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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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Interesting that the extent of the Meng rebellion is being downplayed a bit. I mean, it's true "the clan as a whole" is loyal but on the other hand it wasn't just one guy either. I guess if the Duchess isn't going to wipe them out, there's no sense in humiliating them unduly.

yrsillar said:
Song stared at her blankly for a full three seconds, unblinking, the largest break she had seen in the woman's composure thus far. "...The Duchess is wise."
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Things you only need to affirm when there's reason to doubt,
 
"And her sister's strange friend"

Yeah, Ling Qi is a bit of an odd one isn't she. A delight at times but also incredibly odd in an endearing way.

Thank you Yrsssss
 
Glau said:
It'll be interesting to see if he can forge a new way out of a defensive war.
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Defensive? The Duchess is going to shoot her laser beam into the ground so hard you can march an army straight into the underground. Duchess Cai said she would not do what Hui did. The Sect is just chillin' until after the wedding. The fighting we have seen is just the Emerald Seas getting it's war engine running.

Also the General of the White Plumes was at our summit, but now that particular platemailed nightmare can return to the warfront.

The big issue is no one knows in universe (on our side politically) that the Jungle is active, able to leave it's borders, and willing to sabotage anything to do with the Empire. We got a war in front of us, and a post-sublime dagger at our backs.
 
Synthesizer said:
Defensive? The Duchess is going to shoot her laser beam into the ground so hard you can march an army straight into the underground. Duchess Cai said she would not do what Hui did. The Sect is just chillin' until after the wedding. The fighting we have seen is just the Emerald Seas getting it's war engine running.
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Ah yes... because the only time a war is defensive is when you are actively being attacked and ceases to be defensive the moment you push out of your own borders...

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
 
Ehorin said:
Ah yes... because the only time a war is defensive is when you are actively being attacked and ceases to be defensive the moment you push out of your own borders...

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
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I do not believe Shenua's war goals stop at 'defend the province'. This going to be 'Subjugation or Eradication, and Hold New Territory'. A defense war is fought to regain lost territory and establish safety by removing the enemies capacity for violence or the signing of treaties.

I don't think Duchess can or will stop until there is no threat. And treaties will be of Subjugation, not peace. The Hui fought defense wars, when they fought at all.
 
Haku93200 said:
And that will lead the cloud nomad to their last resort. Awakening their ancestral sublime spirit (daugther of nameless father).
Wich is going to be crazy, Yuan He, some elders and a few of LQ sect friends most likely won't make it.
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Not if they can't, because we do have a treaty with the White Sky affiliated tribes. I could see tribes signing with the White Sky if they see where the wind is blowing.

In one of their interludes, it takes a certain number of chiefs and certain circumstances to get their Ancestor awakened. Now, the cool-but-won't-happen idea is sending a dragon-slaying Ancestor into the Jungle, who is part dragon. Let two of our big bads slug in out in Sun territory.
 
Haku93200 said:
And that will lead the cloud nomad to their last resort. Awakening their ancestral sublime spirit (daugther of nameless father).
Wich is going to be crazy, Yuan He, some elders and a few of LQ sect friends most likely won't make it.
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assuming the war will be that quick. I think the subjugation of the cloud nomads will take a long time, the duchess can't really chase them into their cities like she wants to do with the ith (can she?).
 
kattagarian said:
obviously they don't have cities like the ith, but i mean can she force them to fight her instead of them just using harassing strategies?
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One of the chiefs wants to form a Great Horde. If he does that, that's the big mistake, because you're right. Guerilla warfare on friendly territory is the best shot the Cloud Nomads have. A big group is dangerous, but also a big target.
 
Remembering how bad wars between high realms get, how big a hitter can the ith put together, and will the emerald sea survive a war to subjugation? I think there's incentive to not corner them.
 
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Glau said:
Remembering how bad wars between high realms get, how big a hitter can the ith or together, and will the emerald sea survive a war to subjugation? I think there's incentive to not corner them.
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Also because the Ith's most powerful weapons all use sacrifice. You really don't want to corner them. Who knows what they are holding back because the cost is too dear.

In general when fighting the Ith I think that the right tactic is to always make surrender a reasonable option.
 
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"When I infiltrated…" Ling Qi paused. "You implied that Ya-lith-kai is seven cities. Does this make them a league? Is your own a league with its three cities?"
"My people are only a city made of three communities, three hearts in harmony, following the will of the god whose spoken name is Ha from the time of migration," Tcho-Ri replied. "We are not a league. They are seven whole cities who once followed different faces of Ya, but they reached a consensus to make him one. They are a league and are at the limits of consensus. A great league requires that multiple gods remain and form a pantheon, a community of gods."

If I'm reading this right Ya is peak White. This could get really gnarly.
 
Haku93200 said:
And that will lead the cloud nomad to their last resort. Awakening their ancestral sublime spirit (daugther of nameless father).
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If they somehow awaken their sublime I doubt very much matters anymore if it's on the same scale as the sublimes of the Empire as the scale of destruction we would be talking about then is just absurd, even more if in response any of the province's response in kind and awaken their own sublime.
Glau said:
Remembering how bad wars between high realms get, how big a hitter can the ith or together, and will the emerald sea survive a war to subjugation? I think there's incentive to not corner them.
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Can the ES survive a war of subjugation I would say yes as the ES is not alone, if things really take a turn for the worse the Duchess can always ask for help from the rest of the Empire. And if her relationship with the Empress really is that good, I don't see why she wouldn't get that help.

fictionfan said:
Also because the Ith's most powerful weapons all use sacrifice. You really don't want to corner them. Who knows what they are holding back because the cost is too dear.

In general when fighting the Ith I think that the right tactic is to always make surrender a reasonable option.
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Holding back because they might have something that maybe can hurt the Duchess or cause a lot of damage to ES is just bad, if they have something like this then the likely will use it anyway if they are losing.
As, nothing of these specific Ith up to now has shown that they would be willing to life under the empire's rule or as just non-hostile neighbors (of course this might change with new info).
As for letting them surrender, the Duchess has already shown she is willing to let them become "vassal/ tributes" but I have a feeling that the Main force of the Ith is not very interested in surrendering.
 
I was watching some What We Do In The Shadows and started wondering if there are any energy vampire-esque cultivators in the Empire, so I asked Yrs.
Yrsillar said:
Minister of Commerce, Cao Shin, the most no fun allowed man in existence, every interaction requires you follow careful and exacting ritual forms(including the actual spiritual form of triplicate. You must be able to express every thought in terms of mathematical terms, and his presence actively bleaches all color from his surroundings, requiring regular repainting of the main Ministry headquarters
he is, nonetheless vital to the empress' logistical overhauls and other infrastructure projects
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Chester said:
Would renxiang enjoy talking to him?
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Yrsillar said:
She would find it bracing, but perhaps a little much over long periods
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Chester said:
I can only imagine the pain of having to repaint the entire ministry every other month due to your boss bleaching the place
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Yrsillar said:
On the other hand, no one ever loses or misplaces even a single form or makes a single typo or miscalculation in HQ
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Trying to genocide them is precisely the worst move, because then there is no downside for them in Voltron-ing together into a potentially White Realm Entity. And sure, Shenhua might still beat it due to having equipment and allies, it would still be devastating.
 
ShiroiYuki said:
Can the ES survive a war of subjugation I would say yes as the ES is not alone, if things really take a turn for the worse the Duchess can always ask for help from the rest of the Empire. And if her relationship with the Empress really is that good, I don't see why she wouldn't get that help.
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I mean, winning the battle is something I can agree the ES is likely to do.

The concern is that the battlefield, which is also the emerald sea, will be churned into muck and blighted mud in the process.

So I think we need to distinguish between the army of the emerald sea and the physical province of the emerald sea.

After all, technically Golden Fields + empire did win against the Twilight King. They are just still trying to recover from that victory.
 
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