Remove ads

The Lords of Ruin -- Battletech/Killzone

Reader mode
DaLintyGuy said:
That brings up what you consider to be AI versus a regular drone capable of fighting. At what point does it become a person rather than a very clever machine, Monster versus Person, etc.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Well I would consider AI to be a person like machine who can thank for itself and change its code kind of like the geth from Mass effect. The AIs can think beyond what they are programmed to think about like they can do more jobs than what their program for. Also they can learn. I think virtual intelligence or a VI is for like clever machines but they can't think beyond their parameters.
 
Gmerguy said:
I mean making them physically unable to do so.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Simple solution: Make self replication require a particular resource(eg element/alloy/parts). That way, even if the relevant drones go rouge, they can not expand beyond a known limit.

EDIT: This allows for rapid expansion but not unlimited growth.
I would recommend the bottle neck be electronics feedstock (semiconductor grade silicon, phosphorus, and boron) and/or some vital composites.
 
Last edited:
cryptoam said:
Simple solution: Make self replication require a particular resource(eg element/alloy/parts). That way, even if the relevant drones go rouge, they can not expand beyond a known limit.

EDIT: This allows for rapid expansion but not unlimited growth.
I would recommend the bottle neck be electronics feedstock (semiconductor grade silicon, phosphorus, and boron) and/or some vital composites.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
self replication is a bad idea no matter what. the only way to keep it from going wrong is making it so that the thing can not do it at all in the first place.
 
anyway any tech that allows self replication would be more efficient in a factory anyway which feeds back into our industrial advantage. imagine building Project Zero dawn Cauldron into a Castle Brian type facility.
 
Silversun17 said:
anyway any tech that allows self replication would be more efficient in a factory anyway
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
For the sorts of things we would do with it, yes. The whole point of self replication is that it allows for larger deployments, such as in terraforming, where bringing each unit in from an offsite facility would be unfeasible due to scale.

As a somewhat mundane example, using chemosynthetic algae to alter a bodies atmosphere instead of building facilities to run the same reactions.
 
Or adaptability. Who says that self replication has to be autonomous or limited to only one thing?
 
DaLintyGuy said:
*waggles hand*

I am reasonably sure that the mutation they underwent also included circumventing exactly that system.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Under that logic

Any and all idea and inprovements can be dismissed under theorical worst case scenario catastrophic failures

Is fine to be cautious but to actively disregard any and all possible advantage out of doom "what if" is silly

Are self replicating robotics a possible threath?

Sure as hell

But just as with any tech

Nuclear energy can irradiate entire continents if a failure happens

Chemical manufacturing and storaging can blow up entire city blocks (beirut as a example of this)

Biological experimentation can lead to major ecological disasters or epidemics or even worse,pandemics

Use of advance digital tech leave open vectors foe cyberwarfare or criplling a nation defenses if somethings fucks the software or hardware widespread

Do we return to primitive analog life style because of this "worst case scenario" possible outcomes?

Im not saying we shouldnt take care of security measures or give it time before we do said research

But lets not dismiss tech options for the sake of it

If the option exist on the tech tree it means is a viable tech not a trap
and as with any new tech it has its own set of advantanges,weak points and need for invesment to counter said possible issues

But if taken responsably is a boon rather than a issue
 
Last edited:
armentho said:
Under that logic

Any and all idea and inprovements can be dismissed under theorical failures

Is fine to be cautious but to actively disregard any and all possible advantage out of doom "what if" is silly

Are self replicating robotics a possible threath?

Sure as hell

But jist as with any tech

Nuclear energy can irradiate entire continents if a failure happens

Chemical manufacturing and storaging can blow up entire city blocks (beirut as a example of this)

Biological experimentation can lead to major ecological disasters or epidemics or even worse,pandemics

Use of advance digital tech leave open vectors foe cyberwarfare or criplling a nation defenses if somethings fucks the software or hardware widespread

Im not saying we shouldnt take care of security measures or give it time before we do said research

But lets not dismiss tech options for the sake of it
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Except self replication ability without control is the worst possible outcome for this tech and one that is reasonable ble to be done. It is also not needed at all so there is no reason to add it.

First no Nuclear Energy can not do that even during a meltdown. Because a melt down is designed to seal the danger away because of a failure. The only example of this failure with Nuclear power is literally because they intentionally ignored and didn't build to the safety standards.

Chemical manufacturing and storage is again very safe and the only times it fails is either outside factors or because they ignored safety in the first place.

Bio Experiments are not that wide spread in their danger unless you are intentionally trying to create something to do that. So it isn't a accident if it happens.

Digital tech only leaves an opening if people are not paying attention when they make it. And because even the most connected systems are still separated and protected individually it is next to impossible to use cyberwarfare to take it out all at once and the only way to damage hardware is by physical access and at that point, you have fucked up anyways.

Swarm robotic is essentially letting the robots act on their own with the ablilty to adapt and change. That is a very bad idea no matter what safeguards you add to the software. The only way to keep them is by making them physically unable to do the tasks. The last thing we want is to create any form of AI that can actually think. Swarm is a bad idea unless we are in a position where we need it. But we aren't and I do not see much that would make it needed. Tactical robots and robotic workers are a better and far safer route to take as those aren't built to be thinking or to adapt and change, unlike the swarm.
 
you know one thing about that swarm intelligence we could just leave it in a system and test it if it was safe or not because they don't have FtL unless they figure out how to build Ftl.
 
Adventwolf said:
Except self replication ability without control is the worst possible outcome for this tech and one that is reasonable ble to be done. It is also not needed at all so there is no reason to add it.

First no Nuclear Energy can not do that even during a meltdown. Because a melt down is designed to seal the danger away because of a failure. The only example of this failure with Nuclear power is literally because they intentionally ignored and didn't build to the safety standards.

Chemical manufacturing and storage is again very safe and the only times it fails is either outside factors or because they ignored safety in the first place.

Bio Experiments are not that wide spread in their danger unless you are intentionally trying to create something to do that. So it isn't a accident if it happens.

Digital tech only leaves an opening if people are not paying attention when they make it. And because even the most connected systems are still separated and protected individually it is next to impossible to use cyberwarfare to take it out all at once and the only way to damage hardware is by physical access and at that point, you have fucked up anyways.

Swarm robotic is essentially letting the robots act on their own with the ablilty to adapt and change. That is a very bad idea no matter what safeguards you add to the software. The only way to keep them is by making them physically unable to do the tasks. The last thing we want is to create any form of AI that can actually think. Swarm is a bad idea unless we are in a position where we need it. But we aren't and I do not see much that would make it needed. Tactical robots and robotic workers are a better and far safer route to take as those aren't built to be thinking or to adapt and change, unlike the swarm.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Look advent

Im not gonna spent 6+ pages arguing with you as other have done before over other topics in a dog figth/dick measuring contest of arguments

The tech exists in the tech tree as a viable option doubt the QM would give us a tech that would absolutely withouth shadow of a doubt turn bad no matter what we do as you seem to doom-predict

If the QM openly tell us or suggest this,or you have insider info that proves otherwise (the QM telling you plot hooks or something like that) i am perfectly willing to accept your input

But unless thats the case
Im not gonna deny that there is a risk involved
But i dont buy the narrative of the worst case scenario as being the most likely outcome

If you dont see that way
Thats fine
 
Last edited:
Guys, their is a middle ground option: limit swarm intelligence to a tactical scale. A squad or platoon of spectre robotic infantry would networked together but they would get their orders from humans at the company or battalion level both to prevent order overreach and to avoid E war set up from scrambling all our automated forces.

Another way to keep them out of trouble would be to limit them to AP mounts for their weapons. Have our human infantry be better armed and able to resisit them if we have to send troops after them.
 
That too. Again, the real role for swarm robotics is not to create massive armies, it's to force multiply. Anywhere where there is a need for a light force , remote, or even ISR in denied areas(eg we need something expendable), swarm robotics are useful. However, the main force will still be controlled by humans.
Also, who says that one must strongly link swarm robotics and self replication together. Sure, that might be the most efficient(and also dangerous) combination but said combination is not necessary for all scenarios.
Remember, we are not creating AGI, Seed AIs, or ASI here. We are more looking at things like DARPA's Collaborative Operations In Denied Environments than truly dangerous(eg Pharo swarm) AI.
 
armentho said:
The tech exists in the tech tree as a viable option doubt the QM would give us a tech that would absolutely withouth shadow of a doubt turn bad no matter what we do as you seem to doom-predict

If the QM openly tell us or suggest this,or you have insider info that proves otherwise (the QM telling you plot hooks or something like that) i am perfectly willing to accept your input

But unless thats the case
Im not gonna deny that there is a risk involved
But i dont buy the narrative of the worst case scenario as being the most likely outcome

If you dont see that way
Thats fine
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Except I didn't say it was the only option. I said it is a highly likely option to happen because that is the way the tech works. If you want to use it you need to hard limit the hell out of it. I am also talking about self-replication in a swarm dude not so much the smarm itself. That is the stupid idea to do. I also said that swarms aren't needed because they wouldn't provide much advantage to us when Tactical Robots and Robot Workers would have a much higher impact for us.
 
Adventwolf said:
Why would we build a different design though? The Union we have in large numbers it is well known and built. So building a upgraded version is both cheaper and faster and can be used and built by everyone. Also We are not removing the jump extenders, or the docking ability as they need those in order to be carried even by our ships. We travel through the same realm as the K-F Drive which is why the collars were able to be created for our use in the first place and is why all the new ships have jump collars.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...


Well, I am just thinking aloud, but the issue here is that we need a small scale transport for invasion purposes, in the scenario where ground to orbit fire and/or for a contested air superiority.
So we need something cheap-ish. getting rid of the docking capability and endurance options might be possible here, they need to be good enough but also expendable enough and while unions aren't particularly expensive, as far as dropships go, they do cost a pretty penny and they are optimized in ways we might not be interested in.
At the very least we would need a Union variant, but a smaller, company scale invader, carried internally in a larger troopship could be a viable option (since we are cutting endurance and a lot of the odds and ends to make them smaller and cheaper in this scenario)


Admittedly, it does presuppose the resurgence of capital grade weapons in planetary emplacements, which weren't much a thing outside of the Star League and only in Hegemony systems, but as mentioned a capital missile should be well within the capabilities of the successor states.

So ultimately we could do with just a homegrown Union variant, but we should consider a more comprehensive troopship/lander combo options for latter on
 
So something a bit more like Liberty ships or the amphibious landing craft on D-day?
 
Chaos Blade said:
Well, I am just thinking aloud, but the issue here is that we need a small scale transport for invasion purposes, in the scenario where ground to orbit fire and/or for a contested air superiority.
So we need something cheap-ish. getting rid of the docking capability and endurance options might be possible here, they need to be good enough but also expendable enough and while unions aren't particularly expensive, as far as dropships go, they do cost a pretty penny and they are optimized in ways we might not be interested in.
At the very least we would need a Union variant, but a smaller, company scale invader, carried internally in a larger troopship could be a viable option (since we are cutting endurance and a lot of the odds and ends to make them smaller and cheaper in this scenario)


Admittedly, it does presuppose the resurgence of capital grade weapons in planetary emplacements, which weren't much a thing outside of the Star League and only in Hegemony systems, but as mentioned a capital missile should be well within the capabilities of the successor states.

So ultimately we could do with just a homegrown Union variant, but we should consider a more comprehensive troopship/lander combo options for latter on
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
One the entire point of the dropships is because they are just better at moving troops and equipment than the dropshuttles which is what you are suggesting. The Troopship is a corvette that is built with the express purpose of landing and deploying an entire regiment. All Dropships are for is as a first wave deployment to secure a landing area for operations to be conducted from and to move units rapidly when needed in a campiagn. The last thing you want is to make your troopships and transports expendable because they are meant to protect the units assigned.
 
Adventwolf said:
One the entire point of the dropships is because they are just better at moving troops and equipment than the dropshuttles which is what you are suggesting. The Troopship is a corvette that is built with the express purpose of landing and deploying an entire regiment. All Dropships are for is as a first wave deployment to secure a landing area for operations to be conducted from and to move units rapidly when needed in a campiagn. The last thing you want is to make your troopships and transports expendable because they are meant to protect the units assigned.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

it is not about making them expendable, if anything it is to make them more survivable, but keep in mind the use we will give them, they will suffer losses, specially in contested scenarios. it all starts from there, seeing all the endurance options of the union, strip those, and use the savings for a more survivable, and hopefully cheaper platform.
Mind, the storage areas of the union are tiny and should be considerable bigger for the uses the IS gives it, but that is another matter.

So, reducing the per unit cost vis a vis a Union while increasing survival should be possible, reduce mass, fuel tanks, crew areas and what not. hence why a lander based off a capital ship could be more useful than a union itself.
Yes we do need to come up with a troopship but, again, with this system, the troopship would never be in close proximity to the planet or wouldn't be on in atmo in the early stages of the invasion, it would provide support for the invasion forces and deploy the shuttles with the beachead companies
 
Voting will close in 2 hours, so get your votes in now.
 
Remove ads
Vote closed
  • Voting
    • Scheduled vote count started by prometheus110 on Feb 11, 2021 at 4:27 AM, finished with 117 posts and 24 votes.
    • [X] Plan: Frankenstein's Handy Work
      -[X] Old MacDonald Had A Farm
      --[X] Lean on Rogue's government to follow their EMU's recommendations to prosecute offenders. Promote pro environmental message and allocate funds for rebuilding damages from wildlife.
      --[X] Start a media campaign in support of spreading awareness of the short, medium and long term impacts of mass poisoning and the damage it will cause to the prosperity of the world by cutting away one of the major sources of value for the moon.
      --[X] Ecotourism: While this by itself may not help to solve the issue, eco tourism can be used to both subsidize and recoup the losses incurred in our efforts to reduce conflicts between thumpers and farmers. If we are lucky, doing this may create an entirely new industry for us on Rouge.
      -[X] E-Mir-gency
      --[X] Dedicate a research team to cracking the origin of the blight and potential solutions (-1 Research Slot this year).
      --[X] Import food and provide a job/income guarantee so impacted people can weather the storm. (-30 million C-bills).
      --[X] Deploy a Squadron of Workhorse ships to assist in quarantine and interdiction of vessels to contain the blight on the planet until a solution is implemented.
      --[X] All of the Above.
      -[X] Caliban:
      --[X] Infiltrate Civil Administration (Pact) [Easy]: By infiltrating the civilian leadership, we can improve our ability to ferment dissent amongst the populace.
      -[X] The Aurigan Coalition:
      --[X] Joint Mineral Exploitation Program - Artru (50m): Having detected numerous mineral deposits across the Aurigan Reach which could prove valuable to both the Republic and the Reach's citizens, organizing a joint mining effort would be beneficial.
      --[X] Broach topic of recovering Tyrlon VI Anomaly: With the Tyrlon VI anomaly located off the coast of the nearest landmass, perhaps the Aurigan Reach could use some help recovering it…
      --[X] Expand FTL Comms Network: Having had to promise to link Coromodir to the Republic's own FTL communication network to secure the Aurigan vote for the Mutual Defence Pact, we should build said link ASAP. [Progress: 0/2 turns] [3 Turns Remain Until Negative Effects Occur] [Action Point Locked Until Completed]
      -[X] Taurian Concordat:
      --[X] Expand FTL Comms Network: Having had to promise to link Taurus to the Republic's own FTL communication network to secure the Taurian vote for the Mutual Defence Pact, we should build said link ASAP. [Progress: 0/3 turns] [3 Turns Remain Until Negative Effects Occur] [Action Point Locked Until Completed]
      -[X] Magistracy of Canopus:
      --[X] Expand FTL Comms Network: Having had to promise to link Canopus to the Republic's own FTL communication network to secure the Canopian vote for the Mutual Defence Pact, we should build said link ASAP. [Progress: 2/5 turns] [3 Turns Remain Until Negative Effects Occur] [Action Point Locked Until Completed]
      -[X] Celestial Mandate:
      --[X] Infiltrate Mandate Society: Sending intelligence operatives to infiltrate Mandate society will allow us to carry out subversive activities.
      -[X] General:
      --[X] Invest in Battlemech Construction and Maintenance Facilities: Though the Republic currently has a standing force of battlemechs on Helghan, the parts needed to maintain and repair these vehicles must be custom made to order or else purchased from our neighbours. With the help of some additional funding, we can order work to begin on a factory complex specially designed to construct battlemechs. [Progress: 1/3 turns] [Action Point Locked Until Completed]
      -[X] Military:
      --[X] Construct two Hasta-class cruiser Squadrons: Task your shipyards with constructing Six Hasta Cruisers. [Can be taken up to multiple times a turn] x2
      ---[X] Replace the front line Workhorse class with the new Hasta class and prepare the Workhorse class for decommissioning and sales to allies.
      -[X] Political:
      --[X] Colonize Rogue [Progress: 465,918/500,000] [Action Point Locked Until Completed]
      --[X] Colonize Charybdis [Progress: 0/500,000]
      -[X] Research
      --[X] Double Heat Sinks [1.4/6]
      --[X] Advanced Petrusite Theory [2.8/6]
      --[X] Basic Power Armor [2.76/5]
      --[X] Anti-senescence Therapies [2.1/4]
      --[X] Terrain Engineering [2.1/3]
      --[X] E-Mir-gency [0/--]
      -[X] Requisition
      --[X] H11 Accelerator Rifle: Redeveloped by Hephaestus Ltd. after acquiring copies of the VC39, the H11 Accelerator Rifle energizes and fires a burst of Irradiated Petrusite at targets up to 300 meters away to devastating effect.
      --[X] Dropship Design: upgrading the Smilodon to current technology levels
      --[X] Combat Vehicle Design: Helghan Overlord II Dropship
      [X]Plan: buried treasure
      -[X] Develop a Republic-wide series of laws aimed at preserving the local ecology wherever possible. The member systems won't like it, but it'll establish a clear standard and potentially prevent some bad situations. (-1 AP for this year)
      -[X] Start a media campaign in support of the laws and spreading awareness of the short, medium and long term impacts of the mass poisoning and other such environmentally damaging activities plus the damage it will cause to the prosperity of the world by cutting away one of the major sources of value for the moon.
      -[X] Ecotourism: While this by itself may not help to solve the issue, eco tourism can be used to both subsidize and recoup the losses incurred in our efforts to reduce conflicts between thumpers and farmers. If we are lucky, doing this may create an entirely new industry for us on Rouge.
      -[X] All of the Above.
      -[X] Deploy a Squadron of Workhorse ships to assist in quarantine and interdiction of vessels to contain the blight on the planet until a solution is implemented.
      -[X] Infiltrate Civil Administration (Pact) [Easy]: By infiltrating the civilian leadership, we can improve our ability to ferment dissent amongst the populace.
      -[X] Infiltrate Army (Pact) [Medium]: By infiltrating the military, we can more easily raid targets of opportunity and stage incidents.
      -[X] Joint Mineral Exploitation Program - Artru (50m): Having detected numerous mineral deposits across the Aurigan Reach which could prove valuable to both the Republic and the Reach's citizens, organizing a joint mining effort would be beneficial.
      -[X] Joint Mineral Exploitation Program - Gangtok (20m): Having detected numerous mineral deposits across the Aurigan Reach which could prove valuable to both the Republic and the Reach's citizens, organizing a joint mining effort would be beneficial.
      -[X] Broach topic of recovering Tyrlon VI Anomaly: With the Tyrlon VI anomaly located off the coast of the nearest landmass, perhaps the Aurigan Reach could use some help recovering it...
      -[X] Expand FTL Comms Network: Having had to promise to link Taurus to the Republic's own FTL communication network to secure the Taurian vote for the Mutual Defence Pact, we should build said link ASAP.
      -[x] Expand FTL Comms Network: Having had to promise to link Canopus to the Republic's own FTL communication network to secure the Canopian vote for the Mutual Defence Pact, we should build said link ASAP.
      -[X] Infiltrate Mandate Society: Sending intelligence operatives to infiltrate Mandate society will allow us to carry out subversive activities.
      -[X] Invest in Battlemech Construction and Maintenance Facilities: Though the Republic currently has a standing force of battlemechs on Helghan, the parts needed to maintain and repair these vehicles must be custom made to order or else purchased from our neighbours. With the help of some additional funding, we can order work to begin on a factory complex specially designed to construct battlemechs.
      -[X] Construct two Hasta-class cruiser Squadrons: Task your shipyards with constructing Six Hasta Cruisers. [Can be taken up to multiple times a turn]
      --[X] Replace active the Workhorse class cruisers on anti-piracy patrol with the new Hasta class and prepare the Workhorse class for decommissioning and sales to allies.
      -[X] Colonize Rogue
      -[X] Research
      --[X] Double Heat Sinks [1.4/6]
      --[X] Advanced Petrusite Theory [2.8/6]
      --[X] Basic Power Armor [2.76/5]
      --[X] Anti-senescence Therapies [2.1/4]
      --[X] Terrain Engineering [2.1/3]
      --[X] E-Mir-gency [0/--]
      -[X] H405 Keyzer: A worthy successor to the venerable StA-52, the Keyzer continues with Helghast weapon design tradition by melding a bullpup rifle with a high-capacity drum magazine to create something halfway between an assault rifle and a light machine gun. Taking into account feedback from the Helghan military, Hephaestus has motorized the magazine to allow for faster reloading and have introduced a variety of attachments ranging from ACOG scopes to underslung missile launchers.
      -[X] Battlemech Design: Equites-EQU-1HR
      -[X] Dropship Design: upgrading the Smilodon to current technology levels
      [X] Plan Build-Up
      -[X] Lean on Rogue's government to follow their EMU's recommendations to prosecute offenders. Promote pro environmental message and allocate funds for rebuilding damages from wildlife.
      -[X] All of the Above.
      -[X] build up/improve refugee settlements: by building up and improving the refugee settlements with Republic resources and technology we should be able to lay the ground work for them to become an economic powerhouse on the planet while putting the Khan and Pact in a difficult position with increased economic/societal pressure.
      -[X] Sell civilian goods/materials (i.e. food, industrial equipment, electronics, etc.)
      -[X] Joint Mineral Exploitation Program - Gangtok (20m): Having detected numerous mineral deposits across the Aurigan Reach which could prove valuable to both the Republic and the Reach's citizens, organizing a joint mining effort would be beneficial.
      -[X] Offer Joint Design Project (Hephaestus Ltd.): Inviting Vandenberg Mechanized Industries into the Republic was only the first step in a plan to lay the groundwork for a joint research program. The next step involves offering VMI a joint design project with Hephaestus Ltd. [This is mutually exclusive with Offer Joint Design Project (Pharoah Automated Solutions)]
      -[X] Expand FTL Comms Network: Having had to promise to link Taurus to the Republic's own FTL communication network to secure the Taurian vote for the Mutual Defence Pact, we should build said link ASAP.
      -[X] Approve Development Grant (Konstantine Institute of Technology): Inviting Tao Biomedical into the Republic was only the first step in a plan to lay the groundwork for a joint research program with the Magistracy. For the next step, we should approve grants for a proposed Tao-KIT project to develop advanced expert systems for medical diagnosis. [This is mutually exclusive with Approve Development Grant (Arrasate Worker Cooperative)]
      -[X] Construct two Hasta-class cruiser Squadrons: Task your shipyards with constructing Six Hasta Cruisers. [Can be taken up to multiple times a turn] X2
      ---[X] Replace the front line Workhorse class with the new Hasta class and prepare the Workhorse class for decommissioning and sales to allies.
      -[X] Construct a Toxotai-class Guided Missile Cruiser Squadron: Task your shipyards with constructing a squadron of Toxotai Guided Missile Cruisers. [Can be taken up to two times in a turn]
      -[X] H11 Accelerator Rifle: Redeveloped by Hephaestus Ltd. after acquiring copies of the VC39, the H11 Accelerator Rifle energizes and fires a burst of Irradiated Petrusite at targets up to 300 meters away to devastating effect.
      -[X] Battlemech Design: Equites-EQU-1HR
      -[X] Dropship Design: upgrading the Smilodon to current technology levels
      [X] Plan Nero's Lament
      -[X] Develop a Republic-wide series of laws aimed at preserving the local ecology wherever possible. The member systems won't like it, but it'll establish a clear standard and potentially prevent some bad situations. (-1 AP for this year)
      -[X] Import food and provide a job/income guarantee so impacted people can weather the storm. (-30 million C-bills).
      -[X] Broach topic of recovering Tyrlon VI Anomaly: With the Tyrlon VI anomaly located off the coast of the nearest landmass, perhaps the Aurigan Reach could use some help recovering it...
      -[X] Weaken Economy (Pact) [Easy]: By utilizing agents seeded throughout Caliban, we can weaken the economies of target by debasing their currencies with forgeries.
      -[X] Expand FTL Comms Network: Having had to promise to link Coromodir to the Republic's own FTL communication network to secure the Aurigan vote for the Mutual Defence Pact, we should build said link ASAP.
      -[X] Expand FTL Comms Network: Having had to promise to link Taurus to the Republic's own FTL communication network to secure the Taurian vote for the Mutual Defence Pact, we should build said link ASAP.
      -[x] Expand FTL Comms Network: Having had to promise to link Canopus to the Republic's own FTL communication network to secure the Canopian vote for the Mutual Defence Pact, we should build said link ASAP.
      -[X] Survey Helghan for Additional Petrusite Deposits: With the news that Petrusite deposits will eventually regenerate, now is the time to resurvey old mining sites and look for new ones.
      -[X] Invest in Battlemech Construction and Maintenance Facilities: Though the Republic currently has a standing force of battlemechs on Helghan, the parts needed to maintain and repair these vehicles must be custom made to order or else purchased from our neighbours. With the help of some additional funding, we can order work to begin on a factory complex specially designed to construct battlemechs.
      -[X] Raise an Army: Task your military with forming an additional army. [Can be taken multiple times in a turn so long as there is recruitable population remaining]
      -[X] Contact the inhabitants of New Oslo
      -[X] Colonize Rogue
      -[X] Colonize Charybdis [Progress: 0/500,000]
      -[X] Research
      --[X] KF-Drives [0/--]
      --[X] Double Heat Sinks [1.4/6]
      --[X] Advanced Petrusite Theory [2.8/6]
      --[X] Basic Power Armor [2.76/5]
      --[X] Anti-senescence Therapies [2.1/4]
      --[X] Terrain Engineering [2.1/3]
      -[X] H11 Accelerator Rifle: Redeveloped by Hephaestus Ltd. after acquiring copies of the VC39, the H11 Accelerator Rifle energizes and fires a burst of Irradiated Petrusite at targets up to 300 meters away to devastating effect.
      -[X] Combat Vehicle Design: Matriarch Defense Tank
      -[X] Combat Vehicle Design: leo LEO-1H
    Click to expand...
     
  • Voting
    • So my plan didn't win. I'm actually okay with this since i wasn't engaging anyone dispite how hard it was for me. I've basically detoxed since I made those emotional posts.

    So I will explain some parts of my plan.

    coyote16able said:
    -[X] Weaken Economy (Pact) [Easy]: By utilizing agents seeded throughout Caliban, we can weaken the economies of target by debasing their currencies with forgeries.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
    This part was a basic destroy the economy and make it so the Pact couldn't wage war cause they couldn't reliably pay their troops I felt this was the safest Option with less potential for blow back on the HR. After all if their money not trusted who's going to accept being payed in it?

    The Helghan Survey said it before we're just kicking the can on that and want to head that off before all of sudden "Oh that should have been done awhile ago."

    coyote16able said:
    -[X] Raise an Army: Task your military with forming an additional army. [Can be taken multiple times in a turn so long as there is recruitable population remaining]
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...

    With raising an Army um at first It doesn't look like it but when I started putting the small pieces together I realized our military is starting to be stretched thin between our commitments and growth.

    coyote16able said:
    -[X] Contact the inhabitants of New Oslo
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
    With this I mean there as close to our borders as caliban and the sooner we bring them into the fold if possible the better also I'm sure the QM would love less border gore since we're starting to colonize Charybdis this turn. Also probably head off another Caliban situation before it develops.

    Now onto the vehicle I will admit spite and stubborness is part of why I stuck with the Leo and Matriarch. But I'm going to go with the Leo first before I talk about he Matriarch.

    With the Leo is it better then the Lynx? No but it isn't worse then the Lynx it has it's advantages and disadvantages it's an option for a commander to use where maybe a Lynx isn't suited. There's also the Economic reason and I'm not talking about the price compared to the Lynx . I'm talking about the fact that the Leo and Lobo (which I'm going to talk about in a minute) where designed to be exports for milita units. Well right now our biggest buyers are Aurigans and now Rockwellawan. But If you look at history and even in battletech the exported vehicles and weapons used most? Either they where a built to the end users wants or they are in or where in use by the originators country.

    So my plan is with the Leo and the Lobo (which with the Lobo it would make a good Calvary or Mechanized Vehicle) is that our adoption of them will boost sales because potential buyers look and see us use them and go "well they have them, their using them, they confident in them and their willing to sell us some it looks to be legit let's but some." it's simply looking at how historically how purchasing things goes. If the seller has enough confidence in the item they are selling they use it and you can tell that makes you more likely to buy that item.

    So the Matriarch... I finally remembered what it was for it's suppose to engage mechs. They question is that even though mechs are a thing it's mostly conventual armies even in battletech. Well what happens when a mech hit's those conventual units and you're mechs arn't around or too far away to get there in time to prevent large amount of damage? Well that's where the Matriarch comes in it's suppose to be enough of a threat that when it engages a mech the mech has to focus on it. It has the speed that while it might not out run a mech it makes it hard to be hit and maximizes the time it can do damage with all the weapons being in the turret it always has maximum firepower concentrated on the mech. This combined with the fact that well it's not going to be alone or the only one it's going to be 1 of 4 Matriarchs or part of a conventual force all Focusing on a mech or lance of mechs. On it's own a Matriarch is dangerous to a mech but not "holy shit it's a demolisher sitting on my foot" Dangerous but when it's more then one or has back up it's enough of force multiplier that it could be respected like the big three Mech Killers.
     
    Reader mode
    You must login or register to reply here.
    Remove ads
    Back
    Top