Might as well launch Pluto now. We don't need the FWL complicating things, not when after this we'll be busy with the Outback.

And as for New Oslo, enough of these shit tier 'threats' thinking they can poke the hive and not get stung. Send an army group.
 
'Eroding culture', yeah sounds to me like some tantrums are being thrown about a loss of power.

At this point the only way I can see New Oslo not ending up an Afghanistan style disaster is if we treat it like the North should have treated the South after the USA civil war yeah. Full invasion, decontruction and reconstruction with no mind towards imperial resource extraction. The only question is if the thread is able to stick that out because it would probably be a decade or longer proccess.
This has got my full agreement. Fanaticism is a messy business even when it isn't tied in with self-interest, and with the history New Oslo has, it very much is. Even with improved conditions raising overall quality of life, that the 'pie' has increased in size doesn't matter if some people don't get to have inherently more of it because we aren't assholes.

As those same people are locally entrenched and powerful...toppling their governments won't actually get rid of them, and pulling them up by the roots too only makes the situation worse if we don't have anything lined up to replace them. With everything else going on, it's probably fine to send some of our forces that we don't have the logistics to fly to the borders anyway, remove all the obvious agitators and military ability, and get an interim government set up to provide services and begin indoctrination, with everything more substantial on hold until the rest of the universe isn't on fire and/or threatening to be radioactive.
 
Fuck those smarmy priests in New Oslo. They'll get invaded and reconstructed after the shit they've pulled for daring to inflame tensions when we're in an important military operation!

Also, I agree with Liao. We need to invade the Celestials' next turn lest we drew those opportunistic snakes into the conflict.
 
Fuck those smarmy priests in New Oslo. They'll get invaded and reconstructed after the shit they've pulled for daring to inflame tensions when we're in an important military operation!

Also, I agree with Liao. We need to invade the Celestials' next turn lest we drew those opportunistic snakes into the conflict.
Those priests will get their just desserts, for now, I agree with the Republic going to war with the Mandate.
 
I think an invasion plan needs to leverage our naval forces hard. IE, if we can blockade as many of the Mandate worlds with mobile forces, and every important world within one jump of the FWL that isn't already being invaded in the first wave of attacks, we're in a good place. Unless the Mandate has hundreds of ASF we don't know about, even a single Hasta-IIId is fairly resistant to being swarmed by nukes, meaning that we can blockade quite a few systems by splitting squadrons up and stationing them at various jump points.
 
Oh man. The Capellans hired the Dragoons. XD I wanna see their faces when they meet the Helghan Navy. :V

Quick, somebody hire Snord's Irregulars. Maybe clans can scale up and offer us a stiffer challenge. XD
 
Last edited:
Oh man. The Capellans hired the Dragoons. XD I wanna see their faces when they meet the Helghan Navy. :V

Quick, somebody hire Snord's Irregulars. Maybe clans can scale up and offer us a stiffer challenge. XD
Honestly, the capabilities of the Helghan Republican Navy apart from being chonk aren't readily apparent without actually going into battle against a peer. Shields are just words until a Hasta-III eats a nuke to the face and keeps on fighting, Arc Cannons are just fancy cannons until a Noctis turns a McKenna into swiss cheese, etc.
 
Honestly, the capabilities of the Helghan Republican Navy apart from being chonk aren't readily apparent without actually going into battle against a peer. Shields are just words until a Hasta-III eats a nuke to the face and keeps on fighting, Arc Cannons are just fancy cannons until a Noctis turns a McKenna into swiss cheese, etc.

@prometheus110 any chance the Mandate has a McKenna lying around somewhere? :V
 
I'm thinking we navally blockade and bypass Menke. It has 5 of the Mandate's 12-13 mech regiments. Sitting some Noctice on them and encouraging them to sit this one out will make the rest of our ground invasion much easier.

Plus, its at least plausible that we'll manage to turn them against the Feddies, and 5 regiments more would be helpful for that war.
 
We need to purge New Oslo from those fanatics, and maybe upgrade the sane people of New Oslo.

Do you think it would be extreme to bomb those cities from orbit?
 
I think we can develop petrusite bombardment cannons to soften up groundside cities for our forces
Again, orbital bombardment is a really fucking big taboo in BT. Especially on targets that aren't strictly military. What about this statement is so hard to understand? Yes, technically no one follows the Ares Convention anymore. However, everyone agreed to follow the spirit of the Convention just because of how bad the destruction got during the First Succession War.
 
I think we can develop petrusite bombardment cannons to soften up groundside cities for our forces

Why the fuck should we do that? What the hell? New Olso poses no threat to us militarily speaking so just deploying an army would be overkill. Regardless bombing feudal medieval cities with fucking petrusite will prompt a shitstorm on the domestic front which we do not need right now considering our intervention in the Mandate and the upcoming war with the Federated Suns.
 
No bombardment for obvious reasons, but I think having one of your warships descend into the atmosphere might drive home the point.

...

Tbh, I just really want to do that at least once. :V
 
The people of New Oslo couldn't even generate electricity to warm their cities with until we came. Pretty good chance that they're using firearms that would be at home in the 1800s. Orbital bombardment to blow up their cities... what the actual fuck? Leaving aside that you would be mass murdering civilians, there is no level of military threat on New Oslo that is worth that.

The answer to this is simple. We roll them militarily or at least threaten to do so, put into place a local government that is required to follow our human rights laws like anywhere else in the HR, and then backstop them with military force. Under the aegis of that military force, we will institute compulsory coeducational schooling for children to break the brainwashing (with safeguards so we're not creating the Residential Schools), raise the overall standard of living, educate the populace, and prosecute religious nutcases who preach things that break our human rights laws. This will be a generational effort because we are going to have to literally wait for the hardcases to kick the bucket or be outnumbered by the youth before things settle down. In the interim, expect a sizeable resistance movement alongside a lot of domestic unrest.

A few other ideas:

A) Right now, the primary industry of New Oslo is probably subsistence farming. We have breadbasket worlds that are about to have a surprise once Helghan terraforming progresses. We can make agriculture no longer an industry that requires most of the population.

B) As a result, we can have a large number of people in need of work. We can fill that need by literally building new cities en masse and putting in subsidized worker cooperatives to produce things for themselves to allow the planet to work towards self sufficiency. What we can then do is carefully stagger what jobs are offered where and to whom to mix the population. It's also a lot easier to pop a panopticon and prevent rebels with Explosives or firearms from causing atrocities.

C) We need to identify and support moderate religious figures. They don't need to be as leftist as the HR is, they just need to not be utterly shitty people. If we don't do this, the people who continue to preach will be the radicals and they'll do it under wraps.

D) Education and medicine is critical. Education shifts people away from conservative badness. Control of fertility gives women power. Both of those things will permit us the break the stranglehold the nutcase have on New Oslo.
 
I think we can develop petrusite bombardment cannons to soften up groundside cities for our forces
Why again, are we proposing using the evil space cancer rock cannons to orbitally bombard cities? If our game plan in invading the Mandate is "blow the entire place to smithereens and salt the remains with radiation", then everyone involved is better off if we don't bother invading in the first place.
I thought New Oslo, had higher technology level, and could became the center of a cultural cancer.
I'll be frank, New Oslo could be as developed as Helghan and we still wouldn't be justified in using orbital bombardment to impose our will on cities full of civilians. You are trying to nuke them until they like you that way, and that never worked. The last time someone tried to do that, the US Air Force dropped more bombs on Cambodia than were dropped during the entirety of WW2 by all combatants and all they accomplished was destroying Cambodian society so thoroughly that the Khmer Rouge happened. If you create Mad Max via ortillery, you do not get to be surprised when Lord Humongous ends up on top.

And let's not get into how horrifying an idea that we should burn cities to prevent "cultural cancer" from happening is.
 
Last edited:
And let's not get into how horrifying the idea that we should burn cities to prevent "cultural cancer" from happening.
I have never agreed so strongly with an statement (not even when they told that the sky is blue). Nuking "cultural cancer" out of existence is pretty much genocide. There's no way of stopping ideas from spreading except by destroying everything related to them and murdering the people that are a part of it. This is the same as proposing that we create a colaborationist regime in New Oslo modeled after Leopold II's colonial regime in Congo.

On another note: Why aren't we sending Mechs to the Mandate rebels? Also, the MAF seems to be suffering morale issues we should take advantage of it, provoking mass desertions would really help the rebels. Even if the deserters won't side with the rebels we would still be depleting the loyalist's manpower without expending the resources it would cost to kill them.​
 
On another note: Why aren't we sending Mechs to the Mandate rebels?
Because mechs are rare and expensive and harder to operate than combat vehicles. Every mech we have is better served in our own military, because we can't produce them as casually as we can combat vehicles. Or, well, Helghan almost can, but we're new to making them so we're still building up. Maybe we can afford to be a little freer with them in the future, but not right now.
 
Also likely it's because they either do not have the experienced mech pilots to use the more advanced stuff we are mostly making to the capellins sending simple to use mechs already?
 
Because mechs are rare and expensive and harder to operate than combat vehicles. Every mech we have is better served in our own military, because we can't produce them as casually as we can combat vehicles. Or, well, Helghan almost can, but we're new to making them so we're still building up. Maybe we can afford to be a little freer with them in the future, but not right now.
Correct me if I'm wrong but mechs are almost idolized in the IS. Right? So giving the rebels mechs is not really a question about combat effectiveness (as you have pointed even if they had them, they wouldn't be able to use them effectively), rather, it is a question about morale.

Having stompy robots on the rebels' side means that they present themselves as equals to the legitimate government. Then again, this might not be a cost effective way of using them.
 
Back
Top