Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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IMO the "should we buy out her military service" question should be resolved by, you know, asking her what she prefers. Then we do that.
There is also the question of wether we want to endure the expense of our resources, which is immense. We might want to check what is the norm among baron houses

If she wants, and we buy her out, it does have some advantages. For one, it shows how much we care for our clan members, which will greatly increase the amount of people who want to join our clan
 
There is also the question of wether we want to endure the expense of our resources, which is immense. We might want to check what is the norm among baron houses

If she wants, and we buy her out, it does have some advantages. For one, it shows how much we care for our clan members, which will greatly increase the amount of people who want to join our clan
Okay but why do we need to advertise like that? I don't want to adopt a bunch of random people I want Yu Nuan and maybe Su Ling. 'Greatly increaseing the amount of people who want to join our clan' isn't an advantage it's a demerit.
 
We should absolutely not advertice that we can "buy out" peoples debt.
Clan/Family is important to Ling Qi, and having people try to join just for wealth is exact opposite of what we want.
Yu Nuan is someone we like and trust, and who came to us expecting having to work her ass off to pay her tuition anyway, and that is why we are considering adopting her.
 
Jeweled Halls
The carved dome of crystal glass above was subtly and masterfully carved to refract the color of the light captured in it like frozen stars, projecting dreamlike patterns to stimulate the mind and imagination of cultivators in the midst of their contemplation. Below the dome was the arboretum, a study in the mastery of the Bao's craft, each tree sculpted from metals and stone, and each life carved from precious gemstone. Yet the leaves and branches swayed in the breeze as lightly as any natural growth, their tinkling chime a song that spread throughout the carefully arranged space. Pleasant paths of polished marble wove through artificial hillocks and troughs, and here and there among the green silk grass were flat stones and quaint little benches, perfect for resting upon in the midst of meditation.

For Bao Qian, though, it was still just his favorite place to relax. Few of the grown ups cultivated here, for reasons he didn't understand. Then again he had only been awakened a year ago, on his eleventh birthday, and he hadn't cultivated much yet. Still, as he laid back on the stone bench and listened to the song played by the breeze on the leaves, the memory of awakening brought a smile to his face. It was the only time he could ever remember Mother and Father being home the whole day.

He brought the fruits of today's lessons up in front of his face, studying the disc of soft grey stone and brushing his thumb over the clumsy chisel marks that etched out the lopsided face of a lion dog. They were such cool beasts, but Father said they weren't suitable companions for a Bao. His smile faded a little as he studied his work, and glanced out at the earth wrought trees.

...Even if it wasn't very good, he wished he had someone to show it too.

The sound of voices disrupted the music of the arboretum, and Bao Qian blinked, craning his neck to look behind him as shadows jumped about with the passing of figures through the north entrance. He saw someone dart off to the left, and then some thirty seconds later a harried looking servant came dashing through the doorway. She was an older woman, wearing the red and brown robes the serving families wore while on duty.

He thought he might recognize her, maybe she had been one of his caretakers awhile back? He couldn't be sure, they changed every other week. He'd heard Father mention something about untoward attachments to explain it, but he didn't really get it. It made it a pain to remember anything about the servants though. Curiously he watched the woman glance around and begin hurrying up the path.

She noticed him a few moments later as she approached the bench he was lying back on, and stopped to quickly duck her head in a bow. "I am sorry for disturbing your rest, Young Master Qian, but did you see Young Miss Qingling run this way?"

Bao Qian looked up at the old woman's expression, seeing the irritation in the lines of her expression. "What happened," he asked.

"The Young Miss had another one of her fits after her herbalism lesson and ran off. Instructor Shu ordered me to retrieve her, please Young Master," the servant said, bowing still lower.

Bao Qian sat up, thinking for a few moments. "She ran off toward the east exit."

He watched the woman bow and again, hurrying off as fast as dignity allowed. He watched her go, feeling just a little bad for her. Then, he looked off to his left, where he had seen the figure dart under the shadows of the trees. He rested his chin in one hand, idly flipping his carving between his fingers. One of her fits, huh.

He remembered the first time he'd seen her when they were both really little, like only eight or nine. The big presentation festival where all the Bao who were out journeying came back to try and impress the head and the elders with their projects had been in full swing. There'd been a big scandal when the clan head's youngest daughter had broken down in the middle of part of a crowded show hall screaming and crying. He still remembered how furious her mother had looked as she followed the servants carrying the girl out. It had made his head throb, even with his parents standing over him.

Bao Qian hopped down from the bench, feeling the soft springiness of the silk grass under his bare feet, and started to walk out under the crystal trees. He'd seen her since of course, it was hard not too, when only some of the lessons split the girls and the boys here in the lower halls. She didn't really get on with anyone. The other boys like himself mostly just avoided her, but the girls…

Well, there was a reason he was wary of them. Girls were so mean.

He'd rather get in a fistfight with Qiang, than get in an argument with Qiao. He might win the one.

You'd think, as the clan heads daughter, everyone would be nicer, but Bao Qian supposed if his Father was so busy, the clan head must never stop working, and he had so many older children besides. Maybe he just forgot about her?

That was kinda sad, and that was why he felt bad for her.

It was a little spooky under the canopy of the arboretum, the starlight reflected strangely through the branches, spinning misty webs of light and dancing images, but mostly, it was cool and dark. He found Qingling by the sound of her breathing. She was curled up among the roots of a carved marble tree. She'd grown into a thin and awkward girl, and her dark hair hung down over her face and the hands clutching at her temples.

"Go away," she hissed well before he reached her.

He stopped considering what he saw, her green dress was muddy and ill kempt, so she must have taken a tumble in the garden, his eyes traveled up to her whitened knuckles and the small smear of blood on them. More he took a look at the way her shoulders were shaking, and the ragged edge to her breathing that wasn't exhaustion.

Father always said that understanding the people you were selling too was just as important as the quality of your product. He'd taught him some stuff about people that they didn't cover in the group lessons. Bao Qian turned and seated himself at the base of the onyx trunk he had stopped by, looking away from her.

Silence stretched on, broken only by the sound of her breathing. Bao Qian wondered if he was going to be scolded for lying when word got back around to his parents. He flipped his carving between his hands.

"What do you want," Qingling said eventually, only a hint of a sniffle in her voice."

"Just want to know what happened," he said casually. He knew she would just get mad if he said that he felt sorry for her. The first couple times he had approached her had gone pretty poorly because he was too honest.

"I was trying to help," she hissed.

He didn't say anything, just hummed an acknowledgement.

"Qiao was cutting her plant wrong. The medicinal properties would only be half as effective the way she was doing it. I pointed it out and the instructor agreed with me!" her words came quick and furious. "But she just got mad at me."

Bao Qian considered that she could probably have pointed out the mistake more quietly and avoided the instructors attention, but didn't say anything. Maybe for someone else that could have worked.

"Then after, they were all around me and my head hurt and they just wouldn't shut up. I should have hit her harder," Qingling said darkly.

Bao Qian closed his eyes, picturing a gaggle of Qiao and her friends, gathering around another girl who had offended them in the way they liked to do, heckling and insulting. He then pictured an agitated Qingling in the middle. Yeah, that sounded about right. "You know you're going to be in trouble now though."

"Like it matters," the girl replied, her voice muffled. She'd probably pressed her knees up against her face. "I'm always in trouble. If you're here, you're going to be in trouble too, fool."

"Hm, Father always says boys should get in trouble from time to time. It'll be fine. Probably," Bao Qian said with false cheer.

"...Boys are lucky then," Qingling said darkly.

"Maybe," Bao Qian agreed. "Well, since we're both in trouble anyway, will you look at something for me?"

"Why," Qingling asked suspiciously.

Because you're less suspicious if you feel like there's a transaction, he thought. Out loud, he just chuckled. "It's just, the instructors are too nice, I know you'll tell me where I made mistakes."

With those words, he flipped the disc he had been playing with over his shoulder. He heard a shuffle and the sound of stone hitting a palm. "...It's supposed to be a lion dog?"

"Well at least it's recognizable," he chuckled, scratching the back of his head.

"The lines on the mane are jagged, and his right eye is bigger than his left one. Some of the teeth are crooked too," Qingling said, only sniffling once.

Bao Qian nodded along, leaning back against the tree. It stung his pride a little, but he knew she wasn't really being mean. Qingling just… didn't get lying is all. He listened to her go on and let his eyes drift shut, picturing how he would fix his next try.

Nothing to do but wait till they were found now.

AN: This ended up coming up at a convenient time.In any case, also locking the vote, can I get the final tally?
 
Adhoc vote count started by Tylonius on May 17, 2021 at 5:34 PM, finished with 174 posts and 67 votes.
 
I was browsing the discussion about Bao Qian and potential suitor and the perspective of mariage and realised something : as of now, Linq Qi can't, canonically, marry someone she doesn't fall in love first anymore.

Let me explain : our MC's insights are tied to the family being important to her AND to always go forward in her cultivation.

Or, what would happens if she had to cope with a political mariage and can't succeed to make peace with herself that YoungMasterTemplate is now tied to her clan and family?

We know what would happens : heart demons. Same as what we are actually painstakingly trying to resolve with our spirits beasts, who, at least, understand us and want to forge ahead with us. Now picture it if LQ suddenly had to do the same thing with someone who is just here because he had to and cba to make it work.

In my opinion, our choices of insights make it extremely hard for us to go forth with any political mariage that CRX could make us consider if there's isn't a lot of respect, a common goal to strive forward, and love in it.

Which is going to be a total pain in the ass to make it work in the political game of the ES, but honestly I don't care.

I want LQ to have a real love story arc and not just go with the flow in a sordid political mariage which end up with both sides having affairs on the side a la Shenhua.
 
It is mostly "get to Cyan". There's an individualized test but at that point you and the elders should all know each other and so it is probably mostly a formality.

Yeah. The overwhelming majority of Inner Sect disciples are Greens, but there are still some yellows. Meanwhile Outer Sect disciples are almost entirely reds and yellows, with a few greens. And I think the #1 Inner Sect student is a peak Green if I recall correctly. So it makes sense for Cyan to at least be the unofficial dividing line for Core Sect, but is it possible for a Green to be admitted into the Core Sect? Or a Cyan to remain in the Inner Sect? At what point is one considered elligible to apprentice to an elder like Jiao? That carot was dangled in front of Ling Qi early on, but nothing ever came of it, and Jiao himself didn't really seem to want an apprentice.
 
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Yeah. The overwhelming majority of Inner Sect disciples are Greens, but there are still some yellows. Meanwhile Outer Sect disciples are almost entirely reds and yellows, with a few greens. And I think the #1 Inner Sect student is a peak Green if I recall correctly. So it makes sense for Cyan to at least be the unofficial dividing line for Core Sect, but is it possible for a Green to be admitted into the Core Sect? Or a Cyan to remain in the Inner Sect? At what point is one considered elligible to apprentice to an elder like Jiao? That carot was dangled in front of Ling Qi early on, but nothing ever came of it, and Jiao himself didn't really seem to want an apprentice.
We don't know the official process, but it does seem highly personalized. Just as a yellow can make it into the inner sect I think a green can make it to the core sect. As for your other questions, I don't know. Such matters were not important to us once we took the Cai path, so they never came up.
 
Few of the grown ups cultivated here, for reasons he didn't understand. Then again he had only been awakened a year ago, on his eleventh birthday, and he hadn't cultivated much yet. Still, as he laid back on the stone bench and listened to the song played by the breeze on the leaves, the memory of awakening brought a smile to his face. It was the only time he could ever remember Mother and Father being home the whole day.
Mmm, talented and motivated to cultivate since that's one of his keys towards his parents' affections, but not too motivated to snatch use of the artificial minor Earth/Metal/Wood cultivation site with his free time. To busy cultivating his love for song and music, apparently.

He'd heard Father mention something about untoward attachments to explain it, but he didn't really get it. It made it a pain to remember anything about the servants though
*looks back at Ling Qi's own difficulties in remembering that mortals were people*

While the Bao are only nominally Imperial Conservatives, looks like Ling Qi has some common ground with the Conservatives, after all!

(Also, this was one of the things that marked the upbringing of the Black Vipers, yeah? As in, something that didn't happen with the other Bai castes? When you're matching one of the more fucked-up Bai traditions...)

how furious her mother had looked as she followed the servants carrying the girl out. It had made his head throb, even with his parents standing over him.
As the spouse of the head of a Count clan, Bar Qingling's mother should be at the 5th or 6th Realm. At the 3rd Realm, Ling Qi got hit by an inferiority complex with the early 5th Realm Ai Xiaoli lost control. Bao Qian was lucky his parents were there to bear the brunt of it, that he was only left with a headache. The 1st and 2nd Realm Bao, as well as the servants, who probably were thought to be able to fend for themselves, almost certainly got off much worse.
 
We should absolutely not advertice that we can "buy out" peoples debt.
Clan/Family is important to Ling Qi, and having people try to join just for wealth is exact opposite of what we want.
Yu Nuan is someone we like and trust, and who came to us expecting having to work her ass off to pay her tuition anyway, and that is why we are considering adopting her.
Never said we should advertise that we buy out people. But it will increase the prestige of our clan
 

Mmmm I think your conflating political marriage with lack of romance?

Like, we are NOBILITY. Our marriage regardless if it's with a spirit, a fellow noble, a rando murderhobo , a barb etc is going to be political in nature .

Lq in story has already turned down dozens upon dozens of proposals (becuase marriage and adoption is how small baronies get new talent , increase prestige etc) . Obviously these were all low quality proposals but it's still something that's happening and will continue to happen for as long as LQ remains unmarried.


Part of the reasons we really only have 1 REAL legitimate guy courting LQ atm is becuase yrs lacks the room to include a bunch of suitors in the narrative right now, but also from a meta standpoint its..literally only been TWO years from LQ going from street rat, to well connected, strong baroness.

And in cultivator time, that's nothing when you can live for Centuries. When you can cultivate from months-years at a time and then pop your head back out "what's all the ruckus".

Obviously LQ won't marry someone she doesnt love, she isnt gonna settle, she ain't that type of girl, and the thread for damn sure is going to have salt wars over the prospective suitors.

But marriage is a LONGGG time off. Right now LQ Is only barely getting suitors , which are basically just dudes trying to impress her to consider them for a possible marriage candidacy. And the whole process itself takes years generally unless your family arranged it, in which care lq has all the power here anyway so that's a void issue. Cai cant and wouldnt force us to marry anyone we didnt want to anyway. That's dumb and counterproductive
 
Never said we should advertise that we buy out people. But it will increase the prestige of our clan
You may not have said it.
There is also the question of wether we want to endure the expense of our resources, which is immense. We might want to check what is the norm among baron houses

If she wants, and we buy her out, it does have some advantages. For one, it shows how much we care for our clan members, which will greatly increase the amount of people who want to join our clan
But the implication is there, intended or not.
People wanting to join our clan because we spent large sums of money to pay out the tuition dept is not a good thing.
 

Oh, of course I know she's just a teenager and doesn't personally care anyway. It's just that it hit me like a truck that if LQ allready got heart demons about conflicting ideals right now, then it'll be way worse once her insights coalesce in her Way at Cyan lvl, which isn't that far off, and will totally happens before she's engaged to someone anyway, because, yeah, that's too early right now anyway.

So no, I don't think I'm mistaking political mariage prospects and lack of romance. I'm pointing out the fact that it'll be impossible, hell, it's impossible already, for it to be a romance-less idyll, or her future Way will do Bad Things about it.

Yes, as a personal point of view, I heavily despise the idea of political mariage, but that's not how it works in practice here, in this story. Here, it is a question of "what can I gain if I go for it?", because we're entranched in the politics of the ES now and will have to consider it, which some of us are already.

But that wasn't what motivated my thoughts. What I was pointing out is that anything love-, respect- and ambition toward greater heights-less will make it hard for LQ to go forward in her own cultivation, because it'll not be Her Way. That's what I was pointing out. That's what I think we should all remember when suitors are brought in the discussion.
 
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Never said we should advertise that we buy out people. But it will increase the prestige of our clan
It'd trade off the prestige of serving in the armed forces(which is excellent politician credit anywhere, especially in warrior-nobility like the Empire's) and getting achievements where they can be seen, in favor of the much lower prestige of being filthy rich.

Yu Nuan even said it, she's willing to do the army time, so unless we have something both important and urgent for her to start on, serving time in the Sect army is time where she's making achievements that Ling Qi would not be making, what with being focused on getting liftoff on her barony AND engaged in offshore diplomacy.

It works out for established noble clans because they have their own armed forces where they can be kept safe, win the respect of their own forces AND funneled relatively glorious but difficulty appropriate fights.

For a small but talented barony, time in the Sect army is a great opportunity, provided they're on decent terms with the Sect.
 
Well we are not exactly on the great terms anymore now are we. :V

Yu Nuan is willing to do her military service is not the same as Yu Nuan is eager.
We should talk to her either way.
And if something suddenly happens where we might need/use an extra green cultivator, having Yu Nuan doing her Military service might mean she can't be just extracted from there at moments notice wether we pay the tuition or not.

Having Yu Nuan serving in the sect forces might be an opportunity (how big an opportunity it would be is something i am not sure of), but it is also an opportunity cost compared to everything else she would be doing for however many years the service was.
 
Well we are not exactly on the great terms anymore now are we. :V
Aren't we at a level two relationship with the argent sect? In which case we have the following realtionship:
Mildly liked- Members will be positively biased toward you, with some individuals being moreso. Mild institutional notice
While we aren't anything like best buddies - we are on good terms with the sect.

Personally I think that the sect likes us and are grateful for what we have done for them, but being aware that we will be leaving, isn't wanting to waste resources in an investment that is unlikely to yield significant returns in the future.
Also @yrsillar is the information page on relations updated with the current argent sect relationship?
 
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Aren't we at a level two relationship with the argent sect? In which case we have the following realtionship:
Mildly liked- Members will be positively biased toward you, with some individuals being moreso. Mild institutional notice
While we aren't anything like best buddies - we are on good terms with the sect.

Personally I think that the sect likes us and are grateful for what we have done for them, but being aware that we will be leaving, isn't wanting to waste resources in an investment that is unlikely to yield significant returns in the future.
Also @yrsillar is the information page on relations updated with the current argent sect relationship?
We went to Shenhua instead to them with the iron sliver which somewhat lowered their opinion of us.
They might not hate us, but they also probably are not super keen on us anymore either.
And if/when we adopt Yu Nuan, those feelins may end up trasnferring to her to some degree.
I would not expect them to be antagonistic or malicious at any point, but i also would not expect any plum assignments coming our way.
 
as of now, Linq Qi can't, canonically, marry someone she doesn't fall in love first anymore.

Let me explain : our MC's insights are tied to the family being important to her AND to always go forward in her cultivation.

Or, what would happens if she had to cope with a political mariage and can't succeed to make peace with herself that YoungMasterTemplate is now tied to her clan and family?

We know what would happens : heart demons.
Love is not required. Compassion, understanding and willingness to work together is. In fact love without one of those three would be more hurtful for marriage. And no, love do not mean compassion, do not mean understanding nor do it mean willingness to work together on issues.

LQ can't do a "purely political marriage", but it doesn't mean she would marry for love.
 
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We went to Shenhua instead to them with the iron sliver which somewhat lowered their opinion of us.
They might not hate us, but they also probably are not super keen on us anymore either.
And if/when we adopt Yu Nuan, those feelins may end up trasnferring to her to some degree.
I would not expect them to be antagonistic or malicious at any point, but i also would not expect any plum assignments coming our way.
Argent Sect: 2
I believe that this is the latest change to our Argent sect relationship, this occurred after we committed to leaving the sect.
We are still on good terms with the sect - we no longer are on fantastic terms with the sect.
 
Love is not required. Compassion, understanding and willingness to work together is. In fact love without one of those three would be more hurtful for marriage. And no, love do not mean compassion, do not mean understanding nor do it mean willingness to work together on issues.

LQ can't do a "purely political marriage", but it doesn't mean she would marry for love.

I get what you're saying. I was more or less branding the ideal situation where her own beliefs coincide with an acceptable mariage prospect with someone whose compassionate, willing to work together and understanding with the "love" brand because it's easier to vulgarize it that way without going on thousands kilometers tangent about what is love in general and so on.

But, yes, I concur with what you're saying. In a political game, we can't expect LQ to get the "happy ending" of a paper thin plot of a 3p.m. romance movie.

Nonetheless, my point still stand : as we both said, we can't go pure political mariage because it'll detrimental for LQ's Way, and mariage, romance and suitors are going to be a painful can of worm to deal with once you factor that in it. Which we should heavily consider in our decisions each time we're in a situation where it's relevant.

Edit : the last side-story actually, in this perspective, make it appear that so far Bao Qian is a solid contender, with the compassion he showed toward his "difficult" little sister. We already knew he was at least trying to be understanding toward LQ and he definitely demonstrated that he was willing to to work together, at least with the potential economic gains of it. Now, if we could also have some romantic vibes between the two, and not just a semi-permanent awkward feedback from LQ, it'll be a viable ship. But, so far, he doesn't seems to make her that enthusiastic about the idea. Wait & see I guess.
 
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Nonetheless, my point still stand : as we both said, we can't go pure political mariage because it'll detrimental for LQ's Way, and mariage, romance and suitors are going to be a painful can of worm to deal with once you factor that in it. Which we should heavily consider in our decisions each time we're in a situation where it's relevant.

Ling Qi's Way may be based on familly but she is still determining what that means to her, she said it herself to Yu Nuan : half her current fammily is adopted, wich means that to LQ blood ties are not the biggest deal.
What a marriage or a husband means in to Ling Qi is still up in the air, she could decide on some very extreme Insights when it comes to life partners, let me remind you she almost fully agreed with Zeqing when they talked about the fate of Hanyi's father the main point of contention was that to Ling Qi his torment should not be eternal.

Since LQ has a long time before marriage i hope some period where she considers potential boyfriends happens , LQ is not in the right headspace to experiment these days but i would love for at least one quest to treat relationships more reallistically then the "eternal love once married" that is very common in the format (understandably if you identify enough with a MC to vote for their life partner you would not want either character to experience how awful cheating can be).
 
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Passionate love might not be required, but an emmotional link has to be there.
She's seen what happened to her mother, and what happened to Zeqing, and has Xin and Jiao as an example of a marriage based on love instead of duty.
Ling Qi is not going to marry someone lightly, and any partner is going have ot understand that this is not going to be some "pop couple kids and go do whatever" partnership, because as said, main issue with Zeqing was not eating her deceptive lover, but keeping his soul in torment afterwards.
 
Yu Nuan even said it, she's willing to do the army time, so unless we have something both important and urgent for her to start on, serving time in the Sect army is time where she's making achievements that Ling Qi would not be making, what with being focused on getting liftoff on her barony AND engaged in offshore diplomacy.
We do have something very important and urgent for her to do. Our future fief will be on (or, at least, near) the imperial border. This obviously means that our clay will be sparsely populated, filled with dangerous spirits and under constant risk of barbarian raiders.

Basically, our fief will need frequent attention from a Green+ cultivator just to keep our family, subjects and mooks alive. We are CRX's retainer so will not have enough time to manage our lands once we actually get landed.

If we don't use Yu Nyan for this, we will just have to hire some random Green to do it.
 
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