Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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Something this forgets is that Shenhua outright intervening in the affairs of CRX's retainer would be a massive victory for anyone trying to slow CRX influence within serious politics. Because even if they're caught the high nobility can largely tank the consequences even for somebody as mighty as Shenhua.
The issue with this is that the conspirator messed with Ministry of Communications mail. We tend to forget nowadays thanks to telephones and the internet, but for most of human history the mail was a deadly serious business. IIRC in ancient china the penalty for tampering with the mail was execution.

So the conspirator decided to call the impartiality of an important Imperial institution into question, commit a major offense in the form of mail tampering, in order to commit a relatively major act of sabotage in the form of making a river spirit flood. While Shenhua might not vaporize them directly, she needs to make sure that her institutions do, as part of her whole 'we are past the bad old days of the Hui, and into an era of virtuous rule' thing.
 
[X] You may not like the priestess much, but she is not wrong here. Working within the Ministries bounds is important (Begin Laws Long Hand Political Quest)
 
[X] You may not like the priestess much, but she is not wrong here. Working within the Ministries bounds is important (Begin Laws Long Hand Political Quest)
I really want to do the Idol Days quest, but this seems like the smarter option.
 
The issue with this is that the conspirator messed with Ministry of Communications mail. We tend to forget nowadays thanks to telephones and the internet, but for most of human history the mail was a deadly serious business. IIRC in ancient china the penalty for tampering with the mail was execution.

So the conspirator decided to call the impartiality of an important Imperial institution into question, commit a major offense in the form of mail tampering, in order to commit a relatively major act of sabotage in the form of making a river spirit flood. While Shenhua might not vaporize them directly, she needs to make sure that her institutions do, as part of her whole 'we are past the bad old days of the Hui, and into an era of virtuous rule' thing.
Yeah. It's important to remember that this was a pretty serious shot someone just took against us. This isn't the minor intrigue of the Sect anymore, someone just tried to harm our rep by endangering an entire valley full of mortals.
 
"Begin as you mean to go on."

We intend to serve and enforce the law in the future, so we should lay the foundation for respecting it now.

Everything is practice.

[X] You may not like the priestess much, but she is not wrong here. Working within the Ministries bounds is important (Begin Laws Long Hand Political Quest)
 
[X] You may not like the priestess much, but she is not wrong here. Working within the Ministries bounds is important (Begin Laws Long Hand Political Quest)
 
[X] You will naturally cooperate with the Ministry of law and any others, but you cannot just leave this matter be (Begin Idol Days Political Quest)
 
Chao Yanlin narrowed her eyes. "Yes, though we shall see what a river spirit drunk on Darkness might do in the coming year. How did you achieve your negotiations so quickly, baroness?"
If it takes of some of the qualities of the qi it was given, then hopefully the Hug Domain means this will actually improve things.

Hmmmm. They could be desperate, maybe. Perhaps there's been long-term plotting and scheming at play here and part of the plan hinges on the bad winter here, which Hanyi's performance unwittingly ruined. If your options are to watch as your long-term scheme falls apart or to engage in some small, hopefully undetectable crimes, it's not unthinkable to choose the latter.

Of course we have no knowledge of such a plot existing, so it doesn't seem very likely from where I'm standing, but it's an option on the table.
I'm thinking it might be a local plot regarding ownership of the contested road.

[X] You may not like the priestess much, but she is not wrong here. Working within the Ministries bounds is important (Begin Laws Long Hand Political Quest)
 
Uhhh, I think people are having some reading issues or jumping to conclusions on what these options actually are. Both explicitly involve cooperation with the Ministries.

[] You will naturally cooperate with the Ministry of law and any others, but you cannot just leave this matter be (Begin Idol Days Political Quest)
This is just saying that parallel to our cooperation with the ministries, we will be engaging in our own direct investigation. This isn't illegal in any way. This is the standard response of noble clans, basically? Like, it's going to vary depending on the precise matters and power differentials at play, I can see arguments for going either direction if someone is bringing a case against their own lieges, for example.

But those issues aren't super in play for us. There's nothing inherently improper about engaging in our own investigative efforts. Also, importantly, this is exactly the kind of shit we actually want to be good at as part of our character concept? And one there's been thin opportunities to properly expand into the narrative space. This is a golden opportunity and it reminds me of advice we've gotten from moon aunties about stuff we got up to in training wheel dreamscapes. Our choices extend past the immediate. What do we want to be good at?

[] You may not like the priestess much, but she is not wrong here. Working within the Ministries bounds is important (Begin Laws Long Hand Political Quest)
This option is making an overt effort to play nice and quiet from the Ministries' perspectives. Importantly, this likely cedes initiative to the Ministries. We send off a complaint and wait for them to hear back before we can do, well, anything. I don't really like that, especially when we do not understand the boundaries of whatever entity struck out against us. If we had a discrete target already in mind we could complain about, it'd be a different matter. But we're in the dark enough at the moment that I'm not comfortable handing over the initiative on finding out more.

It doesn't seem satisfying on a personal, narrative, or structural level. And being good at filing complaints is, well, important, but it's not really our thing is it? As many of you have pointed out, that's Renxiang's thing. And that's useful to us here, but it's also deeply redundant. I believe we can better make use of synergy between our specialties and Renxiang's specialties by, uh, having different ones. Pursuing the bureaucracy path here is less productive on a personal growth level because it has overlap with our boss's dealio.

We want to be distinct. We can lean on her to give us cover while we get more hands-on involved. That works. If we pick the path that is Renxiang's area of expertise though, there's no room for Ling Qi to shine or develop. Either Renxiang sand-bags to teach us a lesson, which doesn't make sense and badly skews the tone for Ling QI's character growth anyway, or she full-asses it and Ling Qi's involvement is cursory. That doesn't work.

[X] You will naturally cooperate with the Ministry of law and any others, but you cannot just leave this matter be (Begin Idol Days Political Quest)
 
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[X] You may not like the priestess much, but she is not wrong here. Working within the Ministries bounds is important (Begin Laws Long Hand Political Quest)
 
[X] You may not like the priestess much, but she is not wrong here. Working within the Ministries bounds is important (Begin Laws Long Hand Political Quest)
 
[X] You will naturally cooperate with the Ministry of law and any others, but you cannot just leave this matter be (Begin Idol Days Political Quest)
 
[X] You may not like the priestess much, but she is not wrong here. Working within the Ministries bounds is important (Begin Laws Long Hand Political Quest)

I actually want this one for personal development. It will do Ling Qi some good to have experience working with the Ministries.
 
So I think we need to make a difference between ice spirit, and ice spirit. It could very well be that Zeqing was the strongest ice spirit in the northern wall and the ice spirits she visited were born after the great retreat. So Zeqing could have been visiting green level spirits occasionally just to see if anyone she knew from before the great retreat was popping up again.
That is a reasonable alternative, and it is possible the entire purpose was to get treats for Hanyi in those visits.
The issue with this is that the conspirator messed with Ministry of Communications mail. We tend to forget nowadays thanks to telephones and the internet, but for most of human history the mail was a deadly serious business. IIRC in ancient china the penalty for tampering with the mail was execution.

So the conspirator decided to call the impartiality of an important Imperial institution into question, commit a major offense in the form of mail tampering, in order to commit a relatively major act of sabotage in the form of making a river spirit flood. While Shenhua might not vaporize them directly, she needs to make sure that her institutions do, as part of her whole 'we are past the bad old days of the Hui, and into an era of virtuous rule' thing.
That was ancient china, and there wasn't a modern postal service meaning the tampering in question was done to official government documentation, which is why heads would roll. For ordinary people you needed to find somebody using the courier system that was going in the region you wanted the letter to deliver, and pay them a fee, which in no way obligated them to actually deliver it beyond their reputation being vaguely hurt if they didn't do so.

The fundamental reason the Ministries will be out for blood is their legitimacy is called into question when people get away with abuses of power without even a token punishment, but at the end of the day the high nobility can afford to lose the odd scion if things go completely south, and to be brutally honest I'm doubtful this falls into the heads roll category even if we managed to outright prove bribery was involved.

Since we know from discord that the consequences even if we proved a bribe took place depend on jurisdiction, which to me that would imply that for relatively minor* crimes only the MOI is going to have heads roll something they do to remind everyone not to mess with them alongside it being a pretty logical consequences of binding a death spirit of Justice.

*For the society in question given the cultivation level of the damaged parties, the ranks of the clans, and the fallout if the sabotage had worked this is a minor crime.
 
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That is a reasonable alternative, and it is possible the entire purpose was to get treats for Hanyi in those visits.
That was ancient china, and there wasn't a modern postal service meaning the tampering in question was done to official government documentation, which is why heads would roll. For ordinary people you needed to find somebody using the courier system that was going in the region you wanted the letter to deliver, and pay them a fee, which in no way obligated them to actually deliver it beyond their reputation being vaguely hurt if they didn't do so.

The fundamental reason the Ministries will be out for blood is their legitimacy is called into question when people get away with abuses of power without even a token punishment, but at the end of the day the high nobility can afford to lose the odd scion if things go completely south, and to be brutally honest I'm doubtful this falls into the heads roll category even if we managed to outright prove bribery was involved.

Since we know from discord that the consequences even if we proved a bribe took place depend on jurisdiction, which to me that would imply that for relatively minor* crimes only the MOI is going to have heads roll something they do to remind everyone not to mess with them alongside it being a pretty logical consequences of binding a death spirit of Justice.

*For the society in question given the cultivation level of the damaged parties alongside their clans this is a minor crime.
Perhaps, but I don't know if the ministry will be lenient at war times. If this scheme succeeded then valuable cultivator power would have spent fixing the problem rather than at the border. This is also a major farming center meaning any floods could cause food shortages. Not as important for cultivator armies, but still a major issue distracting them from the cloud tribes.
 
Perhaps, but I don't know if the ministry will be lenient at war times. If this scheme succeeded then valuable cultivator power would have spent fixing the problem rather than at the border. This is also a major farming center meaning any floods could cause food shortages. Not as important for cultivator armies, but still a major issue distracting them from the cloud tribes.
Possible, but I'd imagine that would be more the local viscount clan getting flak for not accounting for the possibility of a bad harvest, and everyone else who didn't plan ahead as well, which the ministries would love to use as an avenue to further redefine the line for what is considered an internal clan affair assuming* the Diao play ball. The fear of the Diao doing so is the source of the loss in nobility opinion if the the ritual had failed, and well we know there is a war going on over the line for what is considered an internal clan affair.

Honestly part of the reason why I'd expect all the ministries to find an excuse to be involved is they in fact can do the math for Cai retainers to Count clans, and they'd like to ascertain how readily Ling Qi shares her Lady's pro ministry stance.

*Part of the internal divide within the Diao is liable to be the Prime Minister who accepts no excuses for not playing ball, and those resent the results from doing so.
 
[X] You may not like the priestess much, but she is not wrong here. Working within the Ministries bounds is important (Begin Laws Long Hand Political Quest)
 
[X] You may not like the priestess much, but she is not wrong here. Working within the Ministries bounds is important (Begin Laws Long Hand Political Quest)
 
[X] You will naturally cooperate with the Ministry of law and any others, but you cannot just leave this matter be (Begin Idol Days Political Quest)
 
[X] You will naturally cooperate with the Ministry of law and any others, but you cannot just leave this matter be (Begin Idol Days Political Quest)

While I prefer the other option, the quest name is too fun not to go for.
 
[X] You may not like the priestess much, but she is not wrong here. Working within the Ministries bounds is important (Begin Laws Long Hand Political Quest)
 
[X] You may not like the priestess much, but she is not wrong here. Working within the Ministries bounds is important (Begin Laws Long Hand Political Quest)
 
[X] You may not like the priestess much, but she is not wrong here. Working within the Ministries bounds is important (Begin Laws Long Hand Political Quest)
 
[x] You may not like the priestess much, but she is not wrong here. Working within the Ministries bounds is important (Begin Laws Long Hand Political Quest)
 
[X] You will naturally cooperate with the Ministry of law and any others, but you cannot just leave this matter be (Begin Idol Days Political Quest)
 
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