and supporter to being dismissive at every turn and openly antagonistic. Shu can reasonably think, their change is his fault. He rejected Ge Lang's offer for marriage, and he may have not shown enough humility for someone his age. We know, such thought are stupid, but his low self-esteem says otherwise.
Now there comes evidence out, that it is not his fault. At first a great weight should be lifted from his shoulders. It was not his fault. He did nothing to justify the actions of Ge Dejun and the Ge Clan. They were just assholes the whole time. From this position, he makes his decision for how to deal with it.
The other point is Shu has always been proactive. From the moment he left his isolation and ended the grieving period for his father, he has acted. I want to continue this trend and therefore he goes to the authorities. Because he is not completely without any skill in intrigue and can see the bigger picture I want him to not just throw everything on the table and let the dice fall however they fall. If we knew about their involvement in Shu's father's death, things would be different. But we don't know IC about it. Shu went first to Leng Jun, then to Ding Yuan and accepted the authority of Zhang Xiu. Currently, he is still a loyal servant of Han. We will cure him of that (^^), but the fate of the Ge is out of our hands according to the law. Zhang Xiu is the highest local authority, and he can and should deal with it.
redzonejoe
Vaguely Pastafarian
- Location
- Canada
Spoiler because wow. Way too long a response.
Okay you are just not understanding me at all. I'm not arguing against an option. Or for an option. I'm not arguing options. Choose A, choose B, I don't care.
I'm arguing against an argument. More specifically, I'm arguing against a mindset.
All of these arguments stem from the same place. This idea that we should focus on what's strategically important, using Shu's reaction to gain an advantage.
In every single response I've made, I've tried to hammer in that detail and you're still not getting it. You're arguing about which option is best, I'm arguing that we should be choosing Shu's reaction during this vote to choose Shu's reaction, not trying to wrangle in some last second bonus tactics.
Now you might think I'm making a big deal out of nothing. This was never intended to be an argument, just a comment.
"Hey guys, I'd like it if we focused on character instead of strategy for a second."
Then you came in and attacked an option. "This option sucks because it's not strategic, and also it's ooc"
So obviously I responded. I don't care if it's not strategic, and I don't believe it's ooc.
Again, to reiterate for the nth time, I'm not arguing against any option. I never intended to argue at all. I made a comment asking us to consider things emotionally rather than strategically, as voters. If you like cold fury as a character, that's fine. If you like cold fury because that's obviously logically the best option, that's... Also fine, but not something I'm super happy with hence my original comment.
Again, I never wanted to argue, I'm not attacking any option, I made a simple suggestion hoping maybe a couple people would take it to heart.
In summary:
Me: Hey can we maybe focus on the emotions instead of strategy?
You: but the strategy and also your emotions are wrong
Me: I don't care about strategy and I'm pretty sure emotions can't be wrong, just poorly written
You: You're basically throwing a temper tantrum, your argument is nonsense, your positions are contradictory and invalid, and your reading comprehension is shit
Me: this post
You: ???
Honestly I'd be happy to drop it here, I've said what I wanted to say, then clarified about 5 different times. Hopefully you understand my actual position now. Your option isn't wrong, I just hope players are choosing it for the right reasons.
"Who are you to decide -"
Nobody, just a guy with a preference and a single comment that you helped snowball into this mess. We done?
I'm arguing against an argument. More specifically, I'm arguing against a mindset.
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All of these arguments stem from the same place. This idea that we should focus on what's strategically important, using Shu's reaction to gain an advantage.
In every single response I've made, I've tried to hammer in that detail and you're still not getting it. You're arguing about which option is best, I'm arguing that we should be choosing Shu's reaction during this vote to choose Shu's reaction, not trying to wrangle in some last second bonus tactics.
Now you might think I'm making a big deal out of nothing. This was never intended to be an argument, just a comment.
"Hey guys, I'd like it if we focused on character instead of strategy for a second."
Then you came in and attacked an option. "This option sucks because it's not strategic, and also it's ooc"
So obviously I responded. I don't care if it's not strategic, and I don't believe it's ooc.
Yes.
Yes. No. Maybe?
Again, to reiterate for the nth time, I'm not arguing against any option. I never intended to argue at all. I made a comment asking us to consider things emotionally rather than strategically, as voters. If you like cold fury as a character, that's fine. If you like cold fury because that's obviously logically the best option, that's... Also fine, but not something I'm super happy with hence my original comment.
Again, I never wanted to argue, I'm not attacking any option, I made a simple suggestion hoping maybe a couple people would take it to heart.
Yes. You kinda maybe sorta get my position, but still not really. I'm not saying your options are bad or wrong, I'm saying that thought process is unappealing to me. And that's only worth mentioning because you specifically tried to use that exact thought process to argue against me here:
Which obviously I rejected, considering that even the attempt to mention this completely missed the point I wanted to make.
In summary:
Me: Hey can we maybe focus on the emotions instead of strategy?
You: but the strategy and also your emotions are wrong
Me: I don't care about strategy and I'm pretty sure emotions can't be wrong, just poorly written
You: You're basically throwing a temper tantrum, your argument is nonsense, your positions are contradictory and invalid, and your reading comprehension is shit
Me: this post
You: ???
Honestly I'd be happy to drop it here, I've said what I wanted to say, then clarified about 5 different times. Hopefully you understand my actual position now. Your option isn't wrong, I just hope players are choosing it for the right reasons.
"Who are you to decide -"
Nobody, just a guy with a preference and a single comment that you helped snowball into this mess. We done?
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- Location
- Washington
[X] Saddened. You are depressed and hurt by this betrayal. You thought Maiyu and the Ge as friends, and cannot help but tear up at being used by them.
Alexander89
Pet the pretty kitty? Y/N
- Location
- Italy
[X] Saddened. You are depressed and hurt by this betrayal. You thought Maiyu and the Ge as friends, and cannot help but tear up at being used by them.
- Location
- My room
[X] Patient. You will focus on the matter at hand for now, the bandits come first. For now, you will set this aside...but you will deal with this, later.
- Location
- Pee Pee Poo Poo
[X] Coldly Furious. You are furious at being framed and deceived, but you must win tomorrow's battle before you can pursue action against the Ge.
Little Dong Zhou is finally here.
Little Dong Zhou is finally here.
[X] Relieved. Everything starts to make sense, it was never you. The Ge were the true enemy hiding behind Leng Jun and manipulating things to the detriment of all. For the good of Xinshen, you will inform the prefect about your suspicions and act with him together for a brighter future for Xinshen.
I have been convinced. Changing my vote.
I have been convinced. Changing my vote.
[X] Pleased. This presents an opportunity for you. Now you have a chance to rid your home of this nest of snakes, and flip all of Xinshen to your own influence.
They might backstab us while we focus on the bandits and I'm interested in an opportunity for turning something to our own personal advantage for once. Unfortunately, it seems like that's not how the vote is going to go.
They might backstab us while we focus on the bandits and I'm interested in an opportunity for turning something to our own personal advantage for once. Unfortunately, it seems like that's not how the vote is going to go.
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- Location
- USA
[x] Paranoid. Just who else has been tricking you and betraying you? How far does all of this go? Who else can't be trusted?
- Location
- NY
Gotta say, the only problem I have with Coldly Furious is that it explicitly puts off dealing with them. It seems like a terrible idea to try to fight a battle with a potential dagger behind us every step of the way.
bearbearington
A plain bear. Nothing more, nothing less.
How about talking to Maiyu? See what's her angle? I do believe that Shu still cares about her.
[x] Paranoid. Just who else has been tricking you and betraying you? How far does all of this go? Who else can't be trusted?
[x] Paranoid. Just who else has been tricking you and betraying you? How far does all of this go? Who else can't be trusted?
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[X] Relieved. Everything starts to make sense, it was never you. The Ge were the true enemy hiding behind Leng Jun and manipulating things to the detriment of all. For the good of Xinshen, you will inform the prefect about your suspicions and act with him together for a brighter future for Xinshen.
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Merc gonna merc ya
[X] Relieved. Everything starts to make sense, it was never you. The Ge were the true enemy hiding behind Leng Jun and manipulating things to the detriment of all. For the good of Xinshen, you will inform the prefect about your suspicions and act with him together for a brighter future for Xinshen.
honestly we should tell the prefect. we can't allow such an danger to us to go unchallenge in the middle of battle.
honestly we should tell the prefect. we can't allow such an danger to us to go unchallenge in the middle of battle.