Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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Well then, I think our priority target should be Shishigui. Not only they have our secondary objective, they also wouldn't be caught by Southern group or Elders. Because they would flee beneath where we didn't have any troops.
Edit: Also I agree that Guan Zhi should attack Twelve Stars, she is the only one who could take on Cyan here.
 
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Mmm, yeah. Twelve Stars are already our enemies, and I'm also pretty leery of leaving the Cyan alone. Ice lady I agree we shouldn't target.

Along those lines, we have several plan variants:
[] Plan Bishoujo Battle: Barbarian X Bard
-[][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[][Ling Qi] Target Shishigui


Where the idea is to focus on teamwork with Renxiang to eliminate/capture the Shishigui and stop them from taking away the stone. Also technically our DESTINED NEMESIS is with them I guess.

[] Plan Star Stealing Shenanigans
-[][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[][Ling Qi] Securing the Starstone


Where we prioritise trying to secure the secondary objective while Renxiang covers us. Slightly dodgy because it's not clear how we can actually steal the starstone, especially given it disrupts qi.

[] Plan Strategic Support Stymieing
-[][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[][Ling Qi] Weaken or eliminate the forces on the rim before empowerment can begin


In many ways a classic Ling Qi approach where we prioritise breaking down enemy support and establishing a strong opening position for our group. Makes use of our stealth and strong lower level bullying power. Reminiscent of the stance we took during Thunderdome Redux.
 
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They're hostile but the dude was, for all his belligerence, berating the Shishigui aligned guys for haste and he seems reticent to commit completely. Basically, on the fence and I figure its possible to convince him that the Shishigui are unreliable allies who can't put up when its time to shut up, by beating the shite out of them.
That's already his opinion though.

Hes committed to the attack, just Independently of allying with the Shishigui

The point of divergence here is a disagreement on whether or not the Shishigui are worth speeding up the timetable or not.

Hes not gonna turn a blind eye here
 
I don't have a concrete plan yet, but what I think is important is keeping that rock. It seems to have sent everyone, who knows about it into a tizzy. We should not let anyone fly away with (if that is even possible), or take it back underground. I don't think we will pick it up or anything, or I hope not, it is literally destorying the earth by sitting there and our dress does not need to get unmade, but we are real good at being a pain in the ass and getting in the way. So I think our action should be to secure the rock.

Also, for some reason I worry that ice lady is aware of us. I don't like that.
 
Bit of a who's who since it's hard to track:

  • Cyan with starstone mask: <Twelve Star confederation>
    - big eagle with blue and white colors
    - 10 warriors with him; 5x G3's, 3x G4's and 2x G5's


  • Shishigui: (The people of Y'lith'kai)
    - tol G7 with 2x G2 rats and 4x G3 barbs, including the bard
    - apparently summoned a huge lump of >cyan(?) dormant starstone


  • Team ice witch: <White Sky confederation>
    - just 2 people: G8 elsa and an ice-masked G6 barb with a pegasus

We get to artillery spot and direct who Guan Zhi and CRX target, reminder:
- Guan Zhi is ~mid cyan
- CRX is full G4
- starstone mask guy is cyan

Arrayed enemy forces are:
- 1x cyan
- 1x G8 (ice witch), 1x G7 (shishigui), 1xG6 (ice-barb)
- 2x G5's, 3x G4's, 9 G3's, 2x G2's

in total:
• 20 enemies - 16 G2~5, plus 1 of each G6, 7, 8 and the cyan.
• these are the leaders, there's also 6 early greens herding a bunch of yellows.

Sect forces:
- 28 disciples on attack, can't be arsed to look up ratios. We know Ruan Shen is on offense but Liao and Diao aren't.
- don't expect the Elder to step in unless things really go pear-shaped.
 
As I'm thinking about it, and as it has become clear that there will be multiple turns and multiple votes in this battle, I'm actually hesitant to divert Guan Zhi to deal with the Twelve Star Confederation and their cyan cultivation.

The Nomads and Shishigui have one clear advantage in the number of higher stage cultivators they have. That's a problem, especially amongst the Shishigui representatives and their faction. Guan Zhi can solve that problem relatively quickly given she is also a Cyan and would likely make quick work out of even a Green seven when striking from a position of surprise.

Which I think this first strike needs to be. I feel that we need to deal with one of these factions quickly and decisively in a time frame that even cultivators will have difficulty in reacting to. And, out of the three factions here, I think that the Shishigui faction is the one that needs to be taken out quickly, to assert our control over the secondary objective, and because they are in a position of weakness in trying to convince the other two parties to join them.

Even if Guan Zhi can only spare a moment of attention before the other Cyan strikes, that moment will have a significant impact on the Shishigui group, allowing easier control over the secondary objective, and an easier time dealing with high-level cultivators.

So I'm going to advocate for having Guan Zhi strike at the Shishigui with Lady Cai while we try to secure the Starstone.
 
Yeah, honestly, I'm thinking Ling Qi is the best at actually securing the secondary objective. Isn't celestial starstuff just another form of wind? (Plus, you know, more mats for our upcoming weapon if we can leverage securing it into getting a piece) Between Wind Thief's narrative presence and the fact they haven't secured it properly yet, we should be able to pinch it while everyone else is distracted--Ling Qi is also probably more resistant to stellar radiation then most of our peers between Zhengui's aura and the fact she cultivates a filtered version of it.

The other prioritizations I'm not so sure on, but we definitely need a distraction to cover for us.
 
Sect forces:
- 28 disciples on attack, can't be arsed to look up ratios. We know Ruan Shen is on offense but Liao and Diao aren't.
- don't expect the Elder to step in unless things really go pear-shaped.
Beside LQ and CRX there where three others above the Foundation stage, in addition to Liao Zhu and Ruan Shen.

At best the assult force is seriously undergunned.
 
Did we start this war by accident?
I don't think so.
As i remember the whole thing started because of that suicidal barbarian shaman we killed with Su Ling back in the Outer Sect. It's because of him that the depths have been blown open.
Once the fissure had been opened it's normal and expected for anyone around to explore it, all the more so when it's literally just at the feet of their seat of power.
 
His mask however, drew her attention. It was a thing of iridescent crystal, gleaming with prismatic light, she felt her eyes recoil from it. It sent a shudder through her, even as it left her eyes burning as saltwater had been splashed in her face.

"...Starstone," the communication disciple murmured. "Ogodei was said to use it in his arrows. It's properties in inducing rapid entropy in qi constructs are well recorded, but for a mere fourth realm to be using such a large piece is…"
"We know you seek the fallen stars, son of the skies," The Shishigui growled. It clapped it's hands, and the air shimmered. The center of the caldera shook with a weighty thump as a lump of prismatic stone more than ten meters wide rose from the earth as if it were water. "My people are of the deep earth. We can deliver your stars."
Okay so a mask is impressive for a Cyan and Prism Ogodei used them for arrows. This thing is more valuable than the entire fighting force combined. Our primary objective should be keep the Twelve Stars confederation from learning the Shishigui's offer, secondary is to keep the giant Indigo+ grade material from falling into the hands of the barbarians. If we discourage the White Sky from joining the war I doubt the Shishigui will sell Starstone to them, which might be an incentive for them to join but otherwise it may be better to let them leave.

Guan Zhi's the only one who can stop the Cyan from leaving as he pleases and we don't want him or his group to go back to their clan with the Shishigui's offer. Cai Renxiang targets the Shishigui with her Purity and lock down Techs to keep it from stealing away the Starstone while we cover her.

As I'm thinking about it, and as it has become clear that there will be multiple turns and multiple votes in this battle, I'm actually hesitant to divert Guan Zhi to deal with the Twelve Star Confederation and their cyan cultivation.

The Nomads and Shishigui have one clear advantage in the number of higher stage cultivators they have. That's a problem, especially amongst the Shishigui representatives and their faction. Guan Zhi can solve that problem relatively quickly given she is also a Cyan and would likely make quick work out of even a Green seven when striking from a position of surprise.

Which I think this first strike needs to be. I feel that we need to deal with one of these factions quickly and decisively in a time frame that even cultivators will have difficulty in reacting to. And, out of the three factions here, I think that the Shishigui faction is the one that needs to be taken out quickly, to assert our control over the secondary objective, and because they are in a position of weakness in trying to convince the other two parties to join them.

Even if Guan Zhi can only spare a moment of attention before the other Cyan strikes, that moment will have a significant impact on the Shishigui group, allowing easier control over the secondary objective, and an easier time dealing with high-level cultivators.

So I'm going to advocate for having Guan Zhi strike at the Shishigui with Lady Cai while we try to secure the Starstone.
We have two Fourth Realms in Guan Zhi and Diao Gen who's approaching from the rear. Plus Elder support if they stand their ground.
 
If the cyan isn't distracted by our cyan I think that stealing the starstone he so desperately wants is basically impossible.
Heeee, impossible is such a strong word. I doubt he specializes in anti-thief skills and arts.
Besides, think of the rep boost if we manage it :)
We could also try to steal the mask. You know, to add insult to the injury :whistle:
 
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[X] Plan Bishoujo Battle: Barbarian X Bard
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[X][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][Ling Qi] Target Shishigui

[X] Plan Star Stealing Shenanigans
-[X][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[X][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[X][Ling Qi] Securing the Starstone


I'm fine with these 2, there is also of note that the battle will drag out for multiple updates so we can always do the other thing
 
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I think Ling Qi should focus on the Shishigui. It's one opponent Zhengui will be absurdly useful against. Everyone else are flying cheating bastards.
 
TBH, I'm torn between securing the starstone and therefore indulge in LQ's hankering for shinies, and culling the vast horde of minor enemies. I mean, the starstone isn't going to run away and I'm sure that if one of the groups tries to grab it and make a run for it, we will be able to vote for pursuing. On the other hand we already know how hard fights against empowered yellow barbarians can be. Especially if you don't have flight. We might reduce a lot of friendly casualties. Those arrows, their kiting ability and the flying will be tough for the group, especially if they are at the level we saw the last training camp we attended.
 
yrsillar on Discord said:
Again remember why you're making the choice
your the artillery spotter
ren and zhi are the atrillery
they're going to be firing off their strongest fuck you alpha strikes
A bit of useful insight into what exactly deploying CRX and GZ actually means.
 
As I'm thinking about it, and as it has become clear that there will be multiple turns and multiple votes in this battle, I'm actually hesitant to divert Guan Zhi to deal with the Twelve Star Confederation and their cyan cultivation.

The Nomads and Shishigui have one clear advantage in the number of higher stage cultivators they have. That's a problem, especially amongst the Shishigui representatives and their faction. Guan Zhi can solve that problem relatively quickly given she is also a Cyan and would likely make quick work out of even a Green seven when striking from a position of surprise.

Which I think this first strike needs to be. I feel that we need to deal with one of these factions quickly and decisively in a time frame that even cultivators will have difficulty in reacting to. And, out of the three factions here, I think that the Shishigui faction is the one that needs to be taken out quickly, to assert our control over the secondary objective, and because they are in a position of weakness in trying to convince the other two parties to join them.

Even if Guan Zhi can only spare a moment of attention before the other Cyan strikes, that moment will have a significant impact on the Shishigui group, allowing easier control over the secondary objective, and an easier time dealing with high-level cultivators.

So I'm going to advocate for having Guan Zhi strike at the Shishigui with Lady Cai while we try to secure the Starstone.
This also has the best chance of killing the alliance depending on how the latter battle plays out. If we successfully alpha strike the dwellers and steal the starstone, the 12 Star Alliance loses the assurance that the Dwellers can actually deliver on their end of the bargin because they couldn't even protect their good faith offering.

Of course, leaving the Twelve Star cyan alone means that the odds of actually stealing the starstone goes down a lot, so I'm more in favor of having Guan Zhi hitting the Cyan while Ling Qi and Cai Renxiang attack the dwellers, hoping that the surprise attack will prevent either side from instantly reclaiming the starstone, and that we can grab it in subsequent turns. As such:

[_] Plan: Shoot for the Stars
-[_][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[_][Cai Renxiang] The White Sky confederation representatives
-[_] Target Shishigui
 
TBH, I'm torn between securing the starstone and therefore indulge in LQ's hankering for shinies, and culling the vast horde of minor enemies. I mean, the starstone isn't going to run away and I'm sure that if one of the groups tries to grab it and make a run for it, we will be able to vote for pursuing. On the other hand we already know how hard fights against empowered yellow barbarians can be. Especially if you don't have flight. We might reduce a lot of friendly casualties. Those arrows, their kiting ability and the flying will be tough for the group, especially if they are at the level we saw the last training camp we attended.
i'd say the starstone is more likely to "run away" than the army of mooks. And flying away is less an issue than the shishigui fleeing with it by going underground.
 
Okay, so apparently CRX and Guan Zhi are artillery striking in this vote and we're choosing which one's they're targetting

with that in mind

I advocate STEALING THE ROCK

we can do battle with Barbarian rival next update (yes, I think he'll survive CRX nuke)
 
[] Plan Bishoujo Battle: Barbarian X Bard
-[][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[][Cai Renxiang] The Shishigui representatives
-[][Ling Qi] Target Shishigui
This is actually more ideal.than youd otherwise think

Cai Renxiangs Fuck You finishing move is something that can render the ground inert and screw with earth manipulating techniques

Combine this with Zhengui anchoring the Starstone or otherwise grabbing it with his roots (they're not actually constructs, they're actual legit plants) and the Shishigui will have a hell of a time taking it back in the midst of the melee

That is, unless

They attack Zhengui directly

But that's what we want them to do anyway, as it'll split their forces and give everyone else an easier time of it to help pick off folks who would otherwise be forming up into more coherent units to fend off the assault force

Plus

You know

Ling Qi and her overlapping Death Fields and draining techniques
 
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That's already his opinion though.

Hes committed to the attack, just Independently of allying with the Shishigui

The point of divergence here is a disagreement on whether or not the Shishigui are worth speeding up the timetable or not.

Hes not gonna turn a blind eye here
Yeah, I'm talking about cementing the idea of "Yeah shishigui aren't worth it" entirely. Nuke the Shishigui into the ground and have our Cyan right behind us while Ling Qi gets the Starstone mostly secure.

The structure of this vote kind of annoys me on a strategic level.

At the moment the Shishigui folks are attacking the Sect actively, the Twelve Stars are hostile but their Great Khan is still mustering, and the White Sky are off building a snow castle that is probably some kind of locus for the Iron Toothed Crone or something.

None of these factions are hostile amongst each other as of yet, but Twelve Stars doesn't like either of them very much and White Sky was actually a bit insulting to the Twelve Stars representative.

Given the forces arrayed here, White Sky doesn't matter and is strong so don't attack them as they're liable to just book it, Twelve Stars is too strong to attack and abduct so don't bother, which leaves the Shishigui and the space rock. Which leaves us making a move that doesn't actually significantly change or really improve the strategic situation at all unless we can secure the Starstone. If we do secure it, all we've done is keep it out of the hands of the White Sky so they can't use it as leverage against Twelve Stars, out of the hands of Twelve Stars so they can't spool up their mustering faster, and basically rip the Shishigui's bargaining position out from under them in this instance. But given the forces arrayed that seems very difficult to achieve.

I'm annoyed because we're basically left to pick an obvious path of least resistance, that basically hinges on the macguffin everyone here cares about. We could try for the White Sky in order to attempt a frame job on the Twelve Stars and Shishigui here and get the White Sky more hostile towards Twelve Stars but that's a bit of a long shot.
 
Beside LQ and CRX there where three others above the Foundation stage, in addition to Liao Zhu and Ruan Shen.

At best the assult force is seriously undergunned.
It's a valid point, along with @Thor's Twin's, which means the actual plan that potentially gets us in a winning position is the one that crushes one faction early and focuses on stacking the odds in our entire side's favor, something like:

[] Plan XCOM door breach:
-[][Guan Zhi] The Shishigui representatives
-[][CRX] The Shishigui representatives
-[][LQ] Weaken or eliminate the forces on the rim before empowerment can begin


Without the Shishigui to carry it that shiny rock probably isn't going anywhere, and this way gives our forces the largest advantage out of our surprise attack round.

EDIT: of course how important you think to have Guan Zhi on cyan-duel duty (plus his host of mid-greens) is variable, they're hardly gonna stand idle.
 
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[] Plan No Kill Like Overkill
-[][Guan Zhi] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[][Cai Renxiang] The Twelve Stars confederation representatives
-[][Ling Qi] Target Twelve Stars


semi-serious proposal. It might even cause the Twelve Stars to suspect they were sold out to the Empire.
 
Yeah, I'm talking about cementing the idea of "Yeah shishigui aren't worth it" entirely. Nuke the Shishigui into the ground and have our Cyan right behind us while Ling Qi gets the Starstone mostly secure
Uhhh

Except that right there is probably Blasphemy in their eyes so theyll step in to stop us from "desecrating the twelfth" or whatever that might mean
 
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