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All Whites are extreme outliers by definition.
And I think the outlier there was being politically active as a White.
Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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All Whites are extreme outliers by definition.
And I think the outlier there was being politically active as a White.
All Whites are outliers in some ways. But they still follow some rules as far as the empire was aware. Shenhua shat all over those rules with her mad dash. And Shao went from Violet to White in just a few years also.
And White´s being poltical active is rare but far from unheard of. See the Bai leader, most Emperors/Empress etc.
Move on as much as you like. Let's ignore the fact that it's the unreliable narrator, and recap his words:
Red Sun Kingdom's people got virtually genocided by the Sage, its cities and temples razed, its rivers choked to death, the already not fertile land became a twiated hellhole.
High Priestess surrendered, and got her revenge.
Then the Dragon came, and burned it all anew, leaving who knows how few survivors, before it was eventually driven off by the newly ascended Goddess.
Bai stayed clear of the mutated jungle, and no wonder, it's rationally not worth the trouble.
For the Red Jungle to fall, even temporarily, it has to be a work of irrational motives, conquest out of ideology or revenge or religion, not for materials and territory.
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[X] Plan: Whispering on the Wind
We should take a mod action so that we can practice before we start successesor making
We should take a mod action so that we can practice before we start successesor making
I think I like the empress.
Ignoring political power plays in favour of improving life for mortals? The audacity!
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- CA
Hmm, the Butcher's Domain doesn't actually seem that strong... Or, at least, it has a giant weakness.
I basically imagine high-level conflict as The Oldest Game from Sandman--you're basically embodying one of the concepts you've incorporated into yourself, and then your opponent has to respond with some concept that trumps it. The problem is that Grandpa Sun seems to have gone all-in on battle and war as his concepts, with "All For Family" as a sort of ur-justification to ward off self-doubt and enemy concepts related to Justice or Family or Loss, and while that's a very powerful frame in any life-versus-life conflict... Well, just how many Whites are going to have an exclusively human frame? Shenhua would stomp him, for example; she's a system, systems work mostly by taking outliers and crushing them down until they have to serve the system or die, and that's what the Goddess did to him. That's a pretty strong conceptual finisher. (I imagine she'd usually end fights with some variation of "And In Doing So, You Still Serve My Ends," but Whites don't have only one trick.)
It feels like so long as you focus on the "concept" instead of "embodied" in "embodied concept," then you're inhuman enough that fighting you isn't a "war" or a "battle." I imagine that Bai aren't really a problem to Grandpa Sun, though, since "fear" and "vengeance" and "cruelty" are very human frames and concepts.
I basically imagine high-level conflict as The Oldest Game from Sandman--you're basically embodying one of the concepts you've incorporated into yourself, and then your opponent has to respond with some concept that trumps it. The problem is that Grandpa Sun seems to have gone all-in on battle and war as his concepts, with "All For Family" as a sort of ur-justification to ward off self-doubt and enemy concepts related to Justice or Family or Loss, and while that's a very powerful frame in any life-versus-life conflict... Well, just how many Whites are going to have an exclusively human frame? Shenhua would stomp him, for example; she's a system, systems work mostly by taking outliers and crushing them down until they have to serve the system or die, and that's what the Goddess did to him. That's a pretty strong conceptual finisher. (I imagine she'd usually end fights with some variation of "And In Doing So, You Still Serve My Ends," but Whites don't have only one trick.)
It feels like so long as you focus on the "concept" instead of "embodied" in "embodied concept," then you're inhuman enough that fighting you isn't a "war" or a "battle." I imagine that Bai aren't really a problem to Grandpa Sun, though, since "fear" and "vengeance" and "cruelty" are very human frames and concepts.
Eleven thousand years.
It only took a thousands after the cataclysm that ended the Dragons reign and erased those human civilization without a trace for the first of the Bai and co to arise and remember, there is no place in this world that is not a deathworld.
They have had plenty of time to rebuild to their former strength.
Varder
Tired Cultist
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He learned it from the Bai themselves. He was their best general in his youth and adulthood, remember?
Ironic.
They couldn't. The land got permanently twisted, corrupted.
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this is the core rot in the White Caste of the time, and one of the reasons Suzhen has so much Metal and is so concerned with Order. The White Caste is a Tyrannical caste yes, but they are supposed to be the Benevolent Tyrants. With firm and strict rules and regulations administered with an even hand and steel heart.
A corrupt White Caste Bai would be entirely susceptible to Sun Shao's domain, but a Reformer is likely to be much more resilient because the Order, the System, the Bureaucracy. These are things that, as you said, are likely much more well matched against Shao.
And yet they had temple cities that the Sun took over like the one shown in the latest interlude. So they apprently could.
Thebigpieman
I've got this, I think.
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- United States
Just because somewhere is a twisted hellscape does not mean there won't be people who adapt to live in it.
Varder
Tired Cultist
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- Hell
And probably because Sun Shao couldn't have predicted Cai's mad dash Irrelevant -> White -> Duchess. Cai made a lot of waves with the Empress and with the Bai, probably helping them come to relatively peaceful terms.
It might seem smart or dutiful, but now she has to deal with a civil war in a century or two. A civil war that might include nuclear weapons. So, how those mortals coming?
What makes you think so? It certainly didn't seem like it was what was happening during Cai v Bai showmatch. Granted, Bai isn't White yet, but still.
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...Neither of those are true, as far as I recall?
Most acting Emperors are not actually White, although they often have a Whine family member acting as a backer, who may or may not have been the emperor before them. An may or may not have been an exception.
The Bai leader is, again, almost never a White.
In both of those cases, the White probably supercedes the leader in authority, and can take the reins or act in an emergency (the Shao crisis was that for the Bai, which is why a White was involved) but the general leading, ruling and politicing is , if I recall correctly, not done by the White.
Its the same Heir-Head-Elder relation other clans have, when the Elders have more authority but rarely use it, prefering to cultivate or enjoy their lives and power, that is the reason for political inactivity, which is why the leader of the clan or even the Emperor is not always the perso with the most power, but rather the person with the most power who can be bothered to rule. This is why a White whose Way lead it to be involved into politics, rather than act as backup is rare.
At least, this is what I have picked up/remember.
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- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
I think this is uncharitable to the Empress. I for one have some serious doubts as to the scale of a civil war should it break out. Second, we've only seen her from her edicts, we don't know the full game plan she is playing and where the old clans play a part in it.
DangerKitty
shoddy writter
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- lala land
yeah i think i remember their being something that is something like
young master: working to become the heir of the sect.
heir: responsible for managing some sect affairs and is preparing to take the reigns for when the current lead steps down.
current leader: runs the most important matters of the sect until a suitable heir is ready to take their place. once there is a suitable heir they step down and turn their focus to their cultivation
forget the name for this: former leaders of the clan. they focus on their cultivation and only step into clan matters if things start to go out of control.
i know i'm wrong on the nomenclature but this is how it works in broad strokes if i remember correctly. Advancing through the later stages takes too much work for a cultivator to do while heading a clan so the strongest people "in" the clan are actually the people who have stepped down because they can no longer advance any further without placing their full focus on their cultivation.
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In the Bai case the leader is White Realm. It is why they are waiting on Suzhen to hit White instead of her taking over the clan right away.
In the Emperors case they got enoug cheats and cash to usually the one the throne to White, we been told that is expected of the current Empress for example. There are exceptions in these cases tho with people that are weaker. They usually dont last long iirc.
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DangerKitty
shoddy writter
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- lala land
Ty for reminding me. I forgot to vote.
I dont really get the diff between the votes they seem super similar but i like this plan name lol
[X] Plan: Rainbows and Glitter
No, the current Bai patriarch is Prism, not White. This is a big point of contention for the sneks.
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- Third planet from the star named Sol
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[X] Plan: Rainbows and Glitter
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
Rainbows and Glitter does an exploration (rolling the gacha to see if we get something interesting), Whispering Wind uses that AP to modify Harmony of Dancing Wind so that we have some experience modding arts (in this case, a low-stakes art we don't super care about and which we only use one tech from) before we want to do it for real on arts we actually do care about, or before we make our own successor arts (which, logically, seems like something that builds from the same principles that allow you to mod arts).