Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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Meizhen pursed her lips, looking away. "It is impossible to relate to others without hurting and being hurt in turn. We fear, and we are feared," her words sounded final, as if to her it was some absolute truth. "But pains and fears have worth, when they bring us the happiness of companionship. There is more to strength than raw might."
Sounds like we just heard some of Meizhen's domain insights. I expect "We fear and we are feared" is why she was scaring the piss out of everyone back when she was fresh into the third realm.

I'll let math cabal decide what's good for Hanyi.
 
"It is impossible to relate to others without hurting and being hurt in turn. We fear, and we are feared," her words sounded final, as if to her it was some absolute truth.
This sounds like the insight Meizhen got from the lake kiss incident with Qi, now shared back at her. It's good that Meizhen saw the pain that caused both of them as a way to understand her friend.

And how she understands Qi. She really didn't pull her punches but she displayed insight into her friends mind that not even Sixiang or Qi herself could match. Noticing how troubled she is, seeing the differences in her behavior.
"Is it something you are willing to speak of?" Meizhen asked cautiously.
She's just so patient with her! She knows how Ling Qi works, how you can't corner her but must instead draw her out like a scared, hungry little creature. No one but Qi herself has ever gone so far as to call her selfish but Meizhen understands her behaviors and the various dispositions behind them. Above all this chapter shows how much Meizhen cares about Qi, how much she means to her when she is struggling with the very desire for connection that saw a scion of the Bai befriend a lowly thief and help her on her way. This chapter was just beautiful, the best one I can remember because we've never really gotten to see just how close these two are.
 
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Let's shore up her defenses a bit and help her effect our enemies with her debuffs.

[][Dress] Physical Avoid, Spiritual Avoid
[][Talisman] Spiritual Hit
 
@yrsillar
Night
The art Cai Renxiang's archivist dug up for me helped a lot, but I doubt the lessons it's trying to teach would have sunk in without Sixiang."
We haven't touched any of the Cai arts yet, the arts trained during the Sixiang arc were socials we picked up from the sect archive (though I wouldn't mind if a few of those get retconned into being part of the Cai package).
 
I think we should get offensive and initiative.

[][Dress] Initiative, Spiritual Hit
[][Talisman] Physical Hit

Edit: Thanks for letting me know.
 
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[][Dress] Initiative, Offence Dance
[][Talisman] Offence Vocals
Besides Initiative, those are not legal choices for this; the items augment derived attributes, not skills. Here, for reference, is the list from the tutorial threadmark.
Derived Attributes form the basis of most combat ability and challenges in this quest, barring direct tests of Base attributes. Derived attributes are formed by the averaging of either two attributes or an attribute and a skill. The Derived attributes used in this quest are as follows.

Health: Measured by the average of Stamina and Qi, determines how much injury a cultivator can withstand before being incapacitated. Injury will gradually penalize this attribute.

Speed: Measures the characters ability to quickly cover distances, created through the average of the higher of Strength or Dexterity, and the athletics skill

Initiative: Measures the characters reaction time, and the order in which they react. Determined by Wits and Dexterity

Combat Perception: measures the characters ability to pick up on details and keep track of multiple factors in combat, determined by Wits and Perceptiveness.

Social Perception: measures the characters ability to keep track of important factors in social situations. Determined by Manipulation and Empathy

Hit: The characters accuracy in combat, divided into physical and spiritual. Uses dexterity and an appropriate mastery for physical. Uses manipulation or wits plus mastery for spiritual

Penetration: How hard a characters attacks hit in combat, divided into physical and spiritual. Uses Strength and mastery for physical, and Intelligence or presence plus mastery for spiritual

Avoid: The characters ability to avoid attacks in combat, divided into physical and spiritual. Uses Dex and mastery for physical, and manipulation or wits for spiritual

Armor: The characters ability to withstand attacks in combat, divided into physical and spiritual. In effect, reduces damage and mitigates debuffs of the appropriate type. Uses Stamina and mastery for physical and Resolve or Composure plus mastery for spiritual.

In combat the author will compare the combatants derived attributes, then taking into account the effects of techniques, environmental factors and plans, and determine outcomes in an organic fashion arising from this. Please remember that the system's primary function is to give readers who prefer a a crunchier view a point of comparison between the protagonist and any opponents in a combat, as well as provide a concrete measure of growth for the simulation aspects. It does not exist to determine exact outcomes through pure math.

Having an avoid higher than an enemies armor does not guarantee that they will always miss, but it does make it more likely, and the greater the discrepancy in ranks, the more likely those misses become, but there are no exact percentages or dice rolls involved.
 
I think we should get offensive and initiative.

[][Dress] Initiative, Offence Vocals
[][Talisman] Offence Dance
You are likely meaning to use either Spiritual Hit (to hit more likely with Spiritual Attacks), Physical Hit (to hit more likely with Physical Attacks) or Spiritual/Physical Penetration which works against enemy Spiritual/Physical Armor.
 
FWIW I think it strengthens the narrative to have the art that is helping her a lot be something she picked out for herself.
 
Dio "Two Lewds" medon floated this idea, and I like it a lot:

[][Dress] Physical Armor, Health

Hanyi has native health drain techniques, so expanding her health bank has some synergy there. Besides that, her spiritual armor is solid, while her physical armor is rock bottom.
 
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Alright. So the vote.

Discussions in the math cabal favor p.armor + health. Defense and her squishiness is one of our big concerns about her, and meshes best with her dress. @Black Noise points out that our domain actually does a lot for S.def, while p.armor in particular is something she's very weak in but we don't buff as much and is a very common threat. Health is a derived attribute, is generally very useful for addressing squishiness, and synergises with her whole ice vampire thing in interesting ways if @yrsillar allows it.

[][Dress] Phys. Armor, Health

Accessory is more up in the air. Combat-wise, it would seem logical to boost her offense. I'd favour hit over pen given that I see her CC and debuffs as most valuable here:
[][Talisman] Spiritual/Music? Hit

Alternatively, an idea I had was a social talisman. Given Hanyi is a lot more social than Zhengui, is prone to causing problems, and will apparently be coming to parties now helping her there might be a good idea. She also seems to want to interact in society and be seen as cool and respected imo, so this could help play off that?

Options there are poise or perception. Argument for poise from @naths is that biggest risk is her being baited. Argument for perception is that her problems come from not really noticing people's feelings, and also that being able to tell when people are up to no good can also help with being baited. Also different fluff and messages from LQ arguably? Either could work I think.

[][Talisman] Poise
[][Talisman] Social Perception
 
"But what can I do? A rhetorical question obviously. What I can do is become so powerful that nobody can threaten those close to me or take them away again. Another rhetorical question: what am I doing?"
Sentence got cut off. FTFY
Ling Qi's not taking it well.
"I suppose someone will have to take the place of your taste, with Gu Xiulan absent."

"I am not that bad," Ling Qi scoffed, leaning back in her seat. It was good to spend time with her best friend.
I agree
[x][Dress] The foofiest dress in the market.
 
Meizhen pursed her lips, looking away. "It is impossible to relate to others without hurting and being hurt in turn. We fear, and we are feared," her words sounded final, as if to her it was some absolute truth. "But pains and fears have worth, when they bring us the happiness of companionship. There is more to strength than raw might."

These sound like two separate Domain Insights for Meizhan.

I imagine that there was a knife fight to decide on them in the Meizhan Negaverse with blood and bile spilling far and wide.
 
It's the social defense counterpart to social perception.
Got it. So Social Perception helps get a read on people, and Poise prevents people from getting a read on you? Between those things, I think Perception is better, because it might help her realize when she's being baited and generally deal better with people very different from her, but it's hard to say.
 
On the sp.def thing:
  • LQ's active domain at SL3 currently boosts Hayni by: +10 sp.Avoid, +15 sp.Armor.
  • Once she gets SL4 it'll increase to: +30 sp.Avoid, +20 sp.Armor, +1 rank to both (up to LQ's).
  • So while her current numbers are ~C15/~B15 sp.Avoid/Armor, at SL4 it'll be closer to A/A.
In the meantime, SNR (trained next turn) offers an area coverage instant and a persistent p+sp.armor buff, and Zhengui alrady has his limited-use redirect-to-self for spiritual attacks.

P.Armor is comparatively harder to increase, and a combined p.armor+health main talisman should help her suitability a lot.
 
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"Jesting aside, are you truly well, Qi?" Meizhen's voice reached her ears on subtle rhythms of thunder, emanating from the pillar of black water which occupied her friend's place in the spiritual world. The predatory plate sized golden eyes which stared out from those depths, implying a horror that lay beneath. Ling Qi knew those slitted eyes held only concern for her though, and so the primal fear washed from her mind like the water from a duck's feathers.

I love that aesthetic of appearing to be the living embodiment of fear and destruction, but those who know them only see their goodness and compassion.

Ling Qi took a shuddering breath and reset her stance to the start of the dance. "It hurt to see Xiulan go. It hurt even more to know that my family was in danger and I was nowhere nearby," Ling Qi replied, forcing herself to resume the exercise. She felt Sixiang's arms around her shoulders, and her friends genuine concern, and the cold feeling that had arisen receded. "But what can I do?"

"Little," Meizhen replied sadly. "But I worry Ling Qi, what I have heard from you recently… You have always been adaptable, for the most part, but it is a large change. Are you certain that you are not haring off with new cultivation and arts to bury other concerns."

"Maybe a little," Ling Qi said, the honest words coming easily. Because it was Meizhen. It was easier to keep advancing, to keep marking off tasks from her mental checklist, to keep going with her day.

Yes, the allure of further developing our character build is one this thread can understand.

"Don't be unfair to yourself," Sixiang said quietly, their voice, tickling her ear. Her volume shifted, clearly addressing Meizhen. "I wasn't helping. I had my own troubles, and she helped me out, but the realization she had in doing it was genuine."

Again she stepped and she spun, riding out the whorl to glide across the ruined stones as her friend replied. "Is that so? And what realization was that, spirit?"

"That I had been making a lot of mistakes," Ling Qi said wryly. "Out of apathy, out of pride, out of a lot of things. The art Cai Renxiang's archivist dug up for me helped a lot, but I doubt the lessons it's trying to teach would have sunk in without Sixiang."

The pillar of black, poisonous waters which represented Meizhen in her vision shuddered and swelled as the eyes within cut through her like knives, peering past her words and into her heart. "...I am not unhappy that you are no longer emulating my poorer habits," Meizhen said quietly. "If you feel that what you are doing now is truer to the self you wish to be, than I will merely be happy for you."

Qi adopting a more personalized social approach is definitely a cool narrative thing.

"I can't stop pushing forward. I can't slow down. There's still so much path to travel," Ling Qi said frustrated. "But… I feel like I keep hurting the people I care about in pursuing my goal. Zhengui wants to fight beside me, but I keep leaving him behind. Because it always seems like the best option in the moment. My mother wants to be part of my life, but she's only barely a cultivator and there's so little she can do. And, if it keeps going like this, I'm going to leave others behind. Li Suyin just barely reached full third realm and I'm already heading for the fourth step. Xiulan almost killed herself trying to keep up with me!" The words poured out in an ugly torrent, and she lost the step of her dance, stumbling as reality reasserted itself. "She opened her eyes, turning to look at Meizhen seated upon the stone, looking at her with worried eyes.

"I don't want to be alone again, but I can't stop growing stronger."

Fucking loved this. She knows it isn't fair, she knows that her talent is a precious gift that puts her above most of her peers, she cannot possibly do anything but continue sprinting up the power ladder, but she is cripplingly aware of what it is doing. Particularly that awareness of Xiulan and why she was so viscerally desperate. So many conflicting desires. She clings so hard to her loved ones, but lonely is the path of cultivation.

Meizhen stared at her for a long moment, her eyes fractionally wider than usual, an expression that would have been gaping in surprise for anyone else. "...Ling Qi, you cannot expect everyone in your life to match your cultivation. That is a path which holds only pain."

"I know that," Ling Qi replied, frustrated. "But… what would you do, if Cui stalled out in the third realm? How would you deal with that?"

"Do not ever let her hear you posit such a thing," Meizhen huffed. "But… I would make room in my life for my cousin, no matter her strength. Those who rule must be the strongest, else we would collapse into warlordism and chaos, but there are many roles in this world which are not ruling. You cannot remain connected to others without giving of yourself. To imagine otherwise is utter selfishness, more than even you have displayed at your worst."

Meizhen's words cut, but… she wasn't wrong. "I don't want to hurt them," she whispered. "I know I can't be like that, but how do you reconcile that with cultivation?"

Meizhen pursed her lips, looking away. "It is impossible to relate to others without hurting and being hurt in turn. We fear, and we are feared," her words sounded final, as if to her it was some absolute truth. "But pains and fears have worth, when they bring us the happiness of companionship. There is more to strength than raw might."

Meizhen, you are a treasure.
 
"Maybe," Ling Qi said, flopping down upon her favorite stone. "We're running out of time though."

"What do you mean by that?" Meizhen asked sharply.
So these two just had an earnest conversation in which Meizhen expressed worry about Ling Qi's well being while she herself was troubled by her own recklessness. Then Ling Qi casually hints that she'll be going on another deliberate adventure soon to which Meizhen immediately relies:
"LingQi,whattheFUCK!"
 
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Thanks @ChronOblivion for the rundown and for reminding me to actually comment on the chapter instead of going straight into the vote. Yeah, this was great. Exactly what I was hoping for: Ling Qi talking about herself and her concerns to one of the only people who can actually understand and who, equally importantly, can give advice LQ might actually listen to, because if you can't trust a scion of the White Serpent Bai to know what she's talking about when it comes to cultivation and ambition, you can't trust anyone.
 
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