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With omake points we can get the chance of the ES favorability to stay the same with a 90% chance which is pretty good so I say we do it.
The Laurent said:
Who is the Keeper of the Omake Points, btw?
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@EternalObserver tracks these things and there is a tab in informational that has them though it may be outdated.

Edit: someone in discord reminded yrs that it should be a 40% bonus rather than a 50% one so it's down to 80% which is still good :V
 
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This is ALSO a really good deal.
They're paying US to provide manpower, and exposure to more varied ideas is good for the capital when they cycle back.

The downside is above us - it increases justified imperial influence in provincial matters. Which is stickier but hardly new.
 
I mean, even if we take a slight hit, it's worth the risk. Moving the MoI from "Slightly Miffed" to "Mollified" will save us a number of headaches down the line as long as we don't torpedo it right away again.
 
[ ]Advise that the deal be taken. (+1 Favorability to the Ministry of Integrity, -1 Favorability to Emerald Seas Nobility. Additional Ministry Influence on Embassy)

This is a pretty reasonable price all things considered and it gives them MIO a stake in this whole thing beyond the commands of the Empress.
 
[X]Advise that the deal be taken. (+1 Favorability to the Ministry of Integrity, -1 Favorability to Emerald Seas Nobility. Additional Ministry Influence on Embassy)

I think this is the best spot to throw the MoI a bone. With omakes it's an 80% probability we don't get the malus too
 
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Yeah, Favorability with the Ministry of Integrity is the Heresy Witchhunt Healthbar, we want every cheap +1 we can get.
 
Main risk would be it becomming a punishment detail to judges who are not in favour with their superriors.
But i think it is not a huge risk short term.
We probably do need to give MoI something eventually, and this is not a big ask.
 
Having the peaks involved in the maintenance of borders, even tangentially, is also a good fallback to maintain external face if the emerald seas descend into civil war again.
 
[X]Advise that the deal be taken. (+1 Favorability to the Ministry of Integrity, -1 Favorability to Emerald Seas Nobility. Additional Ministry Influence on Embassy)

Plus who knows when we'll have spend these points.
 
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[ ]Advise that the deal be taken. (+1 Favorability to the Ministry of Integrity, -1 Favorability to Emerald Seas Nobility. Additional Ministry Influence on Embassy)

This seems like a good compromise.

Glau said:
Having the peaks involved in the maintenance of borders, even tangentially, is also a good fallback to maintain external face if the emerald seas descend into civil war again.
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Thats a good point. It also makes sure the Peaks have atleast some interest in this venture.
 
Valmond said:
Main risk would be it becomming a punishment detail to judges who are not in favour with their superriors.
But i think it is not a huge risk short term.
We probably do need to give MoI something eventually, and this is not a big ask.
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We were told they'd be operating in good faith, he's a man of integrity, if they went against his word, they'd be dealing with him.
 
[ ]Advise that the deal be taken. (+1 Favorability to the Ministry of Integrity, -1 Favorability to Emerald Seas Nobility. Additional Ministry Influence on Embassy)

This is not unreasonable, and though it gives the Peaks more influence, it seems to be a bargain in good faith that will not be overly detrimental to our interests. The 80% chance of avoiding negative consequences also appears safe enough, and we really don't want the MOI mad at us when we had this relatively easy chance to gain favorability with them. Ignoring it might make it more difficult in the future to gain favor with them, as I suspect that trying to increase favorability after not doing so here would have a higher cost.
 
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Valmond said:
Cao is neither all powerful or immortal.
As i said, not a huge risk short term, but institutional rot will inevitably rear its ugly head.
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Ah, but glitzy and exotic trade city postings are always sought after. That'll keep high quality candidates interested.

We just need to succeed beyond all reasonable expectation, just like always.
 
I support this agreement. Involving the ministry might make the judgments a bit more cold and inflexible. But, I imagine the other side will also send inflexible people to push their own interests, and the ministry has a reason to be concerned that judges that are too lenient will be appointed, which will bend over to foreign demands too easily.

The ministry probably wants to ensure that whoever is participating in the rulings is not easily swayed to capitulate under foreign pressure, for the sake of keeping harmony.
 
Glau said:
Ah, but glitzy and exotic trade city postings are always sought after. That'll keep high quality candidates interested.

We just need to succeed beyond all reasonable expectation, just like always.
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Sought after posts also invite corruption in the selection process.
So, high quality, sure, but what quality?
BUt that's likely to be a problem for next generation, not us.
 
[ ]Advise that the deal be taken. (+1 Favorability to the Ministry of Integrity, -1 Favorability to Emerald Seas Nobility. Additional Ministry Influence on Embassy)

We sorta need to get some points with the MoI otherwise we'll be working with a -10 on all rolls that might lose favor with them.
 
yeah, this is an infinitely reasonable ask because influence in this goes both ways.

This is likely the best concession we'll be getting from the MoI by a long shot, since in this case they are doing things completely by the book. It is merely their overreach that we have to guard this endeavor against, and this offer is clearly not that.
 
Yeah, the way things are hinted at here we are probably going to be doing some spy discussions with the MoI right after this so we can hopefully get a little snowball effect of improving MoI favor here.

Also to note is that this does not give the MoI any more influence on the Summit itself just the embassy that is going to be its baby so we can steer clear of things that would give these judges too much influence on the embassy itself.
 
[X] Advise against taking the deal (Favorability unchanged, Ministry does not gain influence on Embassy)

So, unpopular opinion here, but I don't think this option 1 is a good trade because of the additional influence over the embassy. I have a feeling that'll come back to bite us later in some form later on, whether it be trade or something else. (I know this vote is specifically for legislature and a conflict resolution panel, but still).

Plus, the Diao specifically want to keep the MoI out of provincial business. Since they're the largest, most powerful ES clan who explicitly do not like the summit, picking the option that's counter to their wants will kinda go against us later on.

This is a provincial matter which the MoI is trying to butt into, and appeasing them in favour of the ES Nobility, the people we're trying to help, doesn't feel right to me. There is a chance we can negate it, sure, but it's not set in stone, and, at the end of the day, it'll still won't have the ES's interests at heart.

Lastly, this is literally the second vote in the first arc in the first section here. There probably will be a lot more opportunities to increase the MoI's favourability.

If it was already confirmed that there'll be an even panel, with 1 MoI, 1 ES/ 1 WS, 1 PT, I would prefer option 1 more, as it'll be more in-line with the previous vote and its reasoning. But that's not confirmed yet, so I'm against option 1.
 
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yrsillar said:
"No, both the Empire and the Polar Nation have a tradition of singular judges presiding. While there are problems with it. The chance of bias toward their homes, and the lack of accountability structures because of the strange jurisdiction, we felt it was important to discuss the traditional option and find out if there were solutions to be had."
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I have a simple solution: all disputes shall be presided over with equal and impartial unfairness by Judge Hanyi, who will rule based on the bribes and shameless flattery that she receives
 
Honestly, it's not the best deal. We don't want the Ministry to have more influence. But we need to get the MoI out of the negatives before rolls involving them start coming up, or we risk snowballing into them working against us. This particular trade gives us a pretty favorable roll to keep all our existing bonuses. A later MoI deal might involve a worse angle, such as needing us to roll to not lose rep with the White Plumes or Polar Theocracy. Best take what we can get here.
 
There'd be a lot more opportunities to lose MoI favor, because the whole project is against their preferences and we're already starting in the negatives.

This one stroke we bring them to neutral.
 
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