Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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That imagery... now I'm imagining someone for whom masses of internal contradiction is their Way, who deliberately cultivates Heart Demons to unleash in physical form on their foes.

It... probably wouldn't be healthy.

The funny thing is that there's a Walt Whitman quote that even sounds kind of like some kind of Domain Insight:

"Do I contradict myself? Very well, then, I contradict myself; I am large--I contain multitudes."

Turn that into "I am legion" and I think we have your Heart Demon launcher cultivator. (Who maybe moonlights as a self-duplicator.)
 
While the strict reading of what Shenhua said is 'He'll come in the next tournament', I think Shenhua hasn't gotten where she is by not accepting people going beyond expectation, so if he comes to 800 before the tournament, it should be good imo.
A Merit invitation to an inferior rank might be a problem.

... That said, it seems likely the Sect is aware of that particular challenge, and are likely to issue invitations accordingly.
 
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Reassuring people during a crisis is actually very important.

Helping someone that is hurt, that you see get hurt, is not the same as going out to further some kind of heroic ideal. Do you really think that one kid was the only one in town that could have used help? Do you think su goes out of her way to find people that need help? Do you have any evidence that she aspires to make the world better?

The last one, in particular, would require politicking, which su seems allergic to.

Trope wise, su would be closer to a reluctant hero. She didn't set out to save people. But she's not the type to turn away from those that genuinely need aid.

Of the two, suyin was the idealist. Su is just a wandering good samaritan.
 
Personal guess at her motivation would be...if there were spandex and identity concealing masks she'd totally be out there wearing a set. :p
 
She desires to stop people from suffering harm (attack on sect), and to repair the damage done to those in front of her (farmer's kid). Reassuring people during a crises is important, yes, but Su Ling is just focused on their physical safety rather more than their emotional wellbeing. Emotions are complicated and messy. Stopping a spirit beast attacking, or helping a kid heal from damage that he would not have the resources to otherwise is much simpler.

I also note that you are referring to a discussion I am having with someone else and query why you view it as relevant.
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Not being some sort of Utilitarian Happiness Pump does not mean that someone is not motivated to stop others from suffering and I am not spekaing of 'furthering a heroic ideal'. Just helping people, and preventing them from coming to harm. Because they are people.

I don't know why you think that a person need to be actively seeking problems to fix to be motivated by helping people, and why you think that in the world this Quest is set in, politicking is required to do so. That's weird.

But you have not addressed my point: What makes you think Su Ling subscribes to the us-vs-them mentality that you described above, that will lead her to no longer caring about the well being and safety of those who do not have power? Evidence requested.
 
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A Merit invitation to an inferior rank might be a problem.

... That said, it seems likely the Sect is aware of that particular challenge, and are likely to issue invitations accordingly.
Bear in mind, his challenge was to maintain the outer sect's order until the end of the year and also to come in no worse than third in the tournament. Shenhua will almost certainly accept an early invite followed by clawing himself up above the tournament entry level as fulfilling the latter, but that won't necessarily mean she'll let him slide by on the former. Getting in early is something he can really only do if he's got some very good lieutenants.
 
There has been a miscommunication. They took my response to your point as if I were talking to them/responding to theirs, and my response to that lead to your post I'm quoting here.

I apologise for not tagging properly.

Anyway. I think the crux of the matter is su's stated plans for the future. She's outright said she plans to hole up until she can hunt down and kill her mother. She explicitly has nothing planned for afterwards, and i suspect that she doesn't expect to survive.

Su is very much defined by "opposition to the monster that made me". It's what she's about. It's her core motivation, although it's not the whole of her character.
It makes sense, if you think about it. She's probably dealt with comparisons to the old monster her whole life.

She practices and trains to kill a monster. It's her reason to for gaining strength. Her greatest fear is becoming the same as that monster. She even tried maiming herself because she grew a second tail.

Helping people is what she does because she is a compassionate. But helping others is not the goal she trains for, it's what she does because she cares.

Motivations are important for defining a way. Probably, if nothing changes, her domain and way will lean more towards monster slayer rather than shield of of the weak. Thing is, she still has time to think about it before committing anything to stone.

Typing all this shit out on a phone is a bitch. Neck is cramping, think I'll go do something else for a few hours.
 
She explicitly has nothing planned for afterwards, and i suspect that she doesn't expect to survive.
... I'd like to form stronger ties to life for Su Ling, but I don't think dragging her into noble social bullshit with people we don't know well is a good way to do that.

We should probably try to spend more time socializing with people for reasons other than "advancing the Cai's interests."

... I mean, there's reasons to do that beyond just having a better group to introduce Su Ling to, but it's a nice bonus.
 
I assure you, a person can identify with the group "people without power" and not care one whit for the wellbeng or safety of those people.

It could well be that Su Ling is aware of how bad it can be because of her experiences, makes perfect sense to me, but that is not enough to motivate a person to try and help people.

My read of your post is that Su Ling is going to transfer her attention from "helping protect people without power" to "other things", due to her identifying with peer group and an us-vs-them mentality.

I am saying that the reasons that she has to prevent the depredations of greater powers upon mortals now, are not going to change because of some tribalism.
Ok, upon reviewing how I wrote my comments, I can see how you got that impression (entirely due to me being bad at explaining). My initial point, that she defended normal people due to her considering part of her in group was, in restrospect wrong.

What I should have argued is that, her considering herself closer to them than to normal cultivator culture is what lead to her initial gesture to help them (helping heal the kid who got sick from the shaman) as she sympathized with how the sect didn't seem to care for the weak. In realizing this she was made aware of the problem, which lead her to pay closer attention to them, which gave some validation to that belief. I doubt that now that she is aware of how her friends become detached from mortals she would allow herself to fall to it, since she reasoned it is wrong already.

Thing is, I got the impression that the things included in a domain are truths that define us. On the mather of things that define her, the motivation for doing things is important, which leads me to question why she protects people. My impression is that the reason that happened is that she noticed the disparity in how cultivators don't seem to care for mortals much, decided she didn't want to be like that and thus acted accordingly. In that sense, her actions comes from Su Ling defining herself in opposition to the common cultivator. In that sense then yes, I do think that her initial acts to protect mortals and her being aware of their issues originally come from her identifying with them but you are right in that now that she is aware of the problem she can define herself beyond such thing as someone who does not want to ignore the plights of mortals due to being too focused on cultivation.

I am still somewhat doubtful though about whether this can be summed as a desire to protect the weak instead of her just remembering that they are people too unlike most cultivators. (Not that cultivators don't think they are people, it is just that they don't think that much about mortals to begin with)

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...Li Suyin and Su Ling are part of the same group. The only other member one can reasonably count as part of that group is Ling Qi herself.
I think they meant the production track, like that guy who hangs around Li Suyin because they share some projects and has a crush on her. Since the other friend of hers that we know about was Fatty the production track member, that is probably the kind of friends she can make here, people she can talk to about pill production. The alternative is Moon Sempai and scouts from the inner sect since she has her military service still ahead of her and will probably interact with them in the future.
 
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What a coincidence we have a shut in production nerd who yearns for friends and a brand new inner sect girl who served in a mission with him and finds him to be the most harmless sort.

Lol now I want some sort of Ranma 1/2 love train wreck with Xuan Shi, Gan Flexington, Fatty Hao, and Su Ling.
 
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Fair, but whether she does it because it is the right thing to do or because she once was like them is not the relevant question, I feel like. Neither has inherently more protective ability. The question that would give it is whether mortals should be harmed by the whims of the powerful, and I am pretty sure she has allready answered that.

That said, her Domain may not be strong enough to contain a Cyan fight as a Cyan regardless of insights, cuz Domain effects tend to be weaker than arts.
I am perhaps still failing to express myself properly. Yes, of course she has strong opinions as to whether mortals should be harmed by the whims of the powerful, but that's not enough. There's also a matter of who and what she sees herself as, and how she defines her place in that relationship. Even if her primary identity is that of a protector, it matters which kind. Is she the bright blade that gloriously smites the wicked for their transgressions? Is she the midnight knife that excises the corruption from this world? Is she the shield of the helpless, that guards them and keeps them safe? Is she a hunter of monsters? Is she the bitter warrior who does what must be done to protect the people of the empire from terrible foes in spite of the cost, because to stand by and leave it unprotected is even worse? All of these are ways that cultivators might reasonably self-identify as protectors of the weak, but some would be much more likely to sprout domain effects that reduce collateral damage to nearby peasants than others. I'm not saying that all of those are equally likely for the Su Ling we happen to know, but it's not like we necessarily know which one she's dialed into.
 
I am perhaps still failing to express myself properly. Yes, of course she has strong opinions as to whether mortals should be harmed by the whims of the powerful, but that's not enough. There's also a matter of who and what she sees herself as, and how she defines her place in that relationship. Even if her primary identity is that of a protector, it matters which kind. Is she the bright blade that gloriously smites the wicked for their transgressions? Is she the midnight knife that excises the corruption from this world? Is she the shield of the helpless, that guards them and keeps them safe? Is she a hunter of monsters? Is she the bitter warrior who does what must be done to protect the people of the empire from terrible foes in spite of the cost, because to stand by and leave it unprotected is even worse? All of these are ways that cultivators might reasonably self-identify as protectors of the weak, but some would be much more likely to sprout domain effects that reduce collateral damage to nearby peasants than others. I'm not saying that all of those are equally likely for the Su Ling we happen to know, but it's not like we necessarily know which one she's dialed into.
Su Ling's bond with Cibei (Justice Bat the Moon-spirit) kinda implies a shift towards something between the midnight knife and hunter of monster options. There's still a fair bit of fuzzyness, of course, but so far she does seem to be leaning towards wanting to Hunt Things Down for Great Justice.
 
Su Ling's bond with Cibei (Justice Bat the Moon-spirit) kinda implies a shift towards something between the midnight knife and hunter of monster options. There's still a fair bit of fuzzyness, of course, but so far she does seem to be leaning towards wanting to Hunt Things Down for Great Justice.
"It is frightening, but you performed beautifully, my master. Through your benevolence, lives were saved and is that not enough?" Su Ling glanced at up at the feeling of the weight on her head shifting, tiny claws finding purchase in her thick, curly hair.

"That's one way to look at it Ci," she drawled, glancing up to see her spirit's fuzzy snub nosed face peering down at her. Mostly it just reminded her how irrelevant she was.

"Please do not shorten my name Master, I am proud to be Cibei, the mercy which raise up those trodden upon by injustice!" The little bat said with a frustrated squeak. Though she early second realm now, the spirit hadn't grown much larger, wasn't the type for it, and that suited Su Ling just fine.
Sounds more like Cibei identifies as helping those who were done an injustice and also in saving lives and not killing monsters.
The two tasks might often overlap, but where they do not it's important.
 
Su Ling's bond with Cibei (Justice Bat the Moon-spirit) kinda implies a shift towards something between the midnight knife and hunter of monster options. There's still a fair bit of fuzzyness, of course, but so far she does seem to be leaning towards wanting to Hunt Things Down for Great Justice.
She is going to become batwoman?
 
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