That was one hell of a win, doubtless made possible by the tactical genius of Focht and the materiel we poured into Comstar before the battle. I must admit I'm happy to see our efforts paying off and the FRR saved from full annihilation.
 
Yeah something tells me the clans are both going to adopt shields and weapons/tactics to fight shields as soon as they can. This battle shows just how game changing they are.
 
How much of there manpower and ships have the clans lost during this war?

ORDI flat out helped wound, capture or kill 20% of the Warrior caste.

Not "20% of the Warriors present", that's "20% of the entire Warrior Caste".

as you can imagine, the other Invasion corridors sustained further casualties in the Combine and Commonwealth, and more of top of that (from their very best, most elite units) in Lyndon.

So basically, we just completely upturned the political situation due to so many of their leaders and likely successors dying (or being captured).
 
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Yeah something tells me the clans are both going to adopt shields and weapons/tactics to fight shields as soon as they can. This battle shows just how game changing they are.
Easier said then done even before we turned a noticeable fraction of their population into corpses and/or cripples. Give it long enough and the IS will have rebuilt enough of the military industrial complex the Clans cease to matter nearly as much. Clans are a extremely militarized but very small cult compared to any one IS state.
 
We don't know it's just likey they got some of our weapons and wanted their own so give it to there scientists and they found out they actually had a planet that naturally had it and then start making their own stuff.
I'm fairly certain that they already had pet tech before running into us it's just that they probably decided that petrusite is dezgra and abandoned it until they ran into us.
 
What is Helgans standing now, at the end of the first Clan War, in comparison to how it began when it first arrived in The Inner Sphere? What do the other powers of the sphere see when the look to the world of Mawlers and Defensive Orbital Stations? What do the Clans see? What do the Helgans see?
 
I'm fairly certain that they already had pet tech before running into us it's just that they probably decided that petrusite is dezgra and abandoned it until they ran into us.
Given how quickly we did see petrusite-equipped naval units arrive into the theatre, given how involved naval refits are, I think that they did have quite a few units equipped with petrusite; it's just that they're at the absolute bottom of the petrusite tech tree, and decided to prioritize equipping certain big ticket items such as warships, rather than ground units. The clans slammed into the fleets of the Inner Sphere at Skandia and Ark-Royal with multiple shielded battleships; even with the peace that came with the ilKhan election, that suggests they had petrusite-equipped battleships beforehand, and what's more, I believe we noticed a clan McKenna-class battleship equipped with primitive naval arc cannons before that. It is odd that the Clans didn't apply petrusite to ground units first, given the way they favour ground combat, but it may have been the case that the first clan to find a petrusite source were the Snow Ravens who decided to prioritize the big ticket items in their fleet, and that reflected their subsequent doctrinal choices in applying it to naval combat first. Petrusite is also arguably easier to use on warships early on, as well. IIRC, the narrative description of how we developed shields was that we developed shields rated for naval combat first and only after that did we manage to miniaturize them enough for ground units. If the clans are lower on the petrusite tech tree than ORDI is, that makes sense. They, after all, likely do not have a major capital on a petrusite planet.
Being fair, not using pet tech because of the potential political blowback isn't stupid if you're in a constant twenty way free for all that has a history of sides that buck the culture too much being dogpiled and killed.
In fairness, the clans haven't been shy about introducing brand new tech; they just generally try to prevent it from proliferating in order to maintain their own competitive advantage vs the other clans. Petrusite weaponry may have spread slowly outside of the clan that developed it because said clan spent a lot to protect it, and the clan that developed it may have also kept their development of it quiet and played coy in order to prevent a rush of trials to get petrusite—hence why they may have refit warships, which are expensive but rarely used, with it first, before demonstrating how capable these weapons were on the ground.
 
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Given how quickly we did see petrusite-equipped naval units arrive into the theatre, given how involved naval refits are, I think that they did have quite a few units equipped with petrusite; it's just that they're at the absolute bottom of the petrusite tech tree, and decided to prioritize equipping certain big ticket items such as warships, rather than ground units. The clans slammed into the fleets of the Inner Sphere at Skandia and Ark-Royal with multiple shielded battleships; even with the peace that came with the ilKhan election, that suggests they had petrusite-equipped battleships beforehand, and what's more, I believe we noticed a clan McKenna-class battleship equipped with primitive naval arc cannons before that. It is odd that the Clans didn't apply petrusite to ground units first, given the way they favour ground combat, but it may have been the case that the first clan to find a petrusite source were the Snow Ravens who decided to prioritize the big ticket items in their fleet, and that reflected their subsequent doctrinal choices in applying it to naval combat first. Petrusite is also arguably easier to use on warships early on, as well. IIRC, the narrative description of how we developed shields was that we developed shields rated for naval combat first and only after that did we manage to miniaturize them enough for ground units. If the clans are lower on the petrusite tech tree than ORDI is, that makes sense. They, after all, likely do not have a major capital on a petrusite planet.

My money's on not yet reaching that point in the tech tree. Or at least that's my wish. Far more likely that Clans thought shields and pet weapons were, uh, too unclanlike for the mechwarriors. :V
 
And so Lyndon comes to a end and what a nail biter it was, it makes canon Tukayyid look like a cake walk. The shields we gave to Comstar just before the battle came in clutch here at the end. The Innersphere will have it's peace and the Clans will have there internal struggles as is implied by Khan Wards anger towards the Ravens.

Both sides fought admirably but in the end the Clans own culture worked against them leading to Comstar's win. For the next decade or so the current borders will likely remain as they currently are. Edit: With the exception of the Smoke Jaguars occupation zone which will likely be absorbed by another clan or Rasalhague will be lucky and those planets are able to trow off the remaining Clanners by themselves and rejoin the Republic though the latter is unlikely.

Also something I realized here at the end unlike canon Tukayyid there where basically no city battles here which likely made the fight even harder for Comstar as they couldn't turn those cities into death zones. But they still won and with less forces then canon. Even if there a bunch of religious nuts you have to be honest this achievement was incredibly impressive.
 
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The Lords Of Ruin (Roleplay) - TV Tropes

The year is 2364 and the Helghan Republic has emerged from the fires of war and chaos to an uncertain future. Four years ago, the CEO of Stahl industries accidentally unleashed a weapon of genocidal potential on the inhabitants of Helghan. With a …
 
In fairness, the clans haven't been shy about introducing brand new tech; they just generally try to prevent it from proliferating in order to maintain their own competitive advantage vs the other clans. Petrusite weaponry may have spread slowly outside of the clan that developed it because said clan spent a lot to protect it, and the clan that developed it may have also kept their development of it quiet and played coy in order to prevent a rush of trials to get petrusite—hence why they may have refit warships, which are expensive but rarely used, with it first, before demonstrating how capable these weapons were on the ground.
The main reason that a clan would be leery about introducing Petrusite on the ground is that it's much more likely to kill the enemy mechwarrior than normal weapons due to its constant TACing. The military edge could easily be not worth the political headaches if they kill a Khan or two during their debut and gain their clan a new eternal rival.
 
Fuck me running that was tense. Did the Wolves lose or was it just a draw?

In fairness, the clans haven't been shy about introducing brand new tech; they just generally try to prevent it from proliferating in order to maintain their own competitive advantage vs the other clans. Petrusite weaponry may have spread slowly outside of the clan that developed it because said clan spent a lot to protect it, and the clan that developed it may have also kept their development of it quiet and played coy in order to prevent a rush of trials to get petrusite—hence why they may have refit warships, which are expensive but rarely used, with it first, before demonstrating how capable these weapons were on the ground.

Wars of Reaving goes occasionally into detail that due to the various Clans' Warrior castes not wanting something that would rock the boat too much, there were/are hundreds of weapon variations of things the Scientists/Society had tucked away. Throwaway lines from that whole event about various 'rejected' items that sounded like an ER version of a VSPL, a scatter laser, and yes the infamous Railgun. Ferro-Lamellor for Mechs was available in 2800...but it had originally been prototyped for conventional vehicles so nobody (outside Hell's Horse, maybe, and they didn't invent it, so never knew of it) wanted it, so it got sat on for decades. And all of those had gathered dust for upwards of half a century or even multiple centuries.

ATMs & Heavy Lasers had been 'sat on' by the Scientist Caste since the early-2900s because the Warrior caste didn't want them. Because they were too paradigm breaking for their honor code:

HvyLas breaks the mold for lights, in that new trainees in their 1st Trial of Position could bulrush an opponent, and pull the trigger, and have extremely high odds of winning. Even if the trainee has crap piloting skills.

ATMs outrange anything on the field that isn't a an AC2/LBX2 plinking, and get horrifically nastier if you get close, and hit hard enough to force an opponent to close to a range that is dictated by the ATM user.
 
Did the Wolves lose or was it just a draw?
The Wolf Khan negotiated for a draw because he saw there was no way he could win anymore. Which might actually not be true but he was so tired he couldn't think of a way to win anymore.

But even if it was a draw that means Lyndon is a victory for the Innersphere. And man I hope someone in the ComStar command staff brought some good wine or beer because they absolutely earned it.
 
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The Wolf Khan negotiated for a draw because he saw there was no way he could win anymore. Which might actually not be true but he was so tired he couldn't think of a way to win anymore.
Between the tiredness or the stimulants, his mental stability would have been shot anyway.

Though because of the Wolf's draw instead of their outright victory of OTL, I have the feeling any Refusal War analogue is going to be...significantly messier.
 
Though because of the Wolf's draw instead of their outright victory of OTL, I have the feeling any Refusal War analogue is going to be...significantly messier.
This version of the refusal war will likely be aimed at the Ravens because some Clans likely think they pulled out of Lyndon to early. However the Ravens straight up have the most intact warrior cast out of all the Clans that took part in the invasion even Lyndon didn't really touch it. And with there naval forces (even though there damaged) they will have a advantage over any clan that tries to attack them.

Honestly I wonder which Clan got out of Lyndon the worst and who got out the best. Like the Ravens and Bears are likely the most intact with the Goliath Scorpions potentially coming out the worst (it did say they were basically annihilated which makes me think there time on Lyndon was as bad as it was for most Clans on canon Tukayyid).
 
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Hmmm here's a thought…will this battle change who develops Proto-Mechs?
I think either the Scorpions or Jaguars will develop them and personally I think it will be the Jaguars again. The Jaguars got absolutely smashed even worse then they did in canon and are the weakest they have ever been so there incredibly desperate to rebuild there forces. After all there usual tactic of bullying the other Clans to get what they need simply isn't a option at the moment because there that weak. So they NEED to rebuild the forces NOW or otherwise there going to be absorbed by another Clan. I do not envy the amount of stress the new Khan of the Jaguars must be feeling.
 
This version of the refusal war will likely be aimed at the Ravens because some Clans likely think they pulled out of Lyndon to early. However the Ravens straight up have the most intact warrior cast out of all the Clans that took part in the invasion even Lyndon didn't really touch it. And with there naval forces (even though there damaged) they will have a advantage over any clan that tries to attack them.

Honestly I wonder which Clan got out of Lyndon the worst and who got out the best. Like the Ravens and Bears are likely the most intact with the Goliath Scorpions potentially coming out the worst (it did say they were basically annihilated which makes me think there time on Lyndon was as bad as it was for most Clans on canon Tukayyid).
I am actually somewhat surprised the Goliath Scorpions were so unprepared for Lyndon compared to certain other clans, given they were also exposed to Inner Sphere warfare to a roughly equivalent degree as most of the other clans that made it to Lyndon (the Smoke Jaguars were exposed to Inner Sphere warfare to a much greater degree than anyone else, courtesy of ORDI, of course, but that just meant that they didn't make it to Lyndon). While they are apparently fairly known for sticking to Zellbrigen in inter-clan warfare, they should also be the ones that retained the most knowledge of the old SLDF combined arms manuals, given it was technically Goliath Scorpion officers that trained the Wolf's Dragoons on said combined arms manuals.

ComStar breaking out the entire combined arms playbook along with the Big Book of Dezgra Tricks shouldn't have been that surprising for them.

At the same time, the Goliath Scorpions aren't necessarily the wealthiest clan; perhaps they were hampered by deficiencies in war matériel, combined with just pure bad luck. For example, we saw a Goliath Scorpion warrior piloting a captured Inner Sphere mech. However, that could also reflect uniform attrition among the clans forcing multiple clans to use captured Inner Sphere mechs in frontline units, rather than their preference for omnimechs (and in a pinch, IIc model mechs). After all, we saw a Wolf frontline cluster using a Warhammer (and not one specified to be a Warhammer IIc) in the recent update. It could be that the strains of fighting a much more industrialized Inner Sphere has actually forced multiple clans to utilize captured mechs in frontline formations.
 
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