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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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flazeo25 said:
We can probally need to train a aide aswell, but that require more intense investment since they need to keep up.
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I feel it's very likely LQ will choose an already somewhat trained aide in the future. I don't think LQ is actually knowledgeable enough yet to train her own aide AND it seems like many aides come from subordinate clans which LQ obviously doesn't have yet. We may be able to use whats-her-name that offered to join our clan as the head of a subordinate clan in the future. I'd say LQ's heir will be the first to have an aide trained for them if not THEIR heir depending on how things go.
 
All their conversations ending in a coma instead of a period is weird.

Also yeah, I like this lady. Attempting to join the army and immediately getting kicked out, having worked at their old profession for long enough to be moved to admin, and then defering the chance at being a red cultivator for her grand daughter. I hope she continues to steer Quingye in the near future, because she looks like someone with a level head despite all these massive changes caused by their change in positions.
 
Kind of want Min Hua's granddaughter to become a character in her own right now. I wonder if she's the young woman Ling Qi meet all the way back in Turn 4. When we found our fief there'll be a need for characters Ling Qi can interact with and she could pretty easily represent the Tonghou group, the general population, and if her talent is as they say perhaps be among the first people who Ling Qi'll teach her own Arts. There'll be a second wave of people coming into the Ling's service but we can't underestimate the connection Ling Qi has to this first group, she shares Ling Qi's past and is connected to the Ling rather than someone that could just as easily have ended up in any other settlement and she's young enough it'd be easy to make it feel like she represents our fief's development. If she and Min Hua continues to be the parts of our household we interact with and she reaches Red and then Yellow within a few years she's basically set as the loyal servant.
 
ImperatorV said:
A noble clan's need for first realm servants and soldiers is, in fact, something we have completely overlooked. Good thing Qingge is getting a start on that.
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Not entirely overlooked. I've got a post that touched on the art burden of training people, but it mostly focused on military and utterly collapsed once I tried to expand from a small guard force of reds maybe lead by a yellow, into an group of levied reds supporting/supported by units of mid/late yellows, as the art burden more than tripled (it went from 5 to ~30 based on what I felt were conservative assumptions for a military unit with specialized roles). But yeah noone's really been talking about the kind of support Ling Qi's clan will need in even the near future.
 
One interesting thing that the new system has opened up is arts that teach skills instead of techs. Very likely to be more efficient and more useful for servant clans to learn skills than techs that take up precious qi they may or may not have.
 
PrimalShadow said:
Spirit Stones are currency in this setting. If the He clan can't use GSS, they can trade those for YSS or RSS; then having little direct use for GSS explains nothing.
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Spirit Stones have regulated exchange rates and acquiring any soul stones requires either trading up for a them, being handed them, or owning a mine capable of producing them. It's likely the He were paid in YSSs and traded out what wasn't necessary for maintaining the clan's standing out for the silver to cover the mundane costs of their own clan and responsibilities.

A GSS is an almost indescribable amount of mortal wealth and nothing to sneeze at from even a Cultivator's point of view. A subservient clan that you don't particularly need to become much stronger doesn't need to be given any at all, and they are certainly not going to be earning enough to afford to by one for themselves.
 
Pathos said:
Spirit Stones have regulated exchange rates and acquiring any soul stones requires either trading up for a them, being handed them, or owning a mine capable of producing them. It's likely the He were paid in YSSs and traded out what wasn't necessary for maintaining the clan's standing out for the silver to cover the mundane costs of their own clan and responsibilities.
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That may very well be true, but has little bearing on the He clan's total income regardless. The point of interest here is how much they are being paid, not the denomination they are being paid in. That is why I think the previous poster's point about the He clan being unable to directly use GSS is hardly relevant.
 
Iirc, GSS is also the highest reasonably exchangable for silver spirit stone, with the higher ones only being traded for other stones.
 
PrimalShadow said:
That may very well be true, but has little bearing on the He clan's total income regardless. The point of interest here is how much they are being paid, not the denomination they are being paid in. That is why I think the previous poster's point about the He clan being unable to directly use GSS is hardly relevant.
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The more specific part of my post was that GSS are an incredibly large expenditure that due to their inability to make direct use of them they are unlikely to be given by a higher up and as such are unlikely to realistically have an annual income higher than one and change GSSs, since that supplies a Yellow Cultivator with plenty of resource individually as well as the necessary components to elevate other cultivators to Red Soul and with some careful selection based on Art compatibility to Yellow Soul.
 
I really like the idea of our mom leading the children of her friends through basically Tai chi and meditations until they awaken- I can picture her in the garden with five or six younger women and our little sister watching.

Plus it's likely to help our moms cultivation- the best way to learn is to teach, after all.
 
TimEd said:
All their conversations ending in a coma instead of a period is weird.
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Unfortunately, this is a problem with no good solution. Let's give an example.

> "Hm, I'm sure he did, Lady Ling's reputation is quite fearsome," the older woman chuffed.

> "Hm, I'm sure he did, Lady Ling's reputation is quite fearsome." The older woman chuffed.

Option 1 is technically the correct grammar, because 'The older woman chuffed.' is often enough a sentence fragment, when read like that. On the other hand, yes, ending dialogue sentences in commas feels strange.
 
Neshuakadal said:
One interesting thing that the new system has opened up is arts that teach skills instead of techs. Very likely to be more efficient and more useful for servant clans to learn skills than techs that take up precious qi they may or may not have.
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Interestingly, Qi is the thing they have the most of. In the old system it was the one thing you didn't need spirit stones to cultivate, so any cultivator with a strict budget would spend any time they didn't have the money to cultivate properly on that. The limiting factor for minor talents is supposed to be opening meridians.
 
Saidoro said:
Interestingly, Qi is the thing they have the most of. In the old system it was the one thing you didn't need spirit stones to cultivate, so any cultivator with a strict budget would spend any time they didn't have the money to cultivate properly on that. The limiting factor for minor talents is supposed to be opening meridians.
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My assumption is that once a servant reaches a certain level the time they have to cultivate reaches zero. After all the don't need to get any stronger to do their job, and time spent cultivating is not time spent serving. So the wouldn't have any mandated cultivation time. Getting servants to a helpful level of strength would be quicker if one focused on skills instead of techs. That way you remove the need for gathering large amounts of qi. This would be different for soldiers since they need qi to be effective, but for the average servant cultivating qi is likely a waste of time since it won't help them in day to day tasks, if the cultivation is focused on skills instead of techs.

Servants could increase qi during their free time, but they would have other social responsibilities as well. I just don't see common cultivator servants having much qi at all.
 
Pathos said:
The more specific part of my post was that GSS are an incredibly large expenditure that due to their inability to make direct use of them they are unlikely to be given by a higher up and as such are unlikely to realistically have an annual income higher than one and change GSSs, since that supplies a Yellow Cultivator with plenty of resource individually as well as the necessary components to elevate other cultivators to Red Soul and with some careful selection based on Art compatibility to Yellow Soul.
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That is a much fairer point. Yes, a GSS is definitely a lot to mortals or lower-level cultivators.

Keep in mind, however, that this is the expenditure of a CLAN, and the annual one at that. 1 GSS is 500 RSS, which comes out to a little under 10RSS per week. A clan with 10 cultivators would eat that up just providing them each with a measly 1 RSS / week. Just the Patriarch, whose job in a clan as I understand it is largely to cultivate, would eat up an entire GSS per year simply by using a single yellow stone weekly on their cultivation. And we haven't gotten into any other costs, like medicines or equipment or materials or what-have-you.

Admittedly, it is perfectly feasible that for a servant clan, cultivating every week is unheard of, and the cultivators only cultivate one week a month or something like that. Obviously that would let the same resources go a lot further.
 
On a somewhat related note, how much better is a yellow that has been cultivating for several decades and capped there while subordinate to a greater clan than a young yellow who rose to their position quickly? Are they better at all? I'd think the extra time to skill and tech up would be helpful, but the young yellow have greater talents, and possibly(?) more access to more powerful techs.
 
Neshuakadal said:
My assumption is that once a servant reaches a certain level the time they have to cultivate reaches zero. After all the don't need to get any stronger to do their job, and time spent cultivating is not time spent serving. So the wouldn't have any mandated cultivation time. Getting servants to a helpful level of strength would be quicker if one focused on skills instead of techs. That way you remove the need for gathering large amounts of qi. This would be different for soldiers since they need qi to be effective, but for the average servant cultivating qi is likely a waste of time since it won't help them in day to day tasks, if the cultivation is focused on skills instead of techs.

Servants could increase qi during their free time, but they would have other social responsibilities as well. I just don't see common cultivator servants having much qi at all.
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I assume that they are encouraged to cultivate qi simply because it can replace the need for both food and sleep which means you can get more hours out of them.

Or at least being able to go for a week continuously without food or rest looks good on a resume.
PrimalShadow said:
That is a much fairer point. Yes, a GSS is definitely a lot to mortals or lower-level cultivators.



Keep in mind, however, that this is the expenditure of a CLAN, and the annual one at that. 1 GSS is 500 RSS, which comes out to a little under 10RSS per week. A clan with 10 cultivators would eat that up just providing them each with a measly 1 RSS / week. Just the Patriarch, whose job in a clan as I understand it is largely to cultivate, would eat up an entire GSS per year simply by using a single yellow stone weekly on their cultivation. And we haven't gotten into any other costs, like medicines or equipment or materials or what-have-you.



Admittedly, it is perfectly feasible that for a servant clan, cultivating every week is unheard of, and the cultivators only cultivate one week a month or something like that. Obviously that would let the same resources go a lot further.
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Talent does tend to be squared when it comes to cultivation speed. Because resources are more effective on you and for that reason people are more willing to spend resources on you. So if there is no expectation that someone will hit green then you are limited to only the cultivation resources that you can buy with services. Which I don't think allows for a full cultivation schedule both because you are too busy making money and you can't afford it.



The Patriarch idea might only apply for much higher level clans. We are unlikely to be able to follow it after all.
 
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Are we going to try to make all our mom's friends and their families cultivators?

Hell yeah, they're precious to Qi Mom so we ought to give everyone under our care a shot at immortality. We're rich enough for it!
 
A yellow 13 year old can likely make far more money for the same work then a 50 year old yellow. Because the 13 year old is an investment that is worth spending a bit extra on for future good relationship. The 50 year is just an exchange with no future expections.
 
Could someone put up the exchange rates for Spirit Stones please?

I know one Red (RSS) is worth 100 silver (Emerald Seas exchange, may be local or ducal variance) but what is the Red to Yellow, or Yellow to Green rate? Do we have a rough estimate for the value of higher stones? I know they are rare enough to not have a fixed rate, but a general ballpark would be nice.
 
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