Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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I think Xuan Shi has interesting aspects to his character, it's just never been apparent to me how people find him interesting in conjunction with Ling Qi. The relationship is kind of...hmm? He's helpful sometimes, and we've talked some, and....honestly he just doesn't stick in my mind for me.

Ultimately I'm Just not very titillated by the shipping ideal of (what I've seen Thread people describe as) "two bottoms miserably failing to make a move" lol.
One thing I notice about Xuan Shi is exactly how much of a geek he is. He's bookish and smart. He has his own weird little (erotic) fandom that he cares about perhaps more than is entirely good for him. He's not particularly good at the emotional side of things, and responds to that by leaning on the logical. His social skills are not great, but he's put a decent bit of effort into being inoffensive. He even did the plausibly deniable date thing where he literally invited the girl he likes to go adventuring with him as a couple through a formation strongly themed after an erotic romance novel, where that theming explicitly required a couple for the obvious thematic reasons, and at the end she still hadn't realized he meant it as anything but a friend. He's more of a production cultivator than a combat cultivator, and much of the combat power he has he's developed by leveraging his intellect... and then using it for a support/protection role. Of all the potentially eligible men in this story, he is the one that would most fit into the demographic of people who hang out in xianxia-themed messageboard quests and argue about potential waifu/husbando for fictional characters.

People tend to value those positive traits which they themselves possess, and be somewhat more forgiving of the negative. It is natural. I suspect he's getting at least a bit of a boost from that.

The two other guys that have courted us this far are, honestly, less interesting than him.
I find it interesting that you discard them so directly, and give more feedback on those who haven't courted her. I mean, Gu Rejected was a lousy choice because he really didn't have that much to offer, but Qian? I also note that you discard mudboy out of hand with the "meh, not interesting" label. I mean, I personally don't think he can really compete, but he's not nothing.
 
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I find it interesting that you discard them so directly, and give more feedback on those who haven't courted her. I mean, Gu Rejected was a lousy choice because he really didn't have that much to offer, but Qian? I also note that you discard mudboy out of had with the "meh, not interesting" label. I mean, I don't think he can really compete, but he's not nothing.

I actually forgot about mudboy, wow. Yeah, if we actually kept in touch he could maybe be interesting, but we didn't.

As for the 2 guys who tried to court us... Well, both seem like they are walking in eggshells constantly. The Qiao guy feels more like a good bussiness partner or a manager than someone we have actual chemistry. I think that, honestly, what bothers me the most is that, in trying to let us breath, he doesn't seem to actually exhibit many of his personality traits, the only thing I can think that makes him somewhat unique is his ambitions.
 
Xuan Shi is just boring? Like yeah, sure, he is rich. But as a person, he is just... boring to me. Liao Zhu or Shen Hu or Wang or Luo boys are not the greatest, but they at least feel like they are alive. Xuan Shi just doesn't feel alive to me.
 
I love Xuan Shi. Always have.
I think that part of the problem is we live so firmly in Ling Qi's head. And he is such a reserved respectful character. Don't get a lot of insight in who he is and what he wants from us unlike the more extroverted characters.
Let's think on his positive traits we have seen so far.
- polite and respectful
- loyal
- willing to be a defender
- intelligent (go so far to even say super nerdy)
- romantic fanboy
- I think he is into us.

Cons
- ducal families and politics
- our brother has jealousy issues
- we don't really know what he looks like :(
 
I wonder if Quingge is gonna demand a list of suitors xD
"Nonono, girl not those who you think are into you, everyone!"

- we don't really know what he looks like :(

I'm quite fine with Xuan Shi, though I still favorite Shen Hu (higher chill less reservedness).
In my mind Bao Quian, is also really good because he complements Ling Qi so very well, but I can't really see the sparks flying there. He really needs a tragic backstory *sage nod*.
 
The rest I'm not going to comment on, but if we're using Zhengui as part of the argumentation we really need to pin down the boundaries with him. Is he a little brother and hence entitled to an opinion, however minor, or a son, in which case he has (maybe) veto rights?

Like, this is not a one-off issue either: how much say does Hanyi have? Or Sixiang?

Ironically, pinning something like this down might actually help deal with the heart demon as it's distantly related to what made it happen in the first place. I
 
I've been thinking about this, and I am coming down on the dislike side for Xuan Shi. It's about communication.

I just feel like he hides every thing he can instinctively- his feelings, his appearance, his actual meanings on sentences. And I can respect the mystery of that and like him as a friend, but that is definitely something I shy away from as a partner. And with the levels of baggage LQ has, I cannot see any relationship that doesn't have good communication lasting.

There is an obvious path towards warning up to him: he needs to stop hiding as much. Talk to us in a way that isn't designed to be as obscure as possible. Show us more than fingertips and eyes. Tell us why he likes us and spends his time doing us favors.

It's less two bottoms being frustrating and more that I have no idea about deeper compatibility, and it feels like a setup where we only get the answers *after* we commit. As it is, I feel like we can read a lot into him, which is why people seen to like him, but I can't get into the idea of him as is.

No vunerability=no trust=no romance.

So I hope he talks to us clearly when we confront him about this.



Edit: I hate the trashing of romance storylines and this whole 'keep the boring romance plotlines out' attitude. It basically smacks of despising feminine things for being feminine, and I strongly believe that, given its one of the largest reasons anyone does anything, keeping it out of stories renders then flat and empty. LQ likes muscular boys, and has trauma around men that looms over her socially. This had been both a painful plot point and a humorous one at times, but it does need to be followed up on, at least in my opinion. LQ isn't going to escape herself that easily.
 
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[X] Find a way to broach the subject, and figure out what he wants. You don't want him to misinterpret things.
 
Xuan Shi has always come across as reserved, and somewhat plain. And those things are what I like most about him. I've read so very many stories where the MC and romantic interest are both charasmatic extroverts. I want my nerdy bumbling idiotic introvert romance.
 
I've been thinking about this, and I am coming down on the dislike side for Xuan Shi. It's about communication.

I just feel like he hides every thing he can instinctively- his feelings, his appearance, his actual meanings on sentences. And I can respect the mystery of that and like him as a friend, but that is definitely something I shy away from as a partner. And with the levels of baggage LQ has, I cannot see any relationship that doesn't have good communication lasting.

There is an obvious path towards warning up to him: he needs to stop hiding as much. Talk to us in a way that isn't designed to be as obscure as possible. Show us more than fingertips and eyes. Tell us why he likes us and spends his time doing us favors.

It's less two bottoms being frustrating and more that I have no idea about deeper compatibility, and it feels like a setup where we only get the answers *after* we commit. As it is, I feel like we can read a lot into him, which is why people seen to like him, but I can't get into the idea of him as is.

No vunerability=no trust=no romance.

So I hope he talks to is clearly when we confront him about this.

Honestly, I do not think he is actually hiding stuff. To me, he seems to be just an introvert and a dork, kind of like Lin Qi. Plus, introvert or extrovert, we need to actually, ya know, become closer before any real deep vulnerabilities are revealed, this is true for anyone, not just love interests. We haven't spent with him the time we did with CRX or Meizhen or Xiulan, people who, you know, actually confided their vulnerabilities to us. We haven't even spent as much time with him as we did with Han.

Xuan Shi has always come across as reserved, and somewhat plain. And those things are what I like most about him. I've read so very many stories where the MC and romantic interest are both charasmatic extroverts. I want my nerdy bumbling idiotic introvert romance.

Try Beastars. Only the male person of this relationship is introvert in this one, true, but he is worth 10 normal introverts in all honesty. He has the big dork.
 
I find Xuan Shi cute and adorable, and honestly I like him better than Bao Qian, though that's partly because I'm not feeling stuff about him yet. Bao Qian to me is a friendly and cooperative businessman who so far has been accommodating and a bit understanding to Ling Qi, which gives him plus points. Meanwhile Xuan Shi is an introvert through and through, hiding behind his hat and shows all the signs of a shy boy, at the same time he is a big chunni nerd with sense of adventures in a romantic sense, which appeals to me a bit. Him being a ducal and having cool super moves (like that Rho Aias counter he did to that Green 7 Shihigui) are just bonus points.

Do I ship him and Ling Qi? Nah, in fact I don't ship Ling Qi with anyone (yet). I want Ling Qi to get over her own issues first before I really want to think about seriously shipping her with people. That and I want to get to know more about characters.
 
Mostly I want Ling Qi to get more practice having difficult conversations about romance. Xuan Shi is likely a safe person to get that practice with.

Is there a chance that he starts actually courting her after this? Maybe? Most likely this is going nowhere and that's fine.
 
[X] Find a way to broach the subject, and figure out what he wants. You don't want him to misinterpret things.

 
[X] Find a way to broach the subject, and figure out what he wants. You don't want him to misinterpret things.
 
[X] Find a way to broach the subject, and figure out what he wants. You don't want him to misinterpret things.

Might as well clear the air. I doubt it will lead to anything, and I don't see them working well as a couple, but he seems like a safe choice for her to experiment with dating.
 
I wonder if there are arts for seeing someone else's way? If we could see all of someone's insights it would give a fairly good summary of their character.
 
I know that this quest has moved on from the pure mechanics votes, preferring to abstract in the bg. And I like that as someone more invested in the narrative anyway. But I genuinely don't know what we are saying in the subtext of these votes. Can we get it clear spelled out? Which one allows us to keep a line of interest/potentially develop the relationship with Xuan Shi? I could see both as interpreted that way? Or both being a let down/lack of interest.
 
I know that this quest has moved on from the pure mechanics votes, preferring to abstract in the bg. And I like that as someone more invested in the narrative anyway. But I genuinely don't know what we are saying in the subtext of these votes. Can we get it clear spelled out? Which one allows us to keep a line of interest/potentially develop the relationship with Xuan Shi? I could see both as interpreted that way? Or both being a let down/lack of interest.

That's up to Ling Qi and Xuan Shi.

Our choice is whether they should have a conversation about where they stand or not.
 
I know that this quest has moved on from the pure mechanics votes, preferring to abstract in the bg. And I like that as someone more invested in the narrative anyway. But I genuinely don't know what we are saying in the subtext of these votes. Can we get it clear spelled out? Which one allows us to keep a line of interest/potentially develop the relationship with Xuan Shi? I could see both as interpreted that way? Or both being a let down/lack of interest.
I don't think this is a romance "route" vote. It's a question of whether LQ wants to maintain the status quo by ignoring the information that she has just gotten, or act on the information and clarify where she and Xuan Shi stand.

I am pretty sure that when yrsillar gives us an "open this route" or a "lock in this route" vote, we'll know.
 
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