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No those have "This isn't a killing machine it just hands out popcorn." stenciled on them. I fail to see how they couldn't understand that.
The Lords of Ruin -- Battletech/Killzone
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IDK, maybe the FedSuns are partially based on the Orleanist monarchy since it's technically a constitutional monarchy and the title of First Prince could be seen as an attempt by House Davion to portray themselves as more humble Citizen Kings.
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Yeah pretty much, while the local system governments are a hot mess as with most great houses (I mean come on i cant be the only one confused that the Combine allows so many socialist states and organizations that hold substantial power to exist, yet for some reason see's the existence of the Norse as a bridge to far.) The over all structure for the Fedsuns above that is Constitutional Monarchy. I recall as segment that went into this more in the source book for House Davion, but as i repeated a few times before it's weirdly not illegal to overthrow a leader, even a regional governor if enough people decide it is required. The main issue is that said Regional governor is either friends or Family of the Davions.
In the outback's case the Duke is family, and with federal troops moving in the law that allows for the removal and change of government is now closing fast. For the main details im talking about, look to page 118-119 of the Davion source book. Reading the fine print should already ring alarm bells with the previous context of the latest update.
Edit: Correct me if im wrong, but ive yet to see heisk be proclaimed military governor yet of the Outback. But if so, then things are already beyond the law in terms of peaceful resolution.
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My guess is that the authors of BT (given their political inclinations) see communism as a fundamentally oriental ideology and, as such, is not counter to the Combine's policies of cultural supremacy.
There's this nice Prager U video that has Nigel Farage (a far right UK politician) as the talking head explaining how democracy was actually spread by the British colonial Empire. Basically the argument goes as such: Democracy is bornt out of english exceptionalism and it is thanks to the english teaching other barbarous people that nowadays there are so many democracies.
Democracy is an anglo-saxon idea (and if they feel generous it might also be a european idea) while dictatorships (which Farage usually equates to left wing ideologies) are barbarous ideas (barbarian, in this case, basically means everyone the british subjugated).
There's this nice Prager U video that has Nigel Farage (a far right UK politician) as the talking head explaining how democracy was actually spread by the British colonial Empire. Basically the argument goes as such: Democracy is bornt out of english exceptionalism and it is thanks to the english teaching other barbarous people that nowadays there are so many democracies.
Democracy is an anglo-saxon idea (and if they feel generous it might also be a european idea) while dictatorships (which Farage usually equates to left wing ideologies) are barbarous ideas (barbarian, in this case, basically means everyone the british subjugated).
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Mal-3
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The "technically" is doing a lot of heavy lifting; in terms of what's actually shown the Davions are a lot closer to Bourbon absolutism than Orleanist or even end-stage Bonapartist constitutionalism.
This is I think a stray conceptual fragment from Traveller that never got properly reconciled. In Traveller the main human empire tended to be a lot more hands-off about local affairs than the nations of BattleTech have ever been portrayed as. It's easier to get away with an entire sector being demsoc in the Third Imperium because the Imperium doesn't really care so long as the taxes are paid and the Republic of Whereever doesn't try to seize the Imperial Navy's facilities. The BattleTech factions are honestly too ideological for that kind of laissez faire attitude to make sense.
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And yet at this point it's so ingrained into not just combine lore but setting lore that trying to remove it just courses more problems then fixes them. Thanks FASA. At least it gives us a interesting talking piece about the weird mindset of the Combine work under. Since man, once you get past the Honor spiel they are a TRIP to read.
Like Hohiro "Heath care is cringe" Kurita effectively pissing off everyone including the Phone company , yet didn't die until like his 80s. And somehow not utterly wreck said Socialists and other groups anymore then everyone else. I have no idea how that works. And im frankly scared to try and comprehend how.
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The outback does not exist as a single discrete administrative unit in the Federated Suns. Its more like "the south" in US politics, complete with confusion and disagreement over what counts as the south. I made an explanation below, but the long and short of it is that the good duke is taking the opportunity to act as a "decisive leader" with the majority of the worlds smoldering in revolt not being part of his demesne.
We have the rough list of the number of systems being restive here:
A lot of ideologies draw their strength from the ex-taurian worlds with all but two or three of the outback worlds mentioned in the recent update being ex-TC despite them being less than half of the FS worlds currently on fire.* Which is damned awkward all around.
*Depending on how you count the Pleiades Cluster.
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Very much, but the point still remains that as far as i can see, he has yet to be Proclaimed Military governor of any of these regions. Meaning all these "laws" he's passing may or may not be legal save for the fact he's a Duke, related to the ruling Monarch, and no one has stopped him. As such untill he is proclaimed Military governor a lot of what he's doing can be argued as being illegal, even under the fact he's Duke, more so infact considering he's as you said. Reaching over his jurisdiction into other dukedoms, which besides said dukes not voicing objection have no permision behind them.
This is the main crux of the issue, sunless next turn he's given emergency powers of a Military governor and the Fedsun publicly state the Crucis March and Capellan march regions are in open rebellion. Alot of what he's doing can be held over his head should said protections not be granted once this situation is over.
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WilyMachineKing1
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Seems like the work of politics once more.
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Not my ideal plan but I've not found the spoons to write my own.
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... They're up to date. Most of the small stuff including mechs and ASF updates have been relegated to the background. It's only when we need to introduce something new that requires RP.
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If that was the way it worked we wouldn't have had to devote requisition actions to upgrading the Hastas or the Titans since they would have just been upgraded in the background instead.
Until @prometheus110 chimes in to give us word of QM on this I think we can safely say that if we want our equipment to be up to date then we have to devote effort towards it so I'm going to error on the side of caution until then and if I'm wrong you can tell me "I told you so".
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I'm pretty sure I have stated previously that things like tanks and shit will use the latest versions of tech, within reason. I can't recall where, though.
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I'm not sure you did but I'm not willing to trawl through nearly 900 pages to see if I'm wrong.
So do we need to spend effort on modernising the ATACs and SPGs then?
and what things do we need to spend effort on?
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Titans were last visibly updated years ago, way before the QM deemed that mechs would become part of the background. Hastas and other naval designs still required RP for modernization designs.
If you want to fill in the gaps though, build a design or just write something in the thread without having to waste RP. Then ask @prometheus110 to put it in the Order of Battle.
[x] Prep and Strike
Helghan Republic
-[x] Construct a military defence station over [Contrilla]
-[x] Move 2 divisions, along with a substantial amount of police (both military and civilian) to New Oslo, and contact the leaders of the various equatorial powers with an ultimatum/offer.
The ultimatum is that they will hand over (or assist us in apprehending) both the rabble-rousing priests who incited the attacks on our people and schools and culprits who carried them out, as well as stop any further attacks. Failure to comply will result in military intervention due to harboring terrorists.
The offer consists essentially of various ways out, due to the way our ultimatum places the rulers of the equatorial nations between a rock and a hard place (by making it likely that they'll end up dead or deposed due to either our actions, or their various vassals/subjects, depending on whether they reject or accept our ultimatum). They can either just flat-out join us, under the same conditions as the polar nations, and with the same benefits, or they can leave and get a golden parachute (of reasonable size) for themselves and anyone they want to bring with them (again, within reason) while turning control over their former territory over to us. We're willing to accommodate various face-saving measures (faked death, them "retiring due to ill health" in favor of a relative willing to work with us, marriage alliance that'll see their territory absorbed by one of our polar nation protectorates, whatever), once more within reason.
- -[x] Our troops, meanwhile will provide security against any further attacks, and, depending on the outcome of the ultimatum/negotiations, assist our police forces in apprehending the culprits and inciting priests for trial, or conduct the military intervention to make the apprehension possible.
Taurian Concordat
-[x] Construct additional waystations
ORDI Actions
-[x] Dispatch Material Aid (Heavy Weapons, Mandate): With the Celestial Mandate undergoing a civil war, rebel forces need material aid now more than ever. On the plus side, we no longer need to smuggle them in! [-16,000,000 C-Bills]
-[x] Dispatch Material Aid (Combat Vehicles, Mandate): With the Celestial Mandate undergoing a civil war, rebel forces need heavy metal to help level the playing field. On the plus side, we no longer need to smuggle them in! [-40,000,000 C-Bills]
Operation Pluto (Mandate Intervention)
-[x] Target Will to Fight [Easy]: By targeting Mandate loyalists with propaganda, we can hopefully attack their will to fight against rebels and possibly even convince some to swap sides.
-[x] Mass Decapitation Strike [Medium]: By covertly deploying cybernetically-enhanced special forces units through rebel-held space and holding them near the targets, we can trigger a massive decapitation strike against Mandate personnel at our leisure
-[x] Air and Space Monitoring Disruption [Medium]: Using those agents not forced to evacuate due to the chaos of the civil war, we can attempt to blind Mandate Air and Space sensors during the initial invasion period.
-[x] Sabotage Nuclear Defences [Hard]: Using agents across the Mandate, we can attempt to sabotage all known and suspected nuclear weapon systems before they can be turned against our forces.
-[x] Begin Operation Pluto (Failure to detail a plan will have me do a good faith interpretation but you can't complain about it).
- -[x] Declare war in support of the rebels against the repressive government of the Mandate. Offer a one-time get out of jail free card to any Mandate rulers that will surrender their persons, systems, and armed forces prior to being sieged. Announce that the use of nuclear weapons will be considered reason to retaliate with orbital bombardment against military targets as subject to the Ares Conventions. Deploy seven Hastas to the systems of Nukus, Shiba, Niomede, Principia, Sax, Andarmax, and New Roland. Offer Niomede and Sax, as rebel-held systems, the option of reinforcement troops but otherwise offer equipment only. Deploy ground troops and take the remaining five worlds. FWL arrivals to the Mandate systems that we have taken or in the process of taking are to be warned off, and if they will not retreat the use of warning shots and blocking manevers is authorized. If the FWL shoots first then the use of deadly force in defence of themselves or allied forces is authorized. Otherwise, deploy our warships to effect naval blockades of all systems that we suspect hold mobile forces. Special attention is to be paid to Menke and Victoria; once we blockade Menke, we will offer the mercenaries an opportunity to be paid off by ORDI and sit out this conflict. Otherwise, our intent is to sweep "behind" the fortified worlds and begin sieging and overthrowing garrison forces in the non-fortified worlds, supplying and supporting rebels directly. One exception is that we will be sieging Victoria directly. MAWLRs will be deployed to support any of our allies attacking fortifications and any fortifications we ourselves attack.
Military Requisition And Design
-[x] EX-003 "Bullseye"
-[x] EX-108 "Wildfire"
Still not happy with the plan, but then again I'm rarely happy with my own plans.
Helghan Republic
-[x] Construct a military defence station over [Contrilla]
-[x] Move 2 divisions, along with a substantial amount of police (both military and civilian) to New Oslo, and contact the leaders of the various equatorial powers with an ultimatum/offer.
The ultimatum is that they will hand over (or assist us in apprehending) both the rabble-rousing priests who incited the attacks on our people and schools and culprits who carried them out, as well as stop any further attacks. Failure to comply will result in military intervention due to harboring terrorists.
The offer consists essentially of various ways out, due to the way our ultimatum places the rulers of the equatorial nations between a rock and a hard place (by making it likely that they'll end up dead or deposed due to either our actions, or their various vassals/subjects, depending on whether they reject or accept our ultimatum). They can either just flat-out join us, under the same conditions as the polar nations, and with the same benefits, or they can leave and get a golden parachute (of reasonable size) for themselves and anyone they want to bring with them (again, within reason) while turning control over their former territory over to us. We're willing to accommodate various face-saving measures (faked death, them "retiring due to ill health" in favor of a relative willing to work with us, marriage alliance that'll see their territory absorbed by one of our polar nation protectorates, whatever), once more within reason.
- -[x] Our troops, meanwhile will provide security against any further attacks, and, depending on the outcome of the ultimatum/negotiations, assist our police forces in apprehending the culprits and inciting priests for trial, or conduct the military intervention to make the apprehension possible.
Taurian Concordat
-[x] Construct additional waystations
ORDI Actions
-[x] Dispatch Material Aid (Heavy Weapons, Mandate): With the Celestial Mandate undergoing a civil war, rebel forces need material aid now more than ever. On the plus side, we no longer need to smuggle them in! [-16,000,000 C-Bills]
-[x] Dispatch Material Aid (Combat Vehicles, Mandate): With the Celestial Mandate undergoing a civil war, rebel forces need heavy metal to help level the playing field. On the plus side, we no longer need to smuggle them in! [-40,000,000 C-Bills]
Operation Pluto (Mandate Intervention)
-[x] Target Will to Fight [Easy]: By targeting Mandate loyalists with propaganda, we can hopefully attack their will to fight against rebels and possibly even convince some to swap sides.
-[x] Mass Decapitation Strike [Medium]: By covertly deploying cybernetically-enhanced special forces units through rebel-held space and holding them near the targets, we can trigger a massive decapitation strike against Mandate personnel at our leisure
-[x] Air and Space Monitoring Disruption [Medium]: Using those agents not forced to evacuate due to the chaos of the civil war, we can attempt to blind Mandate Air and Space sensors during the initial invasion period.
-[x] Sabotage Nuclear Defences [Hard]: Using agents across the Mandate, we can attempt to sabotage all known and suspected nuclear weapon systems before they can be turned against our forces.
-[x] Begin Operation Pluto (Failure to detail a plan will have me do a good faith interpretation but you can't complain about it).
- -[x] Declare war in support of the rebels against the repressive government of the Mandate. Offer a one-time get out of jail free card to any Mandate rulers that will surrender their persons, systems, and armed forces prior to being sieged. Announce that the use of nuclear weapons will be considered reason to retaliate with orbital bombardment against military targets as subject to the Ares Conventions. Deploy seven Hastas to the systems of Nukus, Shiba, Niomede, Principia, Sax, Andarmax, and New Roland. Offer Niomede and Sax, as rebel-held systems, the option of reinforcement troops but otherwise offer equipment only. Deploy ground troops and take the remaining five worlds. FWL arrivals to the Mandate systems that we have taken or in the process of taking are to be warned off, and if they will not retreat the use of warning shots and blocking manevers is authorized. If the FWL shoots first then the use of deadly force in defence of themselves or allied forces is authorized. Otherwise, deploy our warships to effect naval blockades of all systems that we suspect hold mobile forces. Special attention is to be paid to Menke and Victoria; once we blockade Menke, we will offer the mercenaries an opportunity to be paid off by ORDI and sit out this conflict. Otherwise, our intent is to sweep "behind" the fortified worlds and begin sieging and overthrowing garrison forces in the non-fortified worlds, supplying and supporting rebels directly. One exception is that we will be sieging Victoria directly. MAWLRs will be deployed to support any of our allies attacking fortifications and any fortifications we ourselves attack.
Military Requisition And Design
-[x] EX-003 "Bullseye"
-[x] EX-108 "Wildfire"
Still not happy with the plan, but then again I'm rarely happy with my own plans.
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Kanata.EXE
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[x] Prep and Strike