Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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That's a very, very big assumption.
And one I dont actually put any stock in
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- CA
[X] No she would leave that to him, there was something more here.
There's arguments for both, I just think this scene will be more interesting. We've seen Ling Qi run and we've seen her run through the liminal, but this sort of investigation is more likely to be novel and different.
There's arguments for both, I just think this scene will be more interesting. We've seen Ling Qi run and we've seen her run through the liminal, but this sort of investigation is more likely to be novel and different.
These people planned on their tools being examined. If we don't examine this now, we can be sure there will be nothing left. We need evidence to show both the Polars and the other Imperials. And we need it before it disappears for good. Even if we catch someone, they could be just another patsy. This spore-spider-dream is too unique to be anything but a smoking gun. We need it.
[X] No she would leave that to him, there was something more here
[X] No she would leave that to him, there was something more here
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- The Space Between
it's disappointing that the argument is basically " I don't think we'll get anything from a chase"
why do people think this is a trap vote huh? Why do people think all we are gonna get is a patsy, but we're certain to succeed at the option we've never done before!
The way I see it the thread could erupt in salt if either option fails. The information is terrible, the stakes are high, and the outcomes shrouded in mystery. If either fails it's gonna be a real kick in the teeth
we don't even know if rolls are involved or if this is going to just be a choice of scene.
eugh. nasty vote
why do people think this is a trap vote huh? Why do people think all we are gonna get is a patsy, but we're certain to succeed at the option we've never done before!
The way I see it the thread could erupt in salt if either option fails. The information is terrible, the stakes are high, and the outcomes shrouded in mystery. If either fails it's gonna be a real kick in the teeth
we don't even know if rolls are involved or if this is going to just be a choice of scene.
eugh. nasty vote
Oliver_Twister
Idea-Man, He Who Shits Ideas
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- West Africa
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- He/Him
For Shu Yue:
And Cao Chun is investigating an incident a the meeting hall that the culprits have tried to distract him, a fifth realm investigator with the accident we're dealing with.
I think it's a very small leap to assume that whatever is going on there is higher priority and thus involves a higher priority target.
I agree with everything but the first line. We can delegate the chase to Jin Tae, but not the forensics
So the assumption is that Shu Yie has already identified their shadowy rival whilst serving as a potential check, and Cao Chun absolutely is pursuing the actual mastermind rather than a patsy employed as a public distraction to enable the play that went on here in the liminal?
Cats Paws are a thing.
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
[X] Yes, the man could be examined at leisure, by cultivators and physicians greater than she.
Oliver_Twister
Idea-Man, He Who Shits Ideas
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- West Africa
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Not at all, I never said so.
She Yue has stated that they're investigating the mastermind, who they think may be a peer in cultivation. Plain and simple. I never said anything more, for one.
The only assumption I made is that whoever Cao is chasing is a higher ranked piece than the person in the distraction. Not only because they tried to hide what they're doing from him, but also because that person is operating in a place with lots more high realm notice than one mountain peak.
Again, I think that's a small leap based on available info. I never said he's dealing with the ACTUAL mastermind.
And what we're dealing with her is the distraction...Cao is dealing with whatever they were trying to hide from him. Cao said so in the previous update that we're dealing with the distraction while he deals with the hidden agenda.
I hope this clarifies the misinterpretation.
Edit: And I know cat paws are a thing. Buuuuuut, I also think it's reasonable to assume that whoever is participating in the DISTRACTION is the cat's paw, while whoever is participating in the HIDDEN OP that is not.
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- Staring into the void
[X] No she would leave that to him, there was something more here.
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[X] No she would leave that to him, there was something more here.
I want to see a chase scene. Plus, getting in the face of our enemies is much better potential for Ling Qi shenanigans. Obviously there are upsides and downsides to each option, but I refuse to believe that either path is just wrong.
[X] Yes, the man could be examined at leisure, by cultivators and physicians greater than she.
Also considering that the art seems to be spider related, and the Hui base here had spiders… I think this is a Hui art/trap. Something that Cao is specifically experienced in dealing with.
[X] Yes, the man could be examined at leisure, by cultivators and physicians greater than she.
Also considering that the art seems to be spider related, and the Hui base here had spiders… I think this is a Hui art/trap. Something that Cao is specifically experienced in dealing with.
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- FR
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- He/Him
[X] No she would leave that to him, there was something more here.
We're cultivating Thief of Names while investigating a very unique effect. If we get lucky, we might get the Name of the prime mver from this. I'm not sure that's less valuable than the best case scenario for the chase, IE capturing a minion.
We're cultivating Thief of Names while investigating a very unique effect. If we get lucky, we might get the Name of the prime mver from this. I'm not sure that's less valuable than the best case scenario for the chase, IE capturing a minion.
That...Doesnt track at all. Why would the actual, subtle sabotage taking place in a realm that the MoI officials cant easily affect be the distraction?
Distractions require bait, and bait requires ease of access in order to be pursued. Going to all the trouble of using this roundabout method just to go loud in the physical realm, well within Cao Chuns reach, is counter intuitive to the point of Tzeenchian self-sabotage
If Ling Qi, someone actually skilled in the ways of the liminal, would have difficulty catching this method in the act in such a way as to be easily cancelled were her presence detected...
Then isnt it obvious that the various obfuscation methods frustrating the Jin were the intended actual trap for Ling Qi, and the stuff in the physical realm was intended to distract Cao Chun from being able to lend her his assistance instead?
Like, actually obvious. The fact that the culprit is pulling a runner and is trackable in so doing represents a failure on their part in covering their trail
A chained vulnerability brought about by the successfully hidden usage of Jin himself, rather than the expected first responders in Ling Qi and Cao Chun.
Thus, the runner is a genuine loose end by default
Insisting that they're a distraction requires the assumption that Ling Qi was in a position to catch the agent, that this agent being caught advances their REAL objectives, and that this objective justifies the sacrifice of a highly skilled and subtle liminal cultivator of the Third Realm or greater. In addition to throwing away whomever Cao Chun is presently running down.
So either Hui-style Third Realm+ liminal cultivators are something commonly available in the Emerald Seas (all signs point to that being a no), or the runner is a non-trivial asset.
In which case.
Chase em down
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- The United States
- Pronouns
- He/They
I think pursuit is the correct option here for several reasons: we're probably better than Tai at it, we're probably fresher than Tai is, and if the examination turns up nothing we have egg on our face because we clearly made a mistake but on the other hand if the pursuit turns out to have been a waste of time we can throw the traitorous Jin under the bus.
My Xuan bias may be showing.
[X] Yes, the man could be examined at leisure, by cultivators and physicians greater than she.
My Xuan bias may be showing.
[X] Yes, the man could be examined at leisure, by cultivators and physicians greater than she.
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- South Africa
[X] Yes, the man could be examined at leisure, by cultivators and physicians greater than she.
[X] Yes, the man could be examined at leisure, by cultivators and physicians greater than she.
Thread has spent 5 years building Ling Qi into the Queen of Speed while studiously ignoring any chance to learn more than the very basics of scholarly arts, and now is the moment to play doctor? Come on. Go fast.
If we only do catch a patsy, so what? That's how crime rings get taken down, agent by agent. Moreover, a patsy will still be very useful - if they're Imperial, the Polar Nations are cleared, if they're gunky, the Ithi- Ithya- the rats are to blame, etc. etc.
But I don't think it's going to be a patsy. This is a pretty delicate weapon, it would be hard to make a version operable by any Red-tier goon. More likely, it requires a higher-level cultivator to pull the trigger, and the enemy cannot have an infinite supply of those, let alone disposable, easily duped ones.
Thread has spent 5 years building Ling Qi into the Queen of Speed while studiously ignoring any chance to learn more than the very basics of scholarly arts, and now is the moment to play doctor? Come on. Go fast.
If we only do catch a patsy, so what? That's how crime rings get taken down, agent by agent. Moreover, a patsy will still be very useful - if they're Imperial, the Polar Nations are cleared, if they're gunky, the Ithi- Ithya- the rats are to blame, etc. etc.
But I don't think it's going to be a patsy. This is a pretty delicate weapon, it would be hard to make a version operable by any Red-tier goon. More likely, it requires a higher-level cultivator to pull the trigger, and the enemy cannot have an infinite supply of those, let alone disposable, easily duped ones.
Oliver_Twister
Idea-Man, He Who Shits Ideas
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- West Africa
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- He/Him
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Lots of accidents to draw attention.
Textual fact that the accident is meant to draw Cao's attention away from the meeting hall.
Sooooo, the current accident, the distraction, is what we're dealing with. It was meant to draw Cao away from the hall. Now, Cao is dealing with the actual thing at the meeting hall. Hence the recent back and forth that we were "callously" using people as bait.
And you are making the assumption that whatever Cao is dealing with is also not happening in the Liminal.
After the mention of the culprits using Liminal arts, Cao's mention of stopping the accident, and himself the fact that Cao's last assignment was hunting down Hui sleeper cells, it's very likely that he can use Liminal arts and dreamwalk.
We also only know he's detected an incident at the Hall too. Nothing else.
He may be pursuing threats in the Liminal there. Which I think is likely. A fifth realm actively pursuing someone in the physical world during negotiations sounds really disruptive, you know?
Like, it's exactly like the first option in the previous vote, except it's Cao doing the lurking, and he's moving from the physical world to the Liminal to keep appearances.
Edit: Also, this is why I think Cao Chun can do the identification of the factions by himself here. I really don't know where the other things came from.
So, do uncover a larger plot done with the infomorphic arts while dealing with what was meant to be a simple rescue. What do we do?
Investigate it
If these spores have been released at each accident l, it could have infected a lot of the work crews, the people who are building the embassy infrastructure, setting down the security formations, and building temporary stays for the people at the Embassy.
If they are the multi-step poisons they seem to be, learning to even identify them will help a lot on delaying a plot that's been cooking for at least a month now.
Plus, I very much doubt the people delivering thr payloads here are the makers. So, if we investigate with Thief of Names, we may discover, well, the Names of the person making them. That's a pretty big find, imo. She's already been doing it here
And we gave someone who can do the chase for us. Jin Tae, someone who's shown to be really professional and skilled in this mission already.
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Hmmm,
I think both choices lead to a separate chain of investigations.
One allows us to preserve the used weapon better and make it easier for the investigators to figure out what kind of weapon was used and who could have created it.
The other option lets us get a glimpse or even catch whoever used the weapon and go from there.
I think both options will further the investigation and are valid options.
So I'm going to vote for the "4fun" option … GOTTA GO FAST!
[X] Yes, the man could be examined at leisure, by cultivators and physicians greater than she.
I think both choices lead to a separate chain of investigations.
One allows us to preserve the used weapon better and make it easier for the investigators to figure out what kind of weapon was used and who could have created it.
The other option lets us get a glimpse or even catch whoever used the weapon and go from there.
I think both options will further the investigation and are valid options.
So I'm going to vote for the "4fun" option … GOTTA GO FAST!
[X] Yes, the man could be examined at leisure, by cultivators and physicians greater than she.