Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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Oh, wow!!

Meng Delun's charge as an elder is the guarding and preservation of forbidden secrets and the development of defenses against them. In old days he was among those who guarded the clans minds from the Hui and the perilous foreign influences that they loved. His concealment arts are without compare in his realm, his understanding of the twisting mental arts deep and steeped with personal experience. He is not a warrior, in the truest sense, but he is at his core a defender

Daaamn! That's so cool!! I really love it! ahahaha

Btw...

[X] She did, Shu Yue had said it, the best battlefield they could ask for was the liminal. She could not fight on this level… but perhaps she only needed to facilitate.
 
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I feel a little bit nervous that Ling Qi hasn't mentioned to Meng Dan or Dui about the fact the rogue Meng have managed to piss off the Bai, who are going to want their pound of flesh. Especially with Meng Dui mentioning a 'cleaning', if the rogue elements just get summarily wiped out I'm not sure the Bai will accept that as appropriate restitution, as opposed to being given the perpetrators to commit whatever bronze age worse than death torture execution punishment they feels appropriate, as was previously hypothesized.

Would be a pretty bad bombshell to drop on them once everything's otherwise done and dusted...
We just have to make sure to bring a few pounds of flesh back. Tradition dictates we bring back his head on a plater.
 
Winter's Crown: What ends and what does not. You have grappled with power and what it means to hold it, what it means for it to be held over you. What does it mean to choose to end, what does it mean to stay your hand. Winter cares not, feels not, but though you wield it, you both care and feel. You're ice is both beauty and horror, deathly cold and the promise of a new day beyond it. But without understanding power and why you wield it, there can only be brittleness and self deception. Seek the Want, the black lightless darkness from which all else emanates, and understand yourself. Advances Winter's Heart by 1. +1 XP to Want and Power. +30 Physical Cultivation XP. Unlocks 1 project. (0/5)

I got it now, the phys. Cultivation gains come from LQ giving Xia Ren a piggyback ride. :V

Jokes aside, great update. Obviously we are gonna go for it, lets hope cautions choices and nice dice during the clash will let us leave without a net loss to both Ling Qi's progress and the summit at large. While Boundaries Untrodden would have been useful here, the "choosing to end" and Power flavor text of Winter's Crown feels also quite fitting here.
 
Man, though, this is interesting.

The "final boss" of Forge was Sun Liling, and she represented in one sense the culmination of Ling Qi's quest to become part of the fabric and weft of the world, to stride amidst the great and powerful, not at that point for an ideological reason but because siding with Bai Meizhen, deciding not to be a hero of the chaos... all of it led to a confrontation with the Sun.

What is shaping up to be the "final boss" (albeit one we won't be facing directly) of Theads is a deeper emnity. Instead of a grudge, it is ideological. Throughout Threads Ling Qi has gone from someone whose Way is fundamentally personal, albeit with aspects of building larger ties, into someone increasingly considering choice and freedom, community and society as key parts of her understanding.

She has embraced Weilubooism, she has taken stances on how choice works, she has dug from the past radical views on freedom and indeed on the relationship between man and spirit (see Weilubooism). And she has fundamentally made herself someone willing to respect the differences that exist, to think about the ways that the powerful can crush the powerless, to see a foreign path like that of WS and see the advantages (and one noted one was not allowing Sovereigns to crush all beneath them).

Ling Qi is not even close to the end of her Way or its final form, but the heady brew she's created is at once something incredibly old and undeniably new. Something at once careful and yet in another sense community-oriented and maybe even proto/quasi-anarchist in some of its tenets. It's something that is a sharp knived challenge to old conservatism, and yet does not consign the past to be nothing. She sneaks, she dodges, she dances in freedom, but it is not only her own freedom alone she seeks.

...and then, on the other hand, we have Meng Delun, described as, "Meng Delun's charge as an elder is the guarding and preservation of forbidden secrets and the development of defenses against them. In old days he was among those who guarded the clans minds from the Hui and the perilous foreign influences that they loved. His concealment arts are without compare in his realm, his understanding of the twisting mental arts deep and steeped with personal experience. He is not a warrior, in the truest sense, but he is at his core a defender." He's also defined as someone who might know "Old Ways" that are questionably non-heretical now.

So yes, in this case there's a very interesting parallel between who they each are and what they've done.

As such, failing to (indirectly) confront them... would be a bit lame, thematically.
 
Going by the actual text of the projects, Winter's Crown is pretty clearly the better fit for helping Xia "The Sword That Rends History" Ren to usher a decrepit elder of preservation into the grave in a sovereign showdown.

Like, sure, we're doing a liminal thing, but the actual content of the Boundaries Untrodden project -
Laughing Flight of the Wind Thief:
Boundaries Untrodden: To slip between, through and around, through the tiniest keyhole or the open window. Round the mountains or through even the veil of death. So walks the thief, who must bypass boundaries in the same way that a bird must fly. But to step across or through, one must understand that which they will violate. Alters and advances the Breeze in the Vault technique. +1 XP to Want and Mystery. Unlocks a new project.
has nothing to do with the actual climax here. (It doesn't even have that much to do with the technique - this isn't a matter of a thief bypassing boundaries like a bird flies, because the bird's job right now isn't to be nimbly cross boundaries, it's to hold an M1 tank inside a boundary.)

Meanwhile, if we're talking philosophy -
Final Frost's Serenade:
Winter's Crown:
What ends and what does not. You have grappled with power and what it means to hold it, what it means for it to be held over you. What does it mean to choose to end, what does it mean to stay your hand. Winter cares not, feels not, but though you wield it, you both care and feel. You're ice is both beauty and horror, deathly cold and the promise of a new day beyond it. But without understanding power and why you wield it, there can only be brittleness and self deception. Seek the Want, the black lightless darkness from which all else emanates, and understand yourself. Advances Winter's Heart by 1. +1 XP to Want and Power. +30 Physical Cultivation XP. Unlocks 1 project. (0/5)
Which is super on the nose with the themes underlying the boss battle that's about to occur. And hey, who knows - upgrading Winter's Heart in a liminal battle for the sake of the summit like this might give us a shot at better tying the Cold, Power, and Endings pieces of our cultivation to our broader diplomatic themes.
 
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Winter's Crown: What ends and what does not. You have grappled with power and what it means to hold it, what it means for it to be held over you. What does it mean to choose to end, what does it mean to stay your hand. Winter cares not, feels not, but though you wield it, you both care and feel. You're ice is both beauty and horror, deathly cold and the promise of a new day beyond it. But without understanding power and why you wield it, there can only be brittleness and self deception. Seek the Want, the black lightless darkness from which all else emanates, and understand yourself.
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I was a little unhappy that we weren't cultivating Boundaries Untrodden for this event that will obviously involve border transgressions. But SWD is a Meng that isn't choosing to end and isn't staying their hand. They wield powers similar to the foul Hui but in the end has fallen to similar temptations as those they once fought against. Why would one choose to wield Power of horror, of death and icy loneliness?

And what an interesting lesson to watch the unravelling of a Defender due to age coinciding with what they see as a vital duty to uphold. At the end of their duty, as their affairs are being put in order, the Heir of the new Ducal Clan of the province announces the intent to personally helm the interaction and negotiations-with foreign elements. Not many big red buttons to hit like that one.

even if nothing goes seriously wrong and all that happens is we're maimed again, watching someone built to Defend their Clan very nearly destroy huge swathes of their surviving clan in the pursuit of some subjective cultural purity will be very enlightening for us. Not only is that the recent history of the Emerald Seas, it's the same kind of self-destructive warfare that the Masons' War was about. Echoed on an on throughout the Seas, the living die for the sake of the long dead. Here we shall witness it happen once again.

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so what horrible complications are we agreeing to? SWD notices the odd meridian thing that Huisheng used when we mantled them, and gets gunk in us? We get hit by the backsplash of some large attack and get sent towards the deep end and we have to spend the last bit of the summit making our way back / surviving until we can be fished out? We get hit by the backsplash of some large attack and get sent deep into Polar Nations Liminal regions and end up having to do some spirit diplomacy in person as we work our way back to the Summit? We end up understanding Xia Ren to a degree that during our carrying of her we accidentally mantle her or otherwise getting Xia Ren gunk in that wound? Having Huisheng show up uninvited and cause problems/hilarity/gives-us-horns?

No idea what'll happen, but I suspect it'll be fun/horrifying/interesting!
 
"If I may Miss Ling, I would go with you, I wish to be of what aid I can," Meng Dan said.

Oh wow he was here through the whole set of discussions. Read in.

If I were writing him as the main character, I would totally have this be the denouement of the first book- the climax was probably today up to the parasite was pulled out (a secret, desperate last second rush to get the information out, to keep his clan from being branded traitor) with all the violets he has just had tell him secrets as the book's payoff and foreshadowing.

Plus, I don't think he's ready to be involved in the actual throwing down portion of the evening, so that'd be off screen between books.

Also, we are taking Xia Ren to cut down a rotten piece of harmful tradition and stale history. That's going to be a field day for her.

She is going to be so happy with us, tbh. We've given her good reasons for everything we've done so far, and here is where we show her that we heard her warnings, and are willing to actually cut down the pieces of the past that threaten the present.

As such, failing to (indirectly) confront them... would be a bit lame, thematically.

Agreed! And we are going into the confrontation armed with The Sword that Cuts History.

Which really almost... the quote I'm thinking of, I think, is "He who controls the present controls the past, and he who controls the past and the present controls the future."

And now I'm thinking about information warfare and agitprop as the weaponization of the way of Communication.
 
[X] She did, Shu Yue had said it, the best battlefield they could ask for was the liminal. She could not fight on this level… but perhaps she only needed to facilitate.

We have to see this through to the end.
 
[X] She did, Shu Yue had said it, the best battlefield they could ask for was the liminal. She could not fight on this level… but perhaps she only needed to facilitate.
 
[X] She did, Shu Yue had said it, the best battlefield they could ask for was the liminal. She could not fight on this level… but perhaps she only needed to facilitate.
 
[X] She did, Shu Yue had said it, the best battlefield they could ask for was the liminal. She could not fight on this level… but perhaps she only needed to facilitate.
 
So actually based off this question I figured it could be a good idea to go over cultivator numbers again.

White's are of course the peak of cultivation, and there are currently 9 known (human) Whites in the empire:
In the Emerald Seas, this is our beloved and awe-inspiring Duchess.

From there there are approximately 10 prisms in the province as per WoG, most of whom are inactive elders. The Meng may thus be expected to have maybe two prisms. Hence why Meng Delun being a prism would be unlikely and a really big deal - he would be either their strongest or second strongest cultivator.

Looking at violets, we have 9 count-level organisations (6 counts, 3 great sects). These range in strength from the weaker sects (Rushing Cloud and Blue Mountain) who have maybe two violets apiece, to the Argent Sect with ~10 (though the Argent Sect is very top heavy due to being formed from the survivors of the Ogodei world first raid group). Numbers are obviously uncertain and can vary a lot, but we might guesstimate around 60-odd violets in the province depending on violet to prism ratios.

From there indigos get more uncertain, though we know the Argent Sect has around 30. If we take a conservative estimate of around 3 indigos to a violet for stable count entities, then we're looking at ~200 indigos for the counts. Then there are between 10-20 viscounts under each count, who will also have varying numbers of indigos. Like, on one hand you have the losers like the Xu with 1 indigo. Otoh you have the Gu with somewhere between 3 to 10 indigos ish. But you're probably looking at like another 200-300 indigos across the viscounts, so like 400-500 indigos in the province maybe?

So yeah, that should at least provide a general idea of the relative levels of importance across the high realms.
 
[X] She did, Shu Yue had said it, the best battlefield they could ask for was the liminal. She could not fight on this level… but perhaps she only needed to facilitate.
 
[X] She did, Shu Yue had said it, the best battlefield they could ask for was the liminal. She could not fight on this level… but perhaps she only needed to facilitate.
 
[X] She did, Shu Yue had said it, the best battlefield they could ask for was the liminal. She could not fight on this level… but perhaps she only needed to facilitate.
 
[X] She did, Shu Yue had said it, the best battlefield they could ask for was the liminal. She could not fight on this level… but perhaps she only needed to facilitate.

YO, and I cannot emphasize this enough, LO.
 
[X] She did, Shu Yue had said it, the best battlefield they could ask for was the liminal. She could not fight on this level… but perhaps she only needed to facilitate.
 
[X] She did, Shu Yue had said it, the best battlefield they could ask for was the liminal. She could not fight on this level… but perhaps she only needed to facilitate.
 
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