Correct me if I'm wrong but mechs are almost idolized in the IS. Right? So giving the rebels mechs is not really a question about combat effectiveness (as you have pointed even if they had them, they wouldn't be able to use them effectively), rather, it is a question about morale.

Having stompy robots on the rebels' side means that they present themselves as equals to the legitimate government. Then again, this might not be a cost effective way of using them.
That's a gross exaggeration of how much mechs are looked up to. They definitely are, sure, but largely because they're objectively the most useful individual ground-based weapons platform in existence, albeit one that won't survive long without combined arms support against a competent adversary.

Well, unless we're talking about the Clans, or to a lesser extent the Combine, but this is a CapCon descendant state we're talking about here.
 
Any rebel group that gets there hands on mechs will feel more ready to start fights though if it's a good time to do so at that time is a different matter?
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but mechs are almost idolized in the IS. Right? So giving the rebels mechs is not really a question about combat effectiveness (as you have pointed even if they had them, they wouldn't be able to use them effectively), rather, it is a question about morale.

Having stompy robots on the rebels' side means that they present themselves as equals to the legitimate government. Then again, this might not be a cost effective way of using them.
We can crap out tanks by the regiment for peanuts. Mechs require AP to produce.

It's the reason I want to go nuts with the Leo lendlease. It's a cost effective way to make invading allied worlds a nightmare and let our allies cut more assests loose for the upcoming wars.
 
The answer to this is simple. We roll them militarily or at least threaten to do so, put into place a local government that is required to follow our human rights laws like anywhere else in the HR, and then backstop them with military force.
Question is how we want to handle this, in terms of details and resulting optics.
Right now I figure we'd contact the various lords of the equitorial nations and demand they hand over the demagogue priests, and the culprits who attacked villages and schools under our protection, over for investigation and trial.
If they decline, we have justification for military action under the guise of them housing and protecting terrorists who participated in an attack on people under our protection. If they agree, it kicks the can somewhat down the road, but they'd weaken their own authority and legitimacy in doing so, which could easily lead to unrest as vassals and religious leader rebel against them due to a combination of ambition (the lords being seen as weak due to submitting to outsider demands), and fear/concern (that they, too, could be handed over if a similar situation occurs again). This would then likely give us/our "vassals" on the planet reason to intervene in order to restore order.

This would be an approach that makes us look the most reasonable/sensible, but runs the risk of the NO situation remaining as it is for quite some time longer.

More straightforwardly, we could simply send in some troops - likely in the form of military police - to apprehend the demagogues and culprits for trial; still fairly reasonable, but much more heavy-handed, and quite possible to escalate into a full-out military confrontation.

We could also potentially pick up your old idea of simply bribing the NOslo nobles, but with a bit of tweaks to account for the fact that we now basically have their balls in a vice, since we now have a fairly easily justifiable casus belli for our own population (because I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if those attacks and burnt-down schools didn't involve at least a couple of dead children, which our populace is unlikely to be all that happy about).
So, on one hand, the stick in the form of the threat of military intervention that'll almost certainly see them dead or deposed, and on the other hand, carrot in the form of a comfortable retirement somewhere nice, with some possible face-saving measures such as them abdicating in favor of a son who'll be happy to work with us, or them marrying a daughter of theirs to one of the polar lords who're part of our protectorate and who'll absorb their lands.
A) Right now, the primary industry of New Oslo is probably subsistence farming. We have breadbasket worlds that are about to have a surprise once Helghan terraforming progresses. We can make agriculture no longer an industry that requires most of the population.

B) As a result, we can have a large number of people in need of work. We can fill that need by literally building new cities en masse and putting in subsidized worker cooperatives to produce things for themselves to allow the planet to work towards self sufficiency. What we can then do is carefully stagger what jobs are offered where and to whom to mix the population. It's also a lot easier to pop a panopticon and prevent rebels with Explosives or firearms from causing atrocities.

C) We need to identify and support moderate religious figures. They don't need to be as leftist as the HR is, they just need to not be utterly shitty people. If we don't do this, the people who continue to preach will be the radicals and they'll do it under wraps.

D) Education and medicine is critical. Education shifts people away from conservative badness. Control of fertility gives women power. Both of those things will permit us the break the stranglehold the nutcase have on New Oslo.
We'll probably do A & B as par of the general "technological and economical uplift" thing that we're doing on most of our worlds pretty much by default.
C & D are both good ideas/points, though in regards to D we IIRC just had another case of "you can't expand your education system that quickly!" on Highwater, so that might raise its head again.
I'd add that we should make efforts of cultural and personal exposure; make it easy for NOslo inhabitants to get access to various ORDI media (and the necessary technology to use them, of course), such as movies, books, games, and the like, many of which would feature girls and women as protagonists, in positions of power and authority, and so on. And make sure that a fair number of personnel we send to NOslo includes women in various functions and levels of authority.
 
I don't particularly care how we oust the current New Oslo leadership. Kick them out, buy them out, get them to bend the knee, whatever. But it needs to be fast and stable. Get some clergy that will toe the Helghan line, and military to keep the peace.

After that, finish up the Solatta Array. More sun can only be good for them. Maybe see about getting those Star League cities up and running again. We don't need to plunder them for tech anymore unless we find something truly unexpected.

As for the Mandate, it was always my plan to hit them after this preparation. Just wanted to get the units and stockpiles in place. A shame the nukes aren't knocked out, but we can still try again.
 
I don't particularly care how we oust the current New Oslo leadership. Kick them out, buy them out, get them to bend the knee, whatever. But it needs to be fast and stable. Get some clergy that will toe the Helghan line, and military to keep the peace.



After that, finish up the Solatta Array. More sun can only be good for them. Maybe see about getting those Star League cities up and running again. We don't need to plunder them for tech anymore unless we find something truly unexpected.



As for the Mandate, it was always my plan to hit them after this preparation. Just wanted to get the units and stockpiles in place. A shame the nukes aren't knocked out, but we can still try again.

Okay why does it have to be fast?
 
We need to occupy the Mandate worlds that border the FWL or the FWL will get involved then we'll be fighting the Mandate, FWL and probably the FedSuns at the same time.
We must deal with the FWL we cannot appease them we must cut them off and move shielded warships into those systems in order to make any attack seem more costly than it could possibly be worth.
Threats of warship tech being handed over to the Lyrans must be made.
 
the transfer of nearly 5,000 tons of combat vehicles to rebel forces is expected to greatly hinder the Mandate Armed Forces' ability to combat their foes.
Taking variable tonage into acount, this is anywhere from 2 battalions to a whole regiment of Combat vehicles we managed to get through. Although considering wording im going with 2 Rebel Armor battlions.

Primarily based in the planet's highly religious equatorial nations, these priests and their followers have conducted raids on neighbouring Polar Association towns leading to many deaths; numerous people associated with the Republic were assaulted in broad daylight, and multiple schools burned to the ground.

Hampered by the low-tech nature of the planet and the sheer number of incidents that occurred over Q1 of 3046, the Republic's response was often late in coming and unable to prevent the deaths of many hundreds of people at the hands of fanatics. For their part, Polar Association nations have attempted to protect the border towns in question, though this has largely served to inflame the situation due to the resulting bloody battles. Between this and the perceived inability of Republic forces to effectively respond to the emergency situation, religious zealotry is on the rise, each passing day seeing larger and larger crowds listening to the priests.
This is small fries to the current conflict, but deaths and assault of Helghan citizens cant be ignored, we need to drop a Transport, at least a Battlion of mechs and some supporting armor and infantry. That should be enough to calm things down and wont effect out supply lines.

Much to the embarrassment of Republic agents, however, the Confederation's measures saw substantially more success, the overwhelming majority of vehicles arriving safe and sound into rebel hands by mid-March. Composed of a mix of designs ranging from light hovercraft to heavy tanks, the sudden addition of heavy metal had a stiffening effect on many rebel forces; their sudden arrival allowed rebel commanders to reassign or retire many of the fragile technicals on which they'd previously relied. How things will develop from here remains to be seen, though early analysis suggests that it will greatly even out the balance of power in combination with the aid provided by the rest of the ORDI.
Since they had more success and whats implied what we have still in our stores to give away, they no doubt managed 2-3 regiments of armor to the rebels. So this gives the rebels in terms of supplies 3 regiments of armor at minuime mabye more.

Magistracy of Canopus
Not to be outdone by the rest of the Outer Rim Defence Initiative, the Magistracy of Canopus spent the first three months of the year delivering a variety of small arms to rebel groups across the Celestial Mandate; many thousands of military-grade weapons delivered into the waiting hands of rebels. Dropped (in some cases literally) across the Mandate, the sheer quantity of rifles, pistols, PDWs, and other weapons has resulted in an explosion of resistance across numerous planets, and control of more than a few cities flipped overnight as Mandate troops found themselves outnumbered and outgunned.
This is easily around 5+ regiments of infantry equipment dropped down, so very much things are heating up. Add in the fall of Sax and its local RTC facilities, and the Rebels very much are putting the presure down on the mandate.
 
We need to occupy the Mandate worlds that border the FWL or the FWL will get involved then we'll be fighting the Mandate, FWL and probably the FedSuns at the same time.
To late for that the FWL will get a part of the cake now. Best we can do is to secure as many planets as possible for the aurigans and a direct connection to capellan space.
grmbl gmbl Told you so!
 
Honestly the FWL taking a bite of the mandate but not fighting us is kind of desirable. It limits capplen reclamation and means they will have less weight to try and make the ORDI house Liao 2.0 before we can push the Confederation more towards democracy (or at least an actual constutinal monarchy if/when we have to compromise).
 
With Duke Hasek-Davion having doubled down on the repression in late 3045, the various groups opposed to his rule (and his existence) have done much the same. Previously having focussed their enmity on figures closer to home, at least one group attempted to assassinate the Duke himself during a journey from a spaceport in the city of Saso to the Hasek ancestral palace. Shot at by a lone gunman armed with a hunting rifle, no injuries occurred during the January 30th shooting thanks to the sheer quantity of armour on the Duke's car. Nevertheless, the incident triggered a 3-hour manhunt across New Syrtis that ended with security forces finding the man dead by his own hand; paraphernalia from extremist Neo-Jacobinist groups discovered in his apartment.
Okay, what genius's idea, on both angles of the agrument, thought trying to pull a Archduke ferdinand was a good idea. This is getting ugly.

According to reports from Republic spies still embedded within the Federated Suns, numerous AFFS regiments have begun to arrive in the region. Numbering roughly twenty to thirty and composed of a mix of types from battlemech to infantry, the sudden arrival of so many federal troops has cooled some conflicts and fanned the flames of many more while simultaneously triggering heart palpitations in no small number of Concordat officers. Primarily stationed on the Outback's few truly high-value worlds, these troops have done little to quell the unrest in the rest of the region and instead seem intent on guarding the fortifications currently under construction built by FedSun engineers.
Alright, before hand the Region had i believe roughly 112 regiments of federal troops already beforehand, and perhaps slightly under that in milita. The extra 20-30 means they have over 150 (nearly perhaps 200) regiments now or federal forces augmented by milita, and without conformation on Merc forces could be even higher. The situation is rapidly getting out of control as this is perhaps around 20% of the Fedsins military force in around 3025, and this is without factoring in their increased factory compacity and military build up.

Yeah this will not be good.

Honestly the FWL taking a bite of the mandate but not fighting us is kind of desirable. It limits capplen reclamation and means they will have less weight to try and make the ORDI house Liao 2.0 before we can push the Confederation more towards democracy (or at least an actual constutinal monarchy if/when we have to compromise).
Ahem, two of those worlds are currently in control of rebels, and i doubt the FWL will discrimate against who's who upon invading without prior info.
 
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Honestly the FWL taking a bite of the mandate but not fighting us is kind of desirable. It limits capplen reclamation and means they will have less weight to try and make the ORDI house Liao 2.0 before we can push the Confederation more towards democracy (or at least an actual constutinal monarchy if/when we have to compromise).
that assumes the guy who orchestrated the WoB Jihad in canon chooses not to keep pushing. or that the Mandate worlds that the Capellans take are actually net producers and not hell holes that the confederation will have to invest oceans of currency to get anything out of.
 
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Thank you for the updoot!

I bet it is Andurian seeing an opportunity to get their clay back, that is pushing the FWL to attack.
I'm going to love the MWLR panic when it shows up on the battlefield.
I'd say linking up with the Confederation first, straight up the middle of the map would be my preferred strategy.
Use the fleet to blockade worlds with Mandate mech regiments ahead of our Army, so they can't reinforce other Mandate worlds.
 
i don't get why people think the FWl will be able to invade at the same time as us. We seem to have way more prep done and such an overwhelming numbers and positional advantage over the Mandate that rolling it up before the FWL can stick their oar in should be more than doable.
 
I would like to devote resources to stop the New Oslo nobility and clergy from fucking us over.
Giving every school a distress beacon and having air mobile Helghan military police would be a significant chilling effect on other attacks since that would make them higher risk. We can then follow it up with putting pressure on the nobles to put a damn leash onthe fanatics along with a metaphrical choke chain. They can refuse and have us start backing the progressive nobles or they can cooperate and alienate the fanatics.
 
i don't get why people think the FWl will be able to invade at the same time as us. We seem to have way more prep done and such an overwhelming numbers and positional advantage over the Mandate that rolling it up before the FWL can stick their oar in should be more than doable.
Thank you for the updoot!

I bet it is Andurian seeing an opportunity to get their clay back, that is pushing the FWL to attack.
I'm going to love the MWLR panic when it shows up on the battlefield.
I'd say linking up with the Confederation first, straight up the middle of the map would be my preferred strategy.
Use the fleet to blockade worlds with Mandate mech regiments ahead of our Army, so they can't reinforce other Mandate worlds.
Suppose the main situation at hand is that while we hold the overwhelming advantage, we still need to garrison worlds with forts and such. Which could protentional stall our advance long enough for FWL forces to land on planets along their boarder. Afterall they don't need to take the entire mandate, only around 5 or so worlds and stop.
 
I say we send one of our unengaged armies to New Oslo.

The religious violence is a good enough Casus Belli to declare war on the Equatorial States.

Our people can't complain about us invading to stop religious violence. . .
 
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