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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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    Votes: 593 80.4%

  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%
  • Total voters
    738
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CyberNinja said:
Which is exactly what we've been trying to do, repeatedly, to our own detriment. We're not the ruler of the trust, we're simply a member. No nation likes their sovereignty being threatened by an outside force. Giving them money and forgiving debt will quiet some complaints for a time but it doesn't address the issue which only makes things worse for us when we continue to confirm their fears with our actions.
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Well, this may not be the case in 40K universe, but typical Western understanding does not include propaganda under "sovereignty".

Traditionally, threats to sovereignty would require some form of coercion.

Threats to life, liberty, or property.

Planting slanted news stories is generally considered rude, and people don't like it, but it's hardly a threat to Vanaheim's sovereignty.

CyberNinja said:
No one likes the Xenos, Avernites were optimistic but after the scandal their approval dropped. The Xenos went from disliking to hating us, next is Vanaheim level loathing. Despite this, no one else in the trust is going to to take a fleet and bombard the Xenos cities. I seriously don't know why we're focusing on trying to change the trust's view of Xenos when we have done almost nothing diplomatically with the Xenos since they've arrived. Again, the Xenos hate us, we haven't proved to the trust at all that we can work with Xenos, quite the opposite in fact. Once the Xenos actually like us, then we can focus on changing the trust's view of them. Maybe once we've made some progress there we can bring it up in the next trust meeting. Until then, stop bringing up the quartok with the rest of the trust.
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We haven't done anything with the Quartoks because they are a long term investment, and do not really have anything we can work on much. Other than investigating them and discovering landmines for xenos-human relations (like we already did).

CyberNinja said:
*We can go back to being memetic space Australians instead of a caricature of imperialist America.
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"Imperialist" I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Propagandizing Vanaheim to not hate our protectorate is not imperialist.
 
[X] Plan Four Actions

@Addio
So very, very much fun. Tranth is a lady-killer, Henry is the kind of dad I want to be if I ever have the pleasure. Avernus life-expectancy dropped somehow, so the kid-gloves apparently came off at some point. *shudder*
 
Shard said:
More questions.. (Sry..)

1. For this specific ship design (based entirely around holding psyker choirs), is is still ~500 of trained minor psykers that could be safely fit in?
2. What's the effective range of Telepathy Psyker-Sniping? (Even if they'll know, using it in fleet-to-fleet combat to eliminate psykers, (esp diviners) is probs good idea.)
a. Can a Telepathy Choir in space apply their powers to targets groundside?
b. Sniping Enemy Generals?
c. Sniping Enemy Psykers?
3. Is it possible to locate leaders onboard ships and snipe them with a telepathy choir at range? (Divination/Telepathy Choir?)
4. Using major psyker powers in a choir would basically allow any psyker to find them?
5. Can a Telepathy Choir on groundside target spaceborn targets?
a. How far?
6. Does the technology exist for building places/things to specifically amplify/assist choirs?
a. Can we develop one, if it doesn't exist?

The more I look at this, the more it looks like it's a sniper ship. Probably hide out somewhere and snipe all the important people on the opposing side before/while battle is happening.

Possibly something more practical might be a compartment within a command battleship that is warded insanely to allow, say, 4 telepathy choirs with 200~300 People each and repeat telapthy-nuking enemies while in the safety of the extremely heavily armored ship.
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1. yes
2a a few light seconds but it is very hard to do though Void Shields, wards or any other defences
2b and c. yes but if the target is warded or decently strong it will be very hard
4. not though void shields
5a. yes, at a light second or so at the most
6. no
6a. no, you are several steps to low of the tech tree,
 
durin said:
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Vote Tally : Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) | Page 2048 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.4

[X] Plan Four Actions
-[X] Accept Olaf's version of the debt forgiveness idea.
-[X] Donate an additional 5% of the debt to the Imperial Trust Navy.
-[X] You will make a brief personal visit to Vanaheim next year to give a public apology in front of the Althing, and come to do a cultural tour later on when things have calmed down in twenty years or so.
-[X] Agree to a 20% reduction on prices for Metal over the next half-century.
No. of Votes: 18
Plan: ◈Four Actions
Alex pears
Briefvoice
cl20
Darkcrest
DarknessSmiles
Elder Haman
Enjou
Fanhunter696
HanEmpire
Kyushiro
Praetor98
Reader of all
ReaperofInterest
Shard
SirHades2.0
Valerian
Vyrexuviel
Zrayz10

[X] Plan Five Actions
-[X] Accept Olaf's version of the debt forgiveness idea.
-[X] Donate an additional 5% of the debt to the Imperial Trust Navy.
-[X] You will make a brief personal visit to Vanaheim next year to give a public apology in front of the Althing, and come to do a cultural tour later on when things have calmed down in twenty years or so.
-[X] You will talk to Saint Lin, and if nothing else you can likely get him to come to make politically neutral sermons on Vanaheim.
-[X] Agree to a 20% reduction on prices for Metal over the next half-century.
No. of Votes: 2
Plan: ◈Five Actions
Angelform
Derek58

[X] Adopt suggestions as proposed by Olaf.
-[X] 20% discount on metal until next meeting.
No. of Votes: 1
Superticus

[X] Plan Five Actions - Lin neutrality
-[X] Accept Olaf's version of the debt forgiveness idea.
-[X] Donate an additional 5% of the debt to the Imperial Trust Navy.
-[X] You will make a brief personal visit to Vanaheim next year to give a public apology in front of the Althing, and come to do a cultural tour later on when things have calmed down in twenty years or so.
-[X] You will talk to Saint Lin, and ask him to spend some time on Vanaheim Keeping the Faith without involving him in politics.
-[X] Agree to a 20% reduction on prices for Metal over the next half-century.
No. of Votes: 0
Plan: ◈Five Actions - 『b』Lin neutrality『/b』

[X] Plan Five Actions - Lin neutrality
No. of Votes: 0
Plan: ◈Five Actions - Lin neutrality

Total No. of Voters: 21
 
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The Ninths Meeting of the High Council Part Six: Trading Begins
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    • The Ninths Meeting of the High Council Part Six: Trading Begins

    After finishing your plan on dealing with the recent issues between Vanaheim and Avernus with Governor Olaf your retired for the night. The next day trade talks started between the gathered governors, in which the main trade routs of the next half century will be set up.
    -[X] Accept Olaf's version of the debt forgiveness idea.
    -[X] Donate an additional 5% of the debt to the Imperial Trust Navy.
    -[X] You will make a brief personal visit to Vanaheim next year to give a public apology in front of the Althing, and come to do a cultural tour later on when things have calmed down in twenty years or so.
    -[X] Agree to a 20% reduction on prices for Metal over the next half-century.

    Note you now do not need any merchantmen for NA cargo routes and can use fractions of a merchantman for a route. It is assumed that all merchantman now have Navigators. Can store credit with all other planets

    10 available Mass Conveyors
    48 available Merchantmen
    each Merchantman provides 1 Cargo
    each Mass Conveyor provides 20 Cargo
    in total you have 228 cargo to use

    relationship: 14/10
    distance 18 LY
    Asgard owes Avernus 3,988 Cr

    Can Sell
    42 Cr (NA cargo)=1 Knight Titan per year (up to 100 times)
    5 Cr (NA cargo)= 1,000,000 Thrones per year (up to 500 times)
    16 Cr (0.1 cargo)=1,000,000 Promethium per year (up to 100 times)

    Can Buy
    66.9 Cr (0.1 cargo)=1,000,000 Metal per year (up to 500 times)
    70.1 Cr (0 Cargo)= 1,000 Advanced Material per year (up to 200 times)
    70.3 Cr (0 Cargo)=10 Exotic Material per year (up to 30 times)
    80.5 Cr (1 Cargo) =10 units of food per year (up to 100 times)
    distance: 14 LY
    Relationship: 5/10
    You Owe Alfheim 26.9 Cr

    Can Buy
    70.4 Cr (0 Cargo)= 10 Exotic Material per year (up to 100 times)
    70.1 Cr (0 Cargo)= 1,000 Advanced Material per year (up to 200 times)
    5 Cr (0 Cargo)= 1,000,000 Thrones per year (up to 50 times)
    84.5 Cr (0.8 Cargo) =10 units of food per year (no limit)

    Can Sell
    10 Cr (0 Cargo) =Training (15 regiments assigned to Alfheim for next half century, can be taken once)
    5 Cr (0 Cargo)= 1,000,000 Thrones per year (up to 500 times)
    relationship: 1/10
    distance: 21 LY
    Owes you 3,600,058.6 Cr you are giving Vanaheim a 20% discount for diplomatic reasons, it would be best to reduce the debt that Vanaheim owes you this turn

    Can buy
    2,088 Cr= 1 Helheim Patten Fast Mass Conveyor (can be taken 5 times)
    1,214 Cr= 1 Helheim Patten Defence Cruiser (can be taken 40 times)
    54.5 =1 Defence Monitor (can be taken 1,000 times)
    6.3 Cr (0 Cargo)= 1,000,000 Thrones per year (can be taken 1,000 times)
    97.4 Cr (0.117 Cargo)=1,000,000 Material per year (up to 1,000 times)

    Can sell
    57.4 Cr (0.117 Cargo)=1,000,000 Metal per year (no limit)
    6.3 Cr (0 Cargo)= 1,000,000 Thrones per year (up to 300 times)
    distance: 11 LY
    Relationship: 7/10
    Jotunheim owes Avernus 1,680 Cr

    Can Buy
    68.5 Cr (0.064 Cargo)= 1,000,000 Metal (up to 200 times)
    20.8 Cr (0.064 Cargo)= 1,000,000 Promethium (up to 500 times)

    Can Sell
    10 Cr (0 Cargo) =Training (10 regiments assigned to Jotunheim for next half century, can be taken once)
    5 Cr (0 Cargo)= 1,000,000 Thrones per year (up to 200 times)
    80.5 Cr (0.064 Cargo)= 1,000,000 Material per year (up to 100 times)
    70.3 Cr (0 Cargo)= 10 Exotic Material per year (up to 50 times)
    70 Cr (0 Cargo)= 1,000 Advanced Material per year (up to 200 times)
    relationship:9/10
    distance: 7 LY
    Midgard owes you 60,351.8 Cr
    Can Sell
    67.1 Cr (0.043 Cargo)=1,000,000 Metal per year (no limit)
    80.5 Cr (0.43) Cargo) =10 units of food per year (no limit)

    Can buy
    5.1 Cr (0 cargo)= 1,000,000 Thrones per year (up to 15,000 times)
    80.6 Cr (0.043 Cargo)=1,000,000 Material per year (up to 1,000 times)
    relationship: 4/10
    distance: 11 LY

    Can buy
    5.2 Cr (0 cargo)= 1,000,000 Thrones per year (up to 1,000 times)
    71 Cr (0 Cargo)= 1,000 Advanced Material per year (up to 1,000 times)

    Can sell
    15 Cr (NA cargo)=Training (50 regiments assigned to Svartalfheim for next half century, can be taken once)
    67.9 Cr (0.064 Cargo)=1,000,000 Metal per year (up to 1,000 times)
    16 Cr (0. 064 Cargo)=1,000,000 Promethium per year (up to 1o0 times)
    5.2 Cr (0 cargo)= 1,000,000 Thrones per year (up to 100 times)
    relationship:9/10
    distance: 5 LY

    Can sell
    5 Cr (NA cargo)=Training (11 regiments assigned to Muspelheim for next fifty years)
    80.6 Cr (0.043 Cargo)=1,000,000 Material per year (up to 100 times)
    16 Cr (0. 043 Cargo)=1,000,000 Promethium per year (up to 500 times)
    5.1 Cr (0 cargo)= 1,000,000 Thrones per year (up to 200 times)

    Can buy
    5.1 Cr (0 cargo)= 1,000,000 Thrones per year (up to 50 times)
    71.8 Cr (0 Cargo)=10 Exotic Material per year (up to 1,000 times)
    71 Cr (0 Cargo)= 1,000 Advanced Material per year (up to 1,200 times)
    10.2 Cr (-1 Cargo)= Rent space on Mass Conveyor (up to 800 times)

    relationship:5/10
    distance: 6 LY
    Avernus owes Nilfheim: 994.3 Credits

    Can Buy
    17.8 Cr= 1,000,0000 Promethium per year (up to 1,000 times)
    71 Cr=1,000 Advanced Material per year (up to 1,000 times)
    71 Cr=10 Exotic Material per year (up to 500 times)

    Can Sell
    80.5 Cr (0.04 Cargo)= 1,000,0000 Material per year (up to 200 times)
    5.1 Cr (0.04 Cargo)= 1,000,0000 Thrones per year (up to 200 times)
    67.2 Cr (0.04 Cargo)=1,000,0000 Metal per year (up to 200 times)
     
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    • So is it me or do we not ever seem to be in dire need for anything? I always feel that we have virtually unlimited hard currency on hand to buy things.

    As for trading..i have no idea what to go after. Ever.

    Can someone clue me in abit and possibly whoever else is lost on these parts?
     
    Ok we have an annual deficit of -601,721 AM and -5,431 EM, so lets at least get double that in trade. Ideally at least one million more AM and 10k more EM than that. Putting togther a plan that has going to the max debt with each planet for max AM/EM right now, except Vanaheim and aiming to cut the debt there by as much as we can. Metalwise trying to balance shipping the majority h right to Vanaheim and importing enough to keep us net positive there. On trading our other resources like Thrones, Promethium and the rest, we can trade to the max considering our vast annual incomes.

    @durin , what are the limits for going into debt with the other planets?

    Alex pears said:
    We are running a deficit of AM, EM and metal.

    The metal situation is resolvable in around 10-15 years for the first mine to be finished, but the AM and EM situation will be taking a lot longer to resolve.
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    We actually do not have a metal deficit right now, except if we trade so we can control that.
     
    CharlBaal said:
    We only have to trade the vast majority of our metal income to Vanaheim, no need to go super overboard into metal deficit that we would run out before the mines expand. I am seeing how much we can import in metal with regard to cargo to boost our exports to Vanaheim
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    I know that, I made note of that, but we're probably still going to have to go into the red.
     
    CharlBaal said:
    Ok we have an annual deficit of -601,721 AM and -5,431 EM, so lets at least get double that in trade. Ideally at least one million more AM and 10k more EM than that. Putting togther a plan that has going to the max debt with each planet for max AM/EM right now, except Vanaheim and aiming to cut the debt there by as much as we can. Metalwise trying to balance shipping the majority h right to Vanaheim and importing enough to keep us net positive there. On trading our other resources like Thrones, Promethium and the rest, we can trade to the max considering our vast annual incomes.

    @durin , what are the limits for going into debt with the other planets?



    We actually do not have a metal deficit right now, except if we trade so we can control that.
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    at the moment no limits
     
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