Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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Linqin cannot be 100% of Shenhua's impulse control. Having a Way doesn't really work like that. One cannot just stop being something, and a White is specifically someone more of their Way than person.

Sure, Linqing is our hard timelimit on when shit goes down, but whose to say there aren't other smaller stages to Shenhua's brand of Revolution. Especially since there are many ways to negatively attract Imperial attention without outright going full REVOLUTION.
We know that Shenhua's cultivation is really weird, with her unclear connection to the stars, the ludicrous speed of her ascension, and her ability to feel things like love which explicitly fall outside of her purview.

We know from Liming's existence and her unique connection with CRX that Shenhua is skilled at interweaving different souls.

And now we know that Shenhua's liminal location is dead in the center of a mostly purified Palace of One, which was apparently supposed to be the Great Spirit of weaving disparate dreams together into a single greater whole.

I understand that it's not how Whites and Ways generally work, but Shenhua is explicitly exceptional, and given what we've seen of her and her exceptions I really do think that Shenhua outright delegated her impulse control to her wife in order to speed her ascension as an unstoppable juggernaut of light without burning everyone around her.


...In fact, continuing the trend of superficial similarities between Shenhua's generation and ours, Ling Qi herself is delegating the ability to care about large numbers of people to the smaller group of family she can get personally invested in. That's essentially how she resolved her Heart Demon, after all. The deeper mechanical details of the delegation are probably much different, but the basic strategy? Fascinatingly similar.
 
So, speculation time!

You know how Shu Yue said that we weren't ready for what lurked in the liminal around Xiangmen's roots? I've got a feeling it has something to do with the rot and sickness that Ling Qi can see. Whatever the Hui did over generations among the roots caused a sickness and rot to pluck at the Palace of One spirit, and whatever is left down there is still generating that sickness.

However, I also have a feeling that the sickness and fear down in the roots got substantially worse when Shenhua took the throne and sought to eliminate the remaining Hui. Given how they were artisans of the liminal I find it likely that escaping Hui would try to escape through the Liminal, possibly trying to escape through the roots of Xiangmen. And then they were caught, and then they were killed. Depending on the number that were caught and killed in the liminal down there, and how hard they struggled to avoid that fate, I could see things getting messy very fast down there. Very quickly.

So what Ling Qi is seeing might not just be centuries of whatever the Hui did with their rule of Xiangmen, but also the remains of their death throes.
 
So, speculation time!

You know how Shu Yue said that we weren't ready for what lurked in the liminal around Xiangmen's roots? I've got a feeling it has something to do with the rot and sickness that Ling Qi can see. Whatever the Hui did over generations among the roots caused a sickness and rot to pluck at the Palace of One spirit, and whatever is left down there is still generating that sickness.

However, I also have a feeling that the sickness and fear down in the roots got substantially worse when Shenhua took the throne and sought to eliminate the remaining Hui. Given how they were artisans of the liminal I find it likely that escaping Hui would try to escape through the Liminal, possibly trying to escape through the roots of Xiangmen. And then they were caught, and then they were killed. Depending on the number that were caught and killed in the liminal down there, and how hard they struggled to avoid that fate, I could see things getting messy very fast down there. Very quickly.

So what Ling Qi is seeing might not just be centuries of whatever the Hui did with their rule of Xiangmen, but also the remains of their death throes.

Maybe it's the location of the now destroyed Hui nightmare torture center or some other particularly shady enterprise. Shu Yue herself was kept somewhere very unpleasant for a while so I'd like to think she's speaking from personal experience. Shenhua likely cleared out any such institutions, but maybe echoes are left in the liminal?
 
Since we are Going to an Auction, and seems we are picking things for Land development, here is about our Land.
River and Cave Region

Agriculture,
-Taken care of.. (weng builders, meng geomancer, Zengui)
Agriculture represents the regions habitability to mortals and average cultivators as well as its potential output for plant and beast based goods.
Veins of the Earth:

-Heat lives in the frozen earth here, bubbling to the surface in pools and springs, and gathering in the hearts of the mountains. Enables agriculture in otherwise inhospitable locations and enables certain building options.
-Cultivation
-???

Main Starting Town:
-several sites for settlement and promising resource loads on the river. The great waterfall and the lake at its base will serve as the primary settlement, as the region is both safe and fertile.

Wierd seeds that we have in the inventory since forever (Rotting Pod)
A hard, leathery pod, snatched from something growing beneath the darkness, shaking it reveals the sound of sound of seeds within. It smells faintly of rot though.
Lord Xia's Soil Studies

"..I (Lord Xia) may offer some small studies I and my apprentices have done on soil and fertilization."

Trade, -Maybe some trade agreements? (the Old Road/New Road Quest (Central Valley), geomancer/Ling Qi/Zengui for the river)
Trade is the ease of transporting goods through the region
the Old Road/New Road (Central Valley)
River Snow Blossom (easy way to Weng territory?)


Minerals, -Nothing special found, maybe some trade agreement to compensate?
Minerals represent the wealth in valuable stones and metals potentially available in the region as well as the related spirits.
Pill furnace that we stole, then lent to Gan Guangli in the outer sect.

Exotic Materials, -Needs more investigation
Exotic Materials are the strange and fanciful reagents that might be available, and also includes likelihood of spirit stone deposits.
Cathedral of Winds Discovered:
-Cultivation +???, Materials?
Exotic Deposit Found-Shining Air
Saline Grotto:

Cultivation +
???

Danger - hire protection? (guards?, powerfull cultivator inhabitant?), hunting mission with someone strong?,
Danger is the presence of potentially hostile and powerful entities in the region
Thunderclap Mountain:
-A peak shrouded in perpetual storm where the shadowed forms of dragon horses have been spied.
"..a few more places where she (LinG Qi) had seen something particularly large and mobile."
-???
Abyssal Ossuary Revealed (passage bellow to the shishigui land/world)
???
Thunderhoof Reserve: Region locked
-"..Four legged and broad like a long legged ox, with wide bowl-like antlers that stretched across the sky, and a broad and ill tempered face, the shaggy grey and brown beast shook itself, casting off masses of ice and snow the size of small houses.
Fourth realm, and from Ling Qi's very brief interaction, utterly disinterested in negotiation. Thankfully, also disinterested in pursuit."

???
 
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Nothing special found, maybe some trade agreement to compensate?
I believe we still have more scouting to do to fully uncover everything the fief has to offer, so there very may well be some fancy spirit stone mine or something we can find. I don't remember exactly what the mineral rating for the place we picked was. I think it was moderately high since we picked the high danger area though, so there's probably *something* to find.
 
I think it was moderately high since we picked the high danger area though, so there's probably *something* to find.
I didnt include the rating because it was suppose to be just for the initial draw. But...
very high (5)
low(1)
Agriculture average(2)
Trade medium(3)
Minerals average (2)
Exotic materials high(4)
Danger high(4)
 
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The issue with the final Hui is that at some point someone decided that the only thing that truly binds humans together is fear and nightmare. And, as abuse leads to abuse, this eventually led to the Lord of Nightmares that we saw in the sidestory dedicated to Shenhua's challenge of the Hui. Their descent from the Palace of One into the Lord of Nightmares was ultimately caused by human, mortal frailties; there is a human, mortal story in them that I think a lot of the meme-y hatred they're getting is ignoring.
 
Since we are Going to an Auction, and seems we are picking things for Land development, here is about our Land.
River and Cave Region


Well. I think we mostly need manpower. Like river barge/lake shipwrights. And to decide on what we're actually going to do with our fief and stuff.

Already from the Meng we have a very sizable bit of money that will be very good in setting up the less specialized places in the fief. Like the main town, which I can only assume will be CRX' seat eventually. Non-predatory loans to her and GG (probably just GG who I can only assume is going to need an injection of cash) or 'tax' to CRX will fund a lot of the initial building. We definitely should have input.

The following is kinda big so spoiler boxes are used.

I'm hoping we can squeeze two projects out of the Veins of the Earth. A onsen/bath for general use, and for cultivation, plus Zhengui wandering around and dickering with the Veins to keep them from popping in an unfortunate manner and spread their warmth for more fields/orchards.

I strongly suggest we lean into silvo-pasture and logging(We are trading wood for metal with the Ice Clans right?) in the less warm areas. We will live in a taiga? Larch is a pretty great wood, that I think is a very hard soft wood or an outright hardwood. Spruce is a better artisan wood, ie instrument making and some ship building, and is very soft. Pine, in general, is a great in between wood, suitable for construction.

Artisan wood crafting is usually pretty well accepted across a wide variety of luxury markets. If we can cultivate spirit trees/wood we have even more options, even if it's low end. A constant supply of red and yellow stones from red-yellow instruments would be a great source of income.

Trees are also best to put on inclines if you were farming, and we're in a very elevation change heavy area. Though terracing is also a definite option.

The warm earth also makes green houses very, very viable meaning we can really expand on our foodstuffs for upfront cash. It also makes silkworm raising viable if we can get white mulberry to work. Given Zhengui and some cultivator shenanigans to make cold resistant mulberry we definitely could.

Further, what ever happened to the spiders? We can use them if they're still in the region for silk can't we?

The rotting pod, I think the general consensus was put it in the Saline Grotto.

This will be taken care of pretty quickly, I expect. Between Ling Qi working with spirits, and meng(eventually Ling) geomancy, the river and lake will be pretty well tamed.

We might have to work out a jetty and elevator system for the transition from the southern areas to the lake. That's the waterfall the river is named for, so it'll have significance I bet.

That should be most fine for fief internal trade for a good chunk of time. Until we spread out, most of the trade will be small internally.

Mastering the northern parts of the river will lead down (and up from) into the Valley, if I've read everything correctly. But I don't recall anything about the plateau. If we have easier access to the plateau than the Valley, we can take advantage and we should hurry up on a road to the plateau, we can sell them agricultural foodstuffs for minerals, delaying our need to put in our own mines or for more valuable minerals that we simply don't have.

We are getting a road to the Sect/Wang Lands as well. So low end red-yellow-green goods to the Sect is pretty ++. Since newbies are going to be breaking things all the time, great market.

Honestly, the clearing of the Old/Road New Road would be pretty nice if we can score it. Like 'you're gonna fight about it, and it was Renren's retainer that did something, so it's Cai lands now with Southern Emerald Seas Ling Clan getting a portion of the tolls.' That's probably the best personal outcome. It's wicked far away for any real impact on direct trading unless it opens up better trade with the... Diao? Since the Meng are on the close side(?), it's less impactful with them for trade.

I had to step away here, apologies for the delay.

Minerals should be pretty decent. Especially if like agriculture this includes low end and kinda common spiritual minerals. The Saline Grotto might mean salt, and salt is always in demand. Spirit Salt would likely be ++ good. This is Xianxia, someone somewhere is a cultivating cultivator chef.

Exotic Materials really needs some exploring. Thunderhoof horns/velvet might be medically potent for all we know. And I totally expect that the Saline Grotto's direct salt water and mushrooms to be fairly potent materials. Then whatever the aerogel stuff we got in the cathedral.

And the Dangers are dangers and we will get to them. Probably the Abyssal Ossuary, which might have some sort of goodies, making the Cathedral even better, first because we've promised. Thunderhoof and Dragonhorses are more area denial than active threats. Well, the Dragonhorses might end up having a problem with us because of how aggressive they are, but Qilin are known quantities and we know someone who knows someone who can deal with them. But all the dangers we've encountered so far barring threat of invasion from Cloud Tribes, they're all pretty well situated.
 
Exotic Materials really needs some exploring. Thunderhoof horns/velvet might be medically potent for all we know.
A quick internet search implies that velvet (usualy deer) is sometimes used in traditional Chinese medicine for yang deficiencies. Su Ling's mom already noted that we are very ying focused to the point that it could be a problem in the future. Adding Yang elements this late in the third realm isn't the best fix but if our new home has materials that can help with that then we have a source of Yang energy before we start stealing it from others.

With moose velvet in particular it's noted that once it's shed a lot of animals will eat the discarded velvet for nutrients as it's relatively high in protein. Sometimes moose will even eat the discarded velvet of other moose as it contains a lot of the necessary nutrients needed for growing new antlers. As unlikely as Ling Qi growing a pair of antlers is (despite how much I want it) the velvet could help.
 
Agriculture average(2)
Trade medium(3)
Average and medium mean the same thing.

Uummm... Two points, right? Average (2) VS High (4)

Very Low = 0
Low = 1
Avarage = 2
Medium = 3
High = 4
Very high = 5
Very low, low, average, high, very high. 3 vs 4. One difference.
Medium and average are literally synonyms, they mean the same thing.
Honestly, I'm pretty sure that most native speakers didn't even notice that there was 'Average' and 'Medium' on the scale, since they'd just blend together and be used interchangeably. I definitely didn't notice that they were both used.
It was a whole thing.
 
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How hard is it to get information on Qilin that would help us find ways to work with/around Thunderclap mountain?
Anything we can try before we eventually "git gud"?
 
How hard is it to get information on Qilin that would help us find ways to work with/around Thunderclap mountain?
Anything we can try before we eventually "git gud"?
They uhh... apparently like fresh fruit. At least that was Cai Renxiang's order to the survey crews in the area, carry fresh fruit with them so that they don't get murdered instantly by the qilin.
 
Turn 14: Arc 4-10
Xia Lin's dress was very pretty, but unfortunately, she wore it with the same air as a cat stuffed into a costume. Ling Qi felt for the other girl, and was very glad that her own gown was also her armor.

"It's good to see you again," Ling Qi offered, walking with her from the entrance of the auction houses yard.

The Golden Orchid was a sprawling building some three stories tall, filling a whole block in the trunkward part of the city. It was surrounded by a beautiful garden and the front of the building was taken up by a roofed porch that was otherwise open to the air, leaving a comfortable space for guests to wait and talk before the actual auction took place, behind the ostentatious central building were the warehouses for the goods that would be auctioned, whose potent security formations Ling Qi could sense from here.

Although the ones she could sense so clearly were probably there to distract, and show off, with other more subtle defenses beneath really. It was what she would do.

"Yes, I do not think Xiangmen agrees with me," Xia Lin said, looking harried.

"It's a little overwhelming, but I thought you would be more used to it," Ling Qi said, glancing at Xia Lin. "Don't the White Plumes train here?"

"Our training camp and prime staging facilities lie in the outer boroughs, not the city proper. Everything is too packed and chaotic inside," Xia Lin said, smoothing the trailing white and gold sleeves of her dress for the seventh time since Ling Qi had met her at the gate.

"I wonder, if this girl got to unwind, would she leap into the air like an unmoored spring?" Sixiang chuckled.

"There's something to be said for spontaneity. I've enjoyed touring the city, maybe I could show you a few places after the auction?" Ling Qi offered.

"I-" Xia Lin frowned uncertainly as they mounted the steps of the porch, giving her an odd, measuring look. "-If you like, Lady Ling."

"Ling Qi please, I think we're past that," she said dryly.

"I suppose that kind of distance is inappropriate, after smiting a corpse immortal together," Xia Lin said absently, turning an assessing gaze over the other guests. She looked like she was assessing danger in the wilderness instead of measuring a gala full of civilians even now.

"It is," Ling Qi said, nodding wisely as they moved through the loose crowd of attendees. Since they were the the one's selling on the days first lot of auction items, they were invited within to check everything and observe from a raised box for the duration. The man at the door bowed and let them pass.

"Are you intending to participate in the other auctions of the day?" Xia Lin asked.

"I may," Ling Qi said. "Though I'm not certain what I would be looking for."

"I am similar. I have little need for externally supplied equipment," Xia Lin said. "...But I suppose if I am accompanying you and Lady Cai after this, I will need some kind of household?"

"Well I hope the White Plumes will let you stay in their barracks awhile longer. It will be some time before there's anything but temporary construction," Ling Qi said. "Still it will be good to have you, There are quite a few dangerous places in the land Lady Cai has claimed?"

"Oh? Tell me more," Xia Lin said, turning a curious eye to her.

They spent some time chatting about the discoveries made as they entered the back area of the auction house, guided by guards and attendants to make a final review of their lot. While Ling Qi trusted the appraisers Cai Renxiang had hired about the starting prices, it made her feel better to see that everything she had cataloged with Meng Dan was there.

With the inspection complete they were free to rejoin the other attendees now trickling in.

"You've been here longer, what can you tell me about who is planning to attend?" Ling Qi asked absently as they exited the storage areas, strolling along the richly paneled hall.

"Why would you ask me about such things?" Xia Lin asked, raising an eyebrow.

"Because you won't go into a battlefield without reconnaissance," Ling Qi said.

Xia Lin wrinkled her nose irritably. "This is not my favored terrain."

"I'm sure you didn't let that stop you."

"...The court clans of Xiangmen are out in force. I have been dodging luncheons and other fripperies since I arrived," Xia Lin finally said, looking sour. "But the remaining ones have been scrabbling for importance since the Duchess reorganized Xiangmen."

"What exactly do the court clans do, and how do they work anyway?" Ling Qi asked. "I've not found the time to ask Lady Cai, and I feel like this is another of those things everyone is simply expected to know, and forgets that a common girl from a little city does not."

Xia Lin shot her a curious look. "Lately, little enough. Court clans occur mostly in Xiangmen, the Imperial City, and the Peaks, and to some degree in the Alabaster Sands, where there is enough wealth in cities to support a clan even if they own little land, and the ruling dukes are not numerous enough to fill those roles themselves."

"I understand that part well enough," Ling Qi said. "But what do they do?"

Xia Lin pursed her lips. "Mercantile and bureaucratic work mostly. They staff the ministries, move goods and such. In Xiangmen it used to be that each Provincial Ministry and such things as the Xiangmen guard were the fiefdoms of individual clans in function. The Duchess eliminated this practice, and now those that remain jockey for new ways of making wealth."

Ling Qi gave a sidelong look to Xia Lin. "Eliminated huh?"

"The Dai, who once made up over seventy percent of Xiangmen's guard officers, no longer exist as a legal entity, though the few adults found innocent of any crimes were absorbed into other clans or positions. There is a Dai among the White Plumes," Xia Lin acknowledged. "Three others suffered the same, several others were badly mauled but remain extant, but stripped of their special privileges. Those who remain are… a strange mix of caution and ambition."

Ling Qi hummed, she'd look into it more closely on her own at some point. "Where would you place the court clans against more normal clans in influence?"

Xia Lin considered that carefully as they approached the end of the hall. "Comparable to viscounts, for the most part? It is hard to say, their methods and bases of power are too different.

Passing through the doorway, they entered the waiting room together, where the attendees were beginning to gather. "Well enough on that for now, other important attendees?" Ling Qi said lowly, activating her own screening techniques to keep their conversation private.

"As you would expect, the Meng and Luo are the most interested, the Bao have a representative as do the Diao, neither the Wang nor the Jia have any open attendees," Xia Lin said quietly, scanning the room alertly.

"Hm, I have my own channels for meeting the Meng" Ling Qi said thoughtfully.

"Yes, Meng Dan does seem fond of you," Xia Lin agreed.

"I've had some success negotiating with his grandmother too. I don't feel that position needs shored up," Ling Qi agreed. While she didn't have any great rapport with the Meng clan as a whole she had her foothold and she didn't think she could expand that further here. "I do have some contact with the Luo, but it's much more neutral."

"It may not be a poor idea to establish more contacts in the capital," Xia Lin offered. "A great deal happens in Xiangmen, and I know the Duchess is loathe to give Lady Cai unearned resources."
"It isn't a bad idea. The nascent network she was working on did have contacts in Xiangmen maybe…

"Yeah, there's a lady from on of the court clans on your mailing list, ah I think I saw her in the sign in book too. You want me to look for her?"

Ling Qi nodded. Glancing to Xia Lin, she smiled. "Sorry agreeing with something my spirit said."

"I noticed the signs, sadly this is even less my halberd's venue than it is mine," Xia Lin said.

"Anyway, any out of province guests of note that you've noticed?" Ling Qi said.

"A number of nobles from the southern Celestial Peaks are present, the Luo are hosting some Golden Fields emissaries," Xia Lin said crisply. "I believe there is a diplomat from the Western Territories as well, and I heard rumor about a Zheng wandering around the district."

"Really?" Ling Qi asked.

"It's only a rumor," Xia Lin said, shrugging uncomfortably, looking back at her expectantly.

Ling Qi blinked slowly as she came to realize something. Xia Lin was looking to her for marching orders. In this pairing, she was the more expert at social business.

Stop laughing, Sixiang, she thought sourly.

What was the best approach here?

[ ] Your eyes in the city itself are still woefully undeveloped, find your new 'friend' among the Court clans to have a conversation and perhaps receive a few more introductions. It can't hurt to build up an important contact more.

[ ] It's important to keep up with the biggest players. Make your way to the Luo attendee and chat a bit about history and current events, perhaps speaking to the Golden Fields as well about their own problems in the south.

[ ] You are in the rare position of being the center of this whole gathering, being the sellers of this auctions lots, perhaps it is better to only lightly mingle and instead see who comes to you. It may be more revealing than making advances yourself
 
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Hmmm...

I'm kind of leaning towards either the court contact or just seeing who's interested in us.

Honestly not really vibing with Luo, and I feel like GF stuff would be a distraction. And we already have GF friends if we want to hear about them anyway.
 
[X] Your eyes in the city itself are still woefully undeveloped, find your new 'friend' among the Court clans to have a conversation and perhaps receive a few more introductions. It can't hurt to build up an important contact more.

This or the 3rd one, but I feel like that one it's too.... passive(?)
 
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