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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%

  • No

    Votes: 145 19.6%
  • Total voters
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Did we not get any increase to relations from the debt reduction?

Should these be in per year, or per turn?
 
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Would say we go full out buying from Vanaheim.

5x Helheim Patten Fast Mass Conveyor (10,440 Cr)
40x Helheim Patten Defence Cruiser (48,560 Cr)
1000x Defence Monitor (54,500)

(113,300 Cr)

We gonna need all transport later. (colonies/trade/etc.)
Should sign trade deal with Vanaheim on 40x Helheim Patten Fast Mass Conveyor.

Then fill Helheim mass Conveyor with material. Further stockpiling our reserves.
We should aim toward having minium 50 years of reserves In every field. (Food/Metal/etc.)

But I would want 80 years of reserves. As safe-backup plan incase of warpstorm isolate us.
 
Objectives:
Obtain at least 1,000,000 AM per year through trade.
Obtain at least 10,000 EM per year through trade.
Don't go too far into debt.
Reduce Vanaheim Debt
Don't totally botch Metal issues.

Current scheme (PRELIMINARY):

Asgard
(3,988 Debt to Avernus)
Sell
(4,200 Cr) - 100 Knight Titans per Year
(2,500 Cr) - 500,000,000 Thrones per Year
(1,600 Cr) - 100,000,000 Promethium per Year.
(12288 Cr to spend)
Buy
(14020 Cr) - 200,000 AM

(1,732 Cr in Debt to Asgard)

Alfheim
(26.9 Debt to Alfheim)
Sell
(10 Cr) - Training
(2,500 Cr) - 500,000,000 Thrones per Year
Buy
(7,040 Cr) - 1,000 EM per year

(4556.9 Cr in debt to Alfheim)

Vanaheim
(3,600,058.6 Owed to Avernus)
Sell
(1890 Cr) - 300,000,000 Thrones
(??? Cr) - ??? Metal

Buy
??????

Jotunheim
(1680 Cr owed to Avernus)
Sell
(10 Cr) - Training
(1,000 Cr) - 200,000,000 Thrones per Year
(8050 Cr) - 100,000,000 Material per Year
Buy
(13700 Cr) - 200,000,000 Metal

Midgard
(60,351.8 owed to Avernus)
Sell
(1610 Cr) - 2,000 Food/Year
Buy
(??? Cr) - ??? Material

Svartalfheim
Sell
(15 Cr) - Training
(520 Cr) - 100,000,000 Thrones per Year
(67,900 Cr) - 1,000,000,000 Metal per Year
(1,600 Cr) - 100,000,000 Promethium per Year
Buy
(71,000 Cr) - 1,000,000,000 AM per Year

Muspelheim
Sell
(5 Cr) - Training
(1020 Cr) - 200,000,000 Thrones per year
(8060 Cr) - 100,000,000 Material per Year
(8000 Cr) - 500,000,000 Promethium per Year

Buy
(28720 Cr) - 4,000 EM per Year

(11635 Cr owed to Muspelhim)

Niflheim
(994.3 Cr Owed to Niflheim)
Sell
(16100 Cr) - 200,000,000 Material per Year
(1020 Cr) - 200,000,000 Thrones per Year
(13440 Cr) - 200,000,000 Metal per Year
Buy
(35500 Cr) - 5,000 EM per Year

(5935.7 Cr owed to Niflheim)

Total:
+1,200,000,000 AM
+10,000 EM
-1,900,000,000 Thrones
-400,000,000 Material
-700,000,000 Promethium
-1,000,000,000 Metal

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I don't really like trade turns - Could there be a simplification, whereby we could use credits with one planet as credits to another planet, or something? It's like having 9 currency systems, the way we are now.

I'd prefer we be able to just trade with the Imperial Trust as a whole instead of having 8 separate trade agreements.
 
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You know, it's just been 500~400 turns since the daemonic incursion. I wonder what the odds are we'll get another one before we get back to Avernus.

Maybe on page 2222?

@durin

Do you have anything special prepared for page 2222? Just wondering.

(And also post 55555)
 
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@durin For trade, or even outside of it, would it be possible for us to help equip Midgard's military with more advance equipment if they help cover the cost? Like an arms contract or something?
 
Anyway, I don't really like the current trade system. I'd prefer if trading was done with the Imperial Trust as a whole (especially if the trust gets bigger due to resource colonies and whatnot), not with 8 other individual planets. It would make writing up trading much simplere and easier.
Superticus said:
How do you figure that number?
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I dinnae know durin's encounter tables, so I can't give reasonable odds, or even apply statistics*. Though strictly speaking daemonic incursion started was on page 1553, ended in Page 1614 and it's page 2054 now.

Assuming he rolls 3d100 to decide, tho, then -
Triple-identical result (Ex: 1,1,1; 55,55,55) - 0.01% - Will probably have very interesting results.

Not sure about the others.

*I could, but it'd be.. inaccurate. Really inaccurate. And misleading. Sample Size 1 is unhelpful.
 
Alex pears said:
For 10 billion people?

Doubt it the upfront AM cost must be exuberant, never mind the maintenance bill per year even if they suffer less wear and tear due to not being in constant use.

Svartfalhiem I could see doing it, but only if they devoted they're entire production too it.
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Obviously we couldn't do their entire military right away, but over the course of 50~100 years? And the AM cost would be at least partially covered by them I imagine.
 
Ok we have an annual deficit of -601,721 AM and -5,431 EM, so lets at least get double that in trade. Ideally at least one million more AM and 10k more EM than that. This plan goes to the max debt with each planet for max AM/EM right now, except Vanaheim and aiming to cut the debt there by as much as we can. Metalwise trying to ship 200 cargo worth right to Vanaheim and some lesser amounts to Svartalfheim and Niflheim and importing enough to keep us not too much in the red. Midgard is getting a bit of trade from us to keep them happy some.


Getting a total income of 10,869 EM and 2,798,279 AM, and -413,735,110 Metal which is not too shabby.


This can best be regarded as an investment towards fastest upteching of our forces and repaying our debted allies through the expanded resources of our lunar hives.

Regardless it does look like we will need to go deep into debt to get EM positive.

[x] Maximum Trade

Asgard
Asgard will be owed 37,291 credits by Avernus
Sell- 12,288 credits
-4,200 Crs- 100 Knight Titan per year
-2,500 Cr- 500,000,000 Thrones per year
-1,600 Cr- 100,000,000 Promethium per year - 11 Cargo

Buy- 49,577 credits
-14,020 Cr- 200,000 Advanced Material per year
-2,109 Cr- 300 Exotic Material per year
-33,450 Cr- 500,000,000 Metal per year - 50 cargo


Alfheim
Alfheim will be owed 18576.9 credits by Avernus
Sell- 2,510 credits
-10 Cr Training
-2,500 Cr- 500,000,000 Thrones per year


Buy- 21,060 credits
-7,040 Cr- 1000 Exotic Material per year
-14,020 Cr- 200000 Advanced Material per year


Vanaheim
Vanaheim will owe 3,580,258.6 Cr credits to Avernus
Sell- 100,450 Cr- 1,750,000,000 Metal per year- 204.75 Cargo

Buy- 119,800 credits
10,440 Cr- 5 Helheim Patten Fast Mass Conveyor
48,560 Cr- 40 Helheim Patten Defence Cruiser
54,500 Cr- 1,000 Defence Monitors
6,300 Cr- 1,000,000,000 Thrones per year


Jotunheim
Jotunheim will owe 11,040 credits to Avernus
Sell- 23,060 credits
10 Cr- Training
1,000 Cr- 200,000,000 Thrones per year
8,050 Cr - 100,000,000 Material per year- 6.4 Cargo
14,000- 200,000,000 Advanced Material per year

Buy- 13,700- 200,000,000 Metal per year- 12.8 Cargo


Midgard
Midgard will owe you 75,111.8 Cr
Sell- 14,760 Credits
- 8,050 Cr -1,000 units of food per year- 43 Cargo
-6,710 Cr -100,000,000 Metal per year- 4.3 Cargo


Svartalfheim
Svartalfheim will be owed 57,395 credits by Avernus
Sell- 13,605 cr
15 Cr -Training
5,200 Cr - 100,000,000 Thrones per year
1,600 Cr- 100,000,000 Promethium per year - 6.4 Cargo
6,790 Cr- 100,000,000 Metal per year- 6.4 Cargo

Buy- 71,000 Cr - 1,000,000 Advanced Material per year


Muspelheim
Muspelheim will be owed 141,465.4 credits by Avernus
Sell- 17,085 Credits
5 Cr -Training
8060 Cr - 100,000,000 Material per year - 4.3 cargo
8000 Cr - 500,000,000 Promethium per year- 21.5 cargo
1020 Cr - 200,000,000 Thrones per year

Buy- 158,550.4 credits
71800 Cr- 10,000 Exotic Material per year
85200 Cr- 1,200,000 Advanced Material per year
1,550.4 Cr- 152 Cargo space rented on Mass Conveyor


Niflheim
Avernus will owe Nilfheim: 90,374.3 Credits
Sell- 17120
16,100 Cr - 200,000,000 Material per year- 4 cargo
1,020 Cr - 200,000,000 Thrones per year
6,720 Cr- 100,000,000 Metal per year- 4 cargo

Buy- 106,500 Cr
35500- 5000 Exotic Material per year
71000- 1,000,000 Advanced Material per year
 
CharlBaal said:
-413,735,110 Metal which is not too shabby.
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CharlBaal said:
Sell- 100,450 Cr- 1,750,000,000 Metal per year- 204.75 Cargo
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I'm not really sure we should be selling so much metal to Vanaheim - we only sold 500,000,000 last time, and trading ourself back into a net shortage doesn't seem to be a good idea. I know we're planning on increasing our capacity by expanding our mines, but we're going to have spending that we'll have to do between now and then that might be metal heavy.

I want to make my own plan, but I'm a bit busy at the moment so it won't be until later today.
 
Shard said:
Objectives:
Obtain at least 1,000,000 AM per year through trade.
Obtain at least 10,000 EM per year through trade.
Don't go too far into debt.
Reduce Vanaheim Debt
Don't totally botch Metal issues.

Current scheme (PRELIMINARY):

Asgard
(3,988 Debt to Avernus)
Sell
(4,200 Cr) - 100 Knight Titans per Year
(2,500 Cr) - 500,000,000 Thrones per Year
(1,600 Cr) - 100,000,000 Promethium per Year.
(12288 Cr to spend)
Buy
(14020 Cr) - 200,000 AM

(1,732 Cr in Debt to Asgard)

Alfheim
(26.9 Debt to Alfheim)
Sell
(10 Cr) - Training
(2,500 Cr) - 500,000,000 Thrones per Year
Buy
(7,040 Cr) - 1,000 EM per year

(4556.9 Cr in debt to Alfheim)

Vanaheim
(3,600,058.6 Owed to Avernus)
Sell
(1890 Cr) - 300,000,000 Thrones
(??? Cr) - ??? Metal

Buy
??????

Jotunheim
(1680 Cr owed to Avernus)
Sell
(10 Cr) - Training
(1,000 Cr) - 200,000,000 Thrones per Year
(8050 Cr) - 100,000,000 Material per Year
Buy
(13700 Cr) - 200,000,000 Metal

Midgard
(60,351.8 owed to Avernus)
Sell
(1610 Cr) - 2,000 Food/Year
Buy
(??? Cr) - ??? Material

Svartalfheim
Sell
(15 Cr) - Training
(520 Cr) - 100,000,000 Thrones per Year
(67,900 Cr) - 1,000,000,000 Metal per Year
(1,600 Cr) - 100,000,000 Promethium per Year
Buy
(71,000 Cr) - 1,000,000,000 AM per Year

Muspelheim
Sell
(5 Cr) - Training
(1020 Cr) - 200,000,000 Thrones per year
(8060 Cr) - 100,000,000 Material per Year
(8000 Cr) - 500,000,000 Promethium per Year

Buy
(28720 Cr) - 4,000 EM per Year

(11635 Cr owed to Muspelhim)

Niflheim
(994.3 Cr Owed to Niflheim)
Sell
(16100 Cr) - 200,000,000 Material per Year
(1020 Cr) - 200,000,000 Thrones per Year
(13440 Cr) - 200,000,000 Metal per Year
Buy
(35500 Cr) - 5,000 EM per Year

(5935.7 Cr owed to Niflheim)

Total:
+1,200,000,000 AM
+10,000 EM
-1,900,000,000 Thrones
-400,000,000 Material
-700,000,000 Promethium
-1,000,000,000 Metal.
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Preliminary plan here. Suggestions are accepted, as is blatantly stealing it.
CharlBaal said:
14,000- 200,000,000 Advanced Material per year
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Don't sell AM.
 
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Enjou said:
I'm not really sure we should be selling so much metal to Vanaheim - we only sold 500,000,000 last time, and trading ourself back into a net shortage doesn't seem to be a good idea. I know we're planning on increasing our capacity by expanding our mines, but we're going to have spending that we'll have to do between now and then that might be metal heavy.

I want to make my own plan, but I'm a bit busy at the moment so it won't be until later today.
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The effect of the metal discount on Vanaheim politics is certain to vary based on volume of trade.
 
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Obviously we have to sell Metal to Vanaheim - perhaps we should have given a discount on Thrones as well.

I'm thinking we should buy all the ships we can from Vanaheim, upkeep pending.
 
Superticus said:
The effect of the metal discount on Vanaheim politics is certain to be dependent on volume of trade.
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That doesn't mean we should sell ourselves into a shortage. We can double the amount we'd have sold last year and still have a net positive. Or we could even sell 1.25 billion with the proposed deal there and still have a net positive.
 
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