KnightofTempest
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I keep forgetting that the Taurians are to the right of us rather than the left.
I blame the way space was described and the lack of an overall sphere map
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I keep forgetting that the Taurians are to the right of us rather than the left.
I blame the way space was described and the lack of an overall sphere map
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Canopian border. The existence of the Augrian Coalition does weird things to the history of the MoC/TC joint colonies in the Fronc reaches. Taurian interests in those colonies are at this point basically nonviable, and unlikely to be developed further.
KnightofTempest
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Yeah. I haven't played the new game so. . .
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Not really it was very likley the AC fell at some point but it was still a minor and unimportant area anyway. The Fronc Reach/New Colony Region that the two developed further had no worlds of the AC to begin with. If the MoC and TC wanted to develop the colonies they could but they already did have joint efforts before they went all-in with the New Colony Region. Fronc is the biggest and most important that is why it was the capital of the region and then the new Nation. But we are here proping up the AC so it is stronger and will be focusing the MoC and TC away from the area so we and the AC can move into the Frontier instead. The TC with the new Worlds taken from the CC and eventually the Pirates' Haven/ local area. The MoC with the area right next to them connecting the MoC to the CC as well as the area the Marian Hegemony is in to remove that threat and develop those worlds for the use of the MoC.
@me.me.here I have swapped the Carrier for the Rockawellen contact and swapped out cybernetics still think it is an important tech but if the other one increases growth rates which is really the only mechanic it can do as we are unlikely to play long enough to see it matter any other way then more people is always a smart move.
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Hmm well I was picturing the turret of an Leo2A7, body of merkava and the mine plows off of a Abrams as the general look.
Well looking at it what else do you think I can change cause Now that I have time at work to think about I am going to drop the cruiser.
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Basically, the new game adds in a faction between the Fronc Reaches and the Taurian Concordat. This makes the Fronc reaches rather odd from a colonization perspective, though the general consensus is that the Augrian Coalition collapses when nobody's looking. Given that the Augrian Coalition is a viable state in this timeline, the Taurians are unlikely to push colonization in that area anywhere near as hard as in canon, and may be willing to essentially "sell" any stakes they may actually have at this point in time.
KnightofTempest
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Yeah like I said earlier, all my Battletech Stuff is from 2012 or earlier. . .
At this point the stuff I'd want you to swap is basically the points where your plan differs from Advent's - plans converging into almost identical ones is a sign of discussion doing it's job, but IMO trying to discuss plans into converging into being completely identical is neither feasible nor desirable.
In terms of actionable stuff, if you're planning on swapping out the cruiser I'd suggest putting in something diplomatic as that's proved popular in recent discussion - so whichever of visas or a fresh contact makes the most sense to you.
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I'm going to go with visa. but before I do so does anyone else have something that maybe changing it that would have you pick or switch you vote I will say I'm thinking about droping the MAWLR and adding another round of Hasta's
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There is a reason I did visas for the TC and MoC and the biggest mining action for the AC. Combined with the mechdur factories and MoC comm for them is a political double hit to tie the allies to us.
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@prometheus110 What is the current state of claims on the various planets that will become the Fronc Reaches with regards to the MoC and TC?
I basically want to get an eye on them because they're the greatest prize in the area, and if someone is going to try to seriously absorb them I want to be in position to notice, and offer a counter bid.
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Okay So for those that voted my plan and others I've done one last Edit to it Dropped ISA cruiser for AC Visa Deal and the MALWR for Contaaction Rockwellawan.
this is my last edit of the plan no more changes. So for those that haven't voted yet I ask you to choose my plan and for those that have voted but not for my plan I can only ask switch your votes please and that if you do it would be much appreciated.
this is my last edit of the plan no more changes. So for those that haven't voted yet I ask you to choose my plan and for those that have voted but not for my plan I can only ask switch your votes please and that if you do it would be much appreciated.
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I'm pretty sure they both claim some of them, but then others are also claimed by the Capellans and some might just be straightup independent.
So the answer is: Confused.
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I know you've changed off of the carrier but you say we'll just update our designs but there comes a point where you can't keep redesigning the same ship, at some point we will need to design new ship classes to incorporate certain technologies like maybe improved structural materials, better warp drives, gravity lifts if we go for them. Don't count on always being able to keep the design the same with some technical improvements. Also, just because we use fighters off of our cruisers does not mean our navy has experience operating a full on carrier. I remind you that it took the UK, US, France and Japan from their initial carrier experiments in the early 1920s until the 1940s to learn all the lessons they needed to about carrier operations and some of those lessons had to be learned the hard way. I'm not saying we don't know how to fly fighters off of our cruisers, we do, but a dedicated carrier is an altogether different beast.
I know non-FTL ships in BT are Dropships rather than being WarShips but we can move them out of the systems they are built in, there are jumpships regularly moving through our space that can move them. Granted those ships are mostly in Portland and there might be one or 2 intermittently in the New Helghan system itself because of the embassies unless our ships handle that. From my reading into BT, in particular into Dropships, there are such things as Pocket WarShips in BT cannon that are little more in the region of what I was suggesting. That list includes ships like the Arondight, Vengeance, Pentagon, Claymore and a variant of the Union as well as a few small carriers so having such ships used to secure important systems isn't all that alien to the BT universe which is already changing a lot just by us being here.
In other more recent topics, contacting Rockwellawan is probably a good idea.
Anyone have a map of the disputed worlds? We might be able to figure out which worlds will be logistically feasible for each side to support then use that to settle the status of those worlds.
Link.
Alternatively, you can just use the threadmark - it's in informational as a map of the Rimward Periphery 3028.
why the hell are the Taurians making claims in the region? they would have to go through the Augs for everything. we could offer to help supply or fiance efforts to claim Pyrrahs, carthage and davtal in exhcange droping the issue form their side then set up some rules for how the rest off the ORDI can try to claim those worlds (basicly try to get everyone to favor he carrot method unless the crappies start nosing around at which point we move in trip wire forces and tell Maxi's little boy to fuck off)
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In short, because the Augrians are a late addition to canon, being created for battletech 2018 and inserted into one of the most busy regions of the Periphery.
KnightofTempest
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Wait so Tiverton would technically be within the boundaries of our claimed space per that map. We should contact them at some point. . .
Cause the Augs were retconned into one of the busiest sections of the periphery for a video game only 2 years ago and no official tabletop sourcebook has come out detailing the new state of this area yet
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Ah, I stand corrected. Does that book detail what happened with the Taurian and Canopian disputed colonial zone that the Augs partially displaced?
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It covers the immediate aftermath of the game, which is set pre 4th succession war. The Fronc reaches were 20ish years later,
KnightofTempest
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The Fronc Reaches were a collection of independent colonies in the periphery before they banded together. It was only because the Taurians, Canopians, and Capellans all had conflicting claims on the region that let those worlds be independent.
The Aurigans only partially displaced that territory. I want to know what the justification is for letting the remainder be free, since the Aurigans effectively cut the Cappies and Taurians off from their claims.
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We do update the designs dude we don't refit ships we just build new ones. And what structural materials they already have all they are getting is new armor, weapons, and different abilities. But they are staying the same model. And dude we have been having carrier and fighter operations since before the Second Extrasolar War. We are not new to this and acting like we are is a bad move. And no we can't move these ships if they were not FTL as not only would the ship be so much bigger than any available jumpship they out mass the the limit for jumpship transport by 5.5 times. So again they would not be exportable or he used to defend anything but the worlds with heavy Shipyards. Even if they could no one could afford them as warships cost several billions at a minimum. Pocket warships aren't a thing yet either as those only came about during the Clan Invasion and afterwards. And dropships are limited in size with the biggest only being 100,000 tons. But they are much weaker than a warship as they don't have capital grade structure or armor which is 10 times as powerful than what the dropships can use. Plus that is what the Lawbringer line of escorts is for in the first place. A cheaper and more easily production of small ships to free up the FTL ships for actions.
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Well, the only ones in the region who ever recognized the Aurigan Coalition as a legitimate nation (rather than rogue territory of the Taurians/Capellans) were the Canopians, and they only did that as a way of writing themselves an excuse to interfere with the regional ambitions of the Taurians and to exert influence over the region via Kamea, as I recall.