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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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[X] Dig into the philosophy of their arts more, in relation to the Red Goddess. Not the secrets which would never be shared, but their outward purpose. If she could articulate that well and truthfully it might settle the Twisted Pine's nerves.
 
[X] Dig into the philosophy of their arts more, in relation to the Red Goddess. Not the secrets which would never be shared, but their outward purpose. If she could articulate that well and truthfully it might settle the Twisted Pine's nerves.
 
[X] Dig into the philosophy of their arts more, in relation to the Red Goddess. Not the secrets which would never be shared, but their outward purpose. If she could articulate that well and truthfully it might settle the Twisted Pine's nerves.
 
Adhoc vote count started by EternalObserver on May 17, 2023 at 11:33 PM, finished with 102 posts and 59 votes.
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Arts philosophy angle seems more convincing.

[X] Dig into the philosophy of their arts more, in relation to the Red Goddess. Not the secrets which would never be shared, but their outward purpose. If she could articulate that well and truthfully it might settle the Twisted Pine's nerves.
 
[X] Dig into the philosophy of their arts more, in relation to the Red Goddess. Not the secrets which would never be shared, but their outward purpose. If she could articulate that well and truthfully it might settle the Twisted Pine's nerves.
 
I don't see the utility of learning about the Wests philosophy of their arts.
Sure, it can be personally helpful for Ling Qi's cultivation in the nature of conflict. Pretty useful, even.
But to assuage the Pines's concerns? Not at all.

Anything we learn from either option is going to be a lie. Well, lie is not the word as the soldiers will genuinely think they are telling the truth. But it will be wrong to some greater or lower extent.

In any case, what cultivation insights can Ling Qi gleam from third realm guards?
"One should conquer their enemy and make their strength their own"?
"Competition and strive are what push us to improve ourselves"?
"The path one carves for themselves may be harder that the well-trodden one, but it's more worthwhile"?

Interesting. But why would the Pines care? The Pines will be concerned about the similarities of their cultivation with the Flower Demon they fought in the past.
If Ling Qi tries to relay Ji Rong's explanation that they are trying to strip the Goddess bare instead of having made a pact with her, I can only see it falling flat. Why would Dzintara trust Ling Qi's assessment of such differences in perspective about a province's cultivation it's not her own and she barely knows anything about?
It would be another matter if Dzintara trusted Ling Qi, but she doesnt. The Pines's doubt and apprehension about the Western Territories will remain the same

And more importantly. The mentality and cultivation of all the soldiers have been shaped by pre-adoption circumstances. So the argument that understanding how they think will allow us to gleam the Western Territories's motives and objectives is false. The shift in paradigm is too massive. The change in the Western Territories's behaviour attest to that.
That's not to mention how little relation can be between the grand schemes of the higher ups and the thoughts and view of the soldiers. Anticipating or infering the West's goals by exploring the philosophy of the common rank's arts is a fool's errand.
 
[X] Dig into the philosophy of their arts more, in relation to the Red Goddess. Not the secrets which would never be shared, but their outward purpose. If she could articulate that well and truthfully it might settle the Twisted Pine's nerves.
 
[X] Dig into the philosophy of their arts more, in relation to the Red Goddess. Not the secrets which would never be shared, but their outward purpose. If she could articulate that well and truthfully it might settle the Twisted Pine's nerves
 
Doramas said:
I don't see the utility of learning about the Wests philosophy of their arts.
Sure, it can be personally helpful for Ling Qi's cultivation in the nature of conflict. Pretty useful, even.
But to assuage the Pines's concerns? Not at all.

Anything we learn from either option is going to be a lie. Well, lie is not the word as the soldiers will genuinely think they are telling the truth. But it will be wrong to some greater or lower extent.

In any case, what cultivation insights can Ling Qi gleam from third realm guards?
"One should conquer their enemy and make their strength their own"?
"Competition and strive are what push us to improve ourselves"?
"The path one carves for themselves may be harder that the well-trodden one, but it's more worthwhile"?

Interesting. But why would the Pines care? The Pines will be concerned about the similarities of their cultivation with the Flower Demon they fought in the past.
If Ling Qi tries to relay Ji Rong's explanation that they are trying to strip the Goddess bare instead of having made a pact with her, I can only see it falling flat. Why would Dzintara trust Ling Qi's assessment of such differences in perspective about a province's cultivation it's not her own and she barely knows anything about?
It would be another matter if Dzintara trusted Ling Qi, but she doesnt. The Pines's doubt and apprehension about the Western Territories will remain the same

And more importantly. The mentality and cultivation of all the soldiers have been shaped by pre-adoption circumstances. So the argument that understanding how they think will allow us to gleam the Western Territories's motives and objectives is false. The shift in paradigm is too massive. The change in the Western Territories's behaviour attest to that.
That's not to mention how little relation can be between the grand schemes of the higher ups and the thoughts and view of the soldiers. Anticipating or infering the West's goals by exploring the philosophy of the common rank's arts is a fool's errand.
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Firstly, it's the option that explicitly says it helps assuage Dzintara's concerns. If we're able to explain their worldviews and how they see the Jungle, then we help convince her that the WT aren't the Jungle.


There's a higher degree of certainty with option 1, IMO. The things we learn from option 1 won't be cultivation secrets, but they actually be the philosophies of the art because well, you can't fake that since you're internalising the art's lessons. For the second one though, we're sure that what we learn will be lies from the higher ups.

I don't think this is a fair argument about the Pines not caring too, because we obviously won't look at the arts' philosophies in isolation too.

(But if we did, insights tell a lot, so meh. Stagnation is death explains a lot about Xia Ren. Even more when you take in more info, but nvm that).

And Dzintara would trust LQ's assessment because she's an emissary. If she doesn't trust us, then she won't trust us for both options.

Remember, option 1 is to calm the White Sky's concerns with the Jungle, ehile option 2 is for negotiations, when we've already done them!
 
[X] Use interrogations of the Jungle Goddess to seek after what the Western Territories feels like they are aiming for. Try to grasp what it is they want to build on the corpse of a slain god. Having the Sun's aim in mind can only help negotiations.

What does interrogations of the Jungle Goddess mean here? The second sentence kind of implies that Ling Qi and the general public thinks she's dead. Or is the slain god the Sage/Priestess?
 
[X] Dig into the philosophy of their arts more, in relation to the Red Goddess. Not the secrets which would never be shared, but their outward purpose. If she could articulate that well and truthfully it might settle the Twisted Pine's nerves
 
[X] Dig into the philosophy of their arts more, in relation to the Red Goddess. Not the secrets which would never be shared, but their outward purpose. If she could articulate that well and truthfully it might settle the Twisted Pine's nerves
 
toolittletoolate said:
[X] Use interrogations of the Jungle Goddess to seek after what the Western Territories feels like they are aiming for. Try to grasp what it is they want to build on the corpse of a slain god. Having the Sun's aim in mind can only help negotiations.

What does interrogations of the Jungle Goddess mean here? The second sentence kind of implies that Ling Qi and the general public thinks she's dead. Or is the slain god the Sage/Priestess?
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Asking the soldiers about the Sunflower Goddess to see what the Western territories aim to do
 
I think learning about the Western Territories' arts is the best call. Firstly, it works best with Primacy of Beasts. Learning about the song of nature, of tooth and claw, while discussing about the philosophy of the Jungle arts based on the Sunflower Goddess, the Life GS of bloody evolution can lead to very interesting things.

Plus, Ling Qi just asserted that conflict is inherent in life, but shouldn't be the purpose. Hearing about arts of soldiers of Sun "Sovereign of Conflict" Shao's army can help answer the question about what brings people to war too.

Secondly, learning about the Western Territories' soldiers behaviour would make it easy to predict their behaviour knowing that the goals are lies. It'll be less difficult to infer their goals from their thought processes. Understanding your opponents is 90% of the battle, and knowing how they think helps more; wants are easy to change; worldviews and thought processes, less so.

Lastly, it's the option that explicitly calms the Tangled Pines' concerns, and we'll need that for the summit.

[X] Dig into the philosophy of their arts more, in relation to the Red Goddess. Not the secrets which would never be shared, but their outward purpose. If she could articulate that well and truthfully it might settle the Twisted Pine's nerves
 
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Super close so far
Adhoc vote count started by CedeTheBees on May 18, 2023 at 12:29 PM, finished with 118 posts and 66 votes.
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[X] Dig into the philosophy of their arts more, in relation to the Red Goddess. Not the secrets which would never be shared, but their outward purpose. If she could articulate that well and truthfully it might settle the Twisted Pine's nerves
 
Adhoc vote count started by Killer_Whale on May 18, 2023 at 12:38 PM, finished with 122 posts and 67 votes.
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