Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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The sect is full of resources educational, material, social, and political that we won't be able to provide on our fresh patch of land. I'm not fully convinced it's in Yu Nuan's best interest to immediately buy out her term of service, threat of violent death notwithstanding.
We won't have a huge archive of writings on all sorts of topics, or even just music. Our library of 3rd realm arts is limited to only the things we've explicitly seen already, none of which are tailored to Yu Nuan's themes and aesthetics. She can't help the Ling by building contacts if she's with us in the ass end of nowhere. There will need to be logistics pathways to support our cultivation, so stones and pills shouldn't be in short supply for her on the frontier; however, she doesn't need to be with us for this benefit either.
I'm not sure being a herdswoman or doing gruntwork is really the best assignment for a 3rd realm human agent of our clan, ultimately. It feels premature to pull her away from the developmental advantages of the sect environment, remember that we've sped further along the line than she is, and there's potential advantages for us in having her remain in it. Adoption and paying off the debt should be separate considerations, we don't need to rush to one because we've decided on the other.
Edit: like, importantly, the point where Yu Nuan is in her cultivation she's highly dependent on getting her hands on Arts to practice for advancement. We don't have any for her. And she doesn't have a history of absurdly lucky handouts like we do. The only line on that kind of thing she does have is that bird spirit dude who gave her the dog. He'd be an elementally appropriate mentor figure for her, if that can be swung to any extent. He's also sect-local.
We won't have a huge archive of writings on all sorts of topics, or even just music. Our library of 3rd realm arts is limited to only the things we've explicitly seen already, none of which are tailored to Yu Nuan's themes and aesthetics. She can't help the Ling by building contacts if she's with us in the ass end of nowhere. There will need to be logistics pathways to support our cultivation, so stones and pills shouldn't be in short supply for her on the frontier; however, she doesn't need to be with us for this benefit either.
I'm not sure being a herdswoman or doing gruntwork is really the best assignment for a 3rd realm human agent of our clan, ultimately. It feels premature to pull her away from the developmental advantages of the sect environment, remember that we've sped further along the line than she is, and there's potential advantages for us in having her remain in it. Adoption and paying off the debt should be separate considerations, we don't need to rush to one because we've decided on the other.
Edit: like, importantly, the point where Yu Nuan is in her cultivation she's highly dependent on getting her hands on Arts to practice for advancement. We don't have any for her. And she doesn't have a history of absurdly lucky handouts like we do. The only line on that kind of thing she does have is that bird spirit dude who gave her the dog. He'd be an elementally appropriate mentor figure for her, if that can be swung to any extent. He's also sect-local.
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I would not expect the military service to be all that educational, or allow them access to the library the same way we get as students.
The point of military service it to pay back the resources used in our training as well as access to libraries and teachers.
A green cultivator can act as a military asset, a defender, an envoy, or just go out and aid neighbouring fiefs in whatever they have got going in return of pay or favors.
And i'm not seeing anyone suggesting that we assign a green level cultivator to grunt work and herding.
Though do not discount the value of an experienced herdswoman, if we get red or yellow herds going, a green cultivator could become worth having, even if only occasionally when not doing other more important things.
Wether we pay or not is a talk we need to have with Yu Nuan anyway.
The point of military service it to pay back the resources used in our training as well as access to libraries and teachers.
A green cultivator can act as a military asset, a defender, an envoy, or just go out and aid neighbouring fiefs in whatever they have got going in return of pay or favors.
And i'm not seeing anyone suggesting that we assign a green level cultivator to grunt work and herding.
Though do not discount the value of an experienced herdswoman, if we get red or yellow herds going, a green cultivator could become worth having, even if only occasionally when not doing other more important things.
Wether we pay or not is a talk we need to have with Yu Nuan anyway.
The sect rotates officers around so they can continue to advance their cultivation. It's the general cultural assumption that cultivators, well, cultivate. At least until they stall out. It's not to the sect's advantage for Inner Sect members to stop getting stronger due to something like a lack of reference materials, since that limits the value of the disciple in their service period.
The beauty of having a large archive of arts is giving access to disciples doesn't reduce the value of the archive. There's no reason not to give the same access to Inner Sect members just because they've landed on their service period years. The Inner Sect doesn't work the same as the Outer Sect; disciples aren't transferred out of it into the sect's military, they're in both, acting as officers.
And her building a stable of war-buddies is valuable for us.
The beauty of having a large archive of arts is giving access to disciples doesn't reduce the value of the archive. There's no reason not to give the same access to Inner Sect members just because they've landed on their service period years. The Inner Sect doesn't work the same as the Outer Sect; disciples aren't transferred out of it into the sect's military, they're in both, acting as officers.
And her building a stable of war-buddies is valuable for us.
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I would like to gain lot more info on the military service before making any strong statements on its value for a cultivator, largely because i would expect the sect to be far more interested in gaining value out of a cultivator than providing it to them once it comes time to start paying tuition.
How valuable the war buddies would be, is also up in the air, because while friends are always nice, they will probably be mostly either sect lifers, or from far flung clans who are not rich enough to provide for tuition on their own (or possibly thinking of the networking opportunities i guess), and very dependant on the persons doing connections being the kind of person who does make life long friends with their war buddies.
My first idea would be to just ask Yu Nuan which she wants to do, and go with that, if no other information on relative values is found before decision is made.
How valuable the war buddies would be, is also up in the air, because while friends are always nice, they will probably be mostly either sect lifers, or from far flung clans who are not rich enough to provide for tuition on their own (or possibly thinking of the networking opportunities i guess), and very dependant on the persons doing connections being the kind of person who does make life long friends with their war buddies.
My first idea would be to just ask Yu Nuan which she wants to do, and go with that, if no other information on relative values is found before decision is made.
[X] There is an abandoned manor on a southern baron's lands left behind during a post Ogodei invasion which he would like exorcised and demolished.
I like the Ogodei thread.
I like the Ogodei thread.
[X] There is an abandoned manor on a southern baron's lands left behind during a post Ogodei invasion which he would like exorcised and demolished.
Fantastic as always.From the relatively recent RR updoot "Threads 84-Integration 2"
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[X] There is an abandoned manor on a southern baron's lands left behind during a post Ogodei invasion which he would like exorcised and demolished.
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- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
[X] There is an old mine in the east which needs both checking for renewed deposits and cleared of spirits and wildlife.
Yeah, this is my biggest issue with the quest. Way to often, we have votes that have unequal options simply because it would be narratively unnatural to give equal focus to two different vote options. I think this kind of thing could be mitigated by presenting the two options (if possible) far in advance and then letting multiple vote choices mold the end result.
For example, my problem with the Ice diplo vote was exactly that it got so much focus but the intersect choice never got any, and the vote was sprung on us a bit out of nowhere. It would have been better if after the Ice Diplo arc we could have gotten a Pre-intersect arc as well and then we should have gotten the vote to choose betwen them. Even better if we had multiple votes that allowed Yrs to gauge player interest between the two options.
And so with regards the husbando vote, I really hope that any sort of choice with regards to it is far far off in the future (like literal years IRL), and somewhere between 20-100 years in quest time and after we have formed long relationships with all plausible husbando choices.
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[X] There is an abandoned manor on a southern baron's lands left behind during a post Ogodei invasion which he would like exorcised and demolished.
From the relatively recent RR updoot "Threads 84-Integration 2"
Awesome art! The domain Ling Qi is just too cute.
Not to mention, for a cultivator, her very tangible pride.
She prides herself on her independence and ability, and she IS well able to pay her way herself. A forced kindness isn't much of one here.
That and I don't think the threat of violent death is going to be much more or less either way. The war is heating up and none of the territories we occupy and work with is going to be spared
Think you might be underestimating the challenges of doing herding on spirit beasts, while keeping wild spirit beasts off your herd. Shen Hu described his own home situation as basically woodcutters.
Lei Gong(lit Thunder Grandfather, traditionally paired with Wind Granny), chinese thunder deity, appearance similar to the Tengu, most likely adapted from a variation of Garuda.
Ah, I more meant in the context of the next <8 years. It's because herding is difficult that one Green Cultivator's efforts only go so far. I figure a ~decade difference in starting herding efforts in earnest doesn't make a huge difference in the long-term. Especially when you factor in how the value of personal power growth during that time means most of the benefit of starting now would be in the last few years anyway. And if retaining access to cultivation resources like Arts streamlines that power growth....
Meanwhile, the potential value of her sticking around the sect doesn't have the same "move it around a decade and it's not a huge deal in the long-run" characteristic. Kind of a now or never situation. It's not even the case that staying at the sect would blunt her growth-through-work in herding, specifically. The sect has herds, maybe not extensive ones but it does have them, and has inner disciples care for them and other animals.
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It is mostly "get to Cyan". There's an individualized test but at that point you and the elders should all know each other and so it is probably mostly a formality.
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[X] There is an abandoned manor on a southern baron's lands left behind during a post Ogodei invasion which he would like exorcised and demolished.
