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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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- Alice Springs, Australia
no, they don't have to make their background known
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Look back at the constitution when we made it I noticed this. @durin, If I'm right does this mean we can rebuild the ships we lost against the DE without having to build a equal amount for the Navy as they were our personal ships lost in a joint combat operation?
ArchAIngel
Sorcerer Supreme.
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- Right behind you.
More like they just don't care. Why bother working it out when you can just shrug and point to Warp Bullshit and different laws of physics?
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- Alice Springs, Australia
Helheim pattern Rhino Armored Personnel Carrier
I know that arguing anything resembling common sense or logical engineering is pointless in canon 40K, but even then I still get disappointed by the idiots in charge. Here's my Rhino write-up, based on the Deimos pattern.
Helheim pattern Rhino Armored Personnel Carrier
The Helheim pattern Rhino sets the tone of what to expect of its extended family. Just as capable, but smaller and faster. Ironically enough, Helheim was the one planet of the Nine Worlds that this pattern did not see use on, with even Muspelheim using them as inter-city transports. It was most commonly used by lower tier garrison forces, rarely carrying anyone with equipment better than basic Trooper armor. Some examples can be found in the most ancient vaults of Svartalfheim, and it is still in active use in the Nomad Cities of Muspelheim.
Helheim Rhino
Planet of Origin: Avernus (Helheim)
Known Patterns: I-IV
Crew: Driver
Powerplant: Quad MkIV Adaptable Thermic Combustor Reactor
Weight: 20 tons
Length: 6m
Width: 3.5m
Height: 2.7m
Ground Clearance: .44m
Max Speed -Road: 80 kph
Max Speed -Off Road: 60 kph
Main Armament: Dual Impaler Rifle turrets
Main Ammunition: 1500 rounds each
Traverse: 360
Elevation: -65 to 65
Armor
Superstructure: 40mm
Hull: 40mm
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Thanks! Can we get that as a build option next turn?
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- Alice Springs, Australia
I partially object to it. I think we should build up to restore the original force parity. We don't have to make up the slack from the other planets though.
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I look at it as Vanaheim having the major yards so they build the Navy's ships to replace combat losses while we first fix up our shattered fleet then we can help out the navy.
I object for different reasons.
Next turn we can combine the shipyards which will be a constructing action.
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- Tulsa Oklahoma
I'm not sure about that, I would wager that Avernus could give quite a few Daemon Worlds a run for their money when it comes to danger.
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LOL. Still going though the old updates when I saw this bit. Random Necron assassination attempt that looked to be a prelude to Necron invasion part 2 but we got Chaos at Midgard instead. We never did find out how they got here. Maybe part of the original invasion that stayed behind to take a shot at us for defeating them? It was a 16 year gap and we've heard nothing since.
Ok, I'm going to tackle the rest of the Rhino variants next.
The Whirlwind is a straightforward and cheap missile support platform.
The Vindicator was originally an unmanned expendable assets, but the rebellion forced the inclusion of a single operator.
The Vindicator Destroyer was a desperate field conversion against MoI armored units.
The Razorback was an IFV configuration for garrisons that had more chassis than they could normally use.
The Lascannon Hydra we found was based on a Rhino chassis, and is a variant of the Stalker
The Hunter was a slightly higher end version of the Whirlwind Hyperios.
The Whirlwind is a straightforward and cheap missile support platform.
The Vindicator was originally an unmanned expendable assets, but the rebellion forced the inclusion of a single operator.
The Vindicator Destroyer was a desperate field conversion against MoI armored units.
The Razorback was an IFV configuration for garrisons that had more chassis than they could normally use.
The Lascannon Hydra we found was based on a Rhino chassis, and is a variant of the Stalker
The Hunter was a slightly higher end version of the Whirlwind Hyperios.
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- Attempting to cast animate object on a black hole.
It's more likely that the necron assassins suffered from time shenanigans, were eaten by the wildlife and had to regrow from necrodermis chunks, or both.
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It was just odd that it was in the Azure Isles, which are surrounded by water and some of the most deadly shit in existence, when the invasion was in Lindon so how did they get there?
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- Germany
They got eaten by a flying animal, regenerated in the stomach and shot their way out while they were over an island. Or not.
HanEmpire
Delicious
They could have been infiltrators sent in to prepare for Necron attacks on those cities. I don't know, that Necron Lord was an idiot when it came to prosecuting a war so it could be anything.
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I'm would find it funny if once we tame a Kraken we find a Raider or something on the ocean floor that they landed in.
Helheim pattern Rhino variants
Helheim pattern Rhino variants
The Rhino was so common that engineers looked for other ways to make use of the hulls. By the time of the Men of Iron rebelion, there was a small catalog of codified variants that could be created via field conversion. The Helheim Predator was too much of a step away to be considered a proper part of it.
Damocles
Simply a Rhino with command facilities. Typically issued one to a company, quite frequently less as the rebellion dragged on. Muspelheim uses them for Foreman coordination duties during hull repair operations too the Nomad cities.
Razorback
The Razorback was a cheap IFV configuration for garrisons that had a surplus of Rhino chassis. It was marginally more popular among the troops that used it, but it was always considered inferior to a proper, dedicated design.
Weight: 21.4 tons
Height: 4m
Main Armament: Dual Gatling Impalers or other similar Heavy Weapons
Main Ammunition: 6000 rounds
Traverse: 360
Elevation: 0 to 55
Armor
Turret: 30mm
Whirlwind
The Whirlwind configuration was a straightforward missile support vehicle. It primary munitions were meant for use against Ork bands. Alternative munitions included an anti-armored infantry missile similar to the Scorpius, and an anti-aircraft missile roughly analog to the Hyperios. It was by far the most popular of the variants, with all troops appreciating the virtues of accurate artillery support.
Crew: Driver, Gunner
Weight: 23 tons
Main Armament: Whirlwind Launcher
Main Ammunition: 60 Missiles
Secondary: Dual Impaler Rifle turrets
Secondary: 1500 rounds each
Skyspear
A specialist sub-pattern of the Whirlwind, the Skyspear was meant solely for use against aircraft. Usually stayed within the grounds of the garrison unless a major operation was taking place.
Main Armament: Skyspear Launcher
Main Ammunition: 20 Missiles
Hydra
The Stalker was not part of the local STC catalog, with the role being fill by what can only be considered a predecessor to the Hydra-Chimera. Generally, it was only used when Hyperios and Skyspear munitions were in short supply, or the enemy had an overwhelming advantage in numbers.
Main Armament: Quad Accelerator Autocannons or Dual Lascannons
Main Ammunition: 1200 rounds or 60 shot battery
Vindicator
The Helheim Vindicator was originally an unmanned vehicle, with it's roll being considered to be too dangerous for humans. The Men of Iron rebellion forced the inclusion of a single operator. The Demolisher Cannon variant was based on Impaler/Accelerator technology, greatly reducing the amount of propellant required for use. As a result, the shells were substantially lighter, enabling variation of the warhead. The primary shell was of the conventional variety, but the second traded some of the blast strength for cover penetration capability.
Crew: Driver
Weight: 28 tons
Length: 7.5m
Max Speed -Road: 74 kph
Max Speed -Off Road: 58 kph
Main Armament: Accelerator Demolisher Cannon
Main Ammunition: 20 rounds
Traverse: 3
Elevation: 0 to 45
Armor
Gun Mantlet: 40mm
Vindicator Destroyer
(Desperate field conversion, meant to slow down MoI armored columns. Technical failings considered irrelevant considering shot expected time to destruction. Would have been ironed out if there had been time)
Main Armament: Neutron Destroyer
Main Ammunition: 30 blasts
The Rhino was so common that engineers looked for other ways to make use of the hulls. By the time of the Men of Iron rebelion, there was a small catalog of codified variants that could be created via field conversion. The Helheim Predator was too much of a step away to be considered a proper part of it.
Damocles
Simply a Rhino with command facilities. Typically issued one to a company, quite frequently less as the rebellion dragged on. Muspelheim uses them for Foreman coordination duties during hull repair operations too the Nomad cities.
Razorback
The Razorback was a cheap IFV configuration for garrisons that had a surplus of Rhino chassis. It was marginally more popular among the troops that used it, but it was always considered inferior to a proper, dedicated design.
Weight: 21.4 tons
Height: 4m
Main Armament: Dual Gatling Impalers or other similar Heavy Weapons
Main Ammunition: 6000 rounds
Traverse: 360
Elevation: 0 to 55
Armor
Turret: 30mm
Whirlwind
The Whirlwind configuration was a straightforward missile support vehicle. It primary munitions were meant for use against Ork bands. Alternative munitions included an anti-armored infantry missile similar to the Scorpius, and an anti-aircraft missile roughly analog to the Hyperios. It was by far the most popular of the variants, with all troops appreciating the virtues of accurate artillery support.
Crew: Driver, Gunner
Weight: 23 tons
Main Armament: Whirlwind Launcher
Main Ammunition: 60 Missiles
Secondary: Dual Impaler Rifle turrets
Secondary: 1500 rounds each
Skyspear
A specialist sub-pattern of the Whirlwind, the Skyspear was meant solely for use against aircraft. Usually stayed within the grounds of the garrison unless a major operation was taking place.
Main Armament: Skyspear Launcher
Main Ammunition: 20 Missiles
Hydra
The Stalker was not part of the local STC catalog, with the role being fill by what can only be considered a predecessor to the Hydra-Chimera. Generally, it was only used when Hyperios and Skyspear munitions were in short supply, or the enemy had an overwhelming advantage in numbers.
Main Armament: Quad Accelerator Autocannons or Dual Lascannons
Main Ammunition: 1200 rounds or 60 shot battery
Vindicator
The Helheim Vindicator was originally an unmanned vehicle, with it's roll being considered to be too dangerous for humans. The Men of Iron rebellion forced the inclusion of a single operator. The Demolisher Cannon variant was based on Impaler/Accelerator technology, greatly reducing the amount of propellant required for use. As a result, the shells were substantially lighter, enabling variation of the warhead. The primary shell was of the conventional variety, but the second traded some of the blast strength for cover penetration capability.
Crew: Driver
Weight: 28 tons
Length: 7.5m
Max Speed -Road: 74 kph
Max Speed -Off Road: 58 kph
Main Armament: Accelerator Demolisher Cannon
Main Ammunition: 20 rounds
Traverse: 3
Elevation: 0 to 45
Armor
Gun Mantlet: 40mm
Vindicator Destroyer
(Desperate field conversion, meant to slow down MoI armored columns. Technical failings considered irrelevant considering shot expected time to destruction. Would have been ironed out if there had been time)
Main Armament: Neutron Destroyer
Main Ammunition: 30 blasts
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Cool...that was a pretty good passage of new proposals.
-1 Relationship with Vanaheim, puts us at 9/10, but that's okay. We and Vanaheim are going to become best buddies soon, so we can mend fences.
So who too meet with...
Well, I think that clearly the most important thing to talk about is the Colonization question. That's the big next step. So let's review the situation:
So that is what the rest of the Imperial Trust is thinking.
Here is my first rough draft on concrete proposals to deal with Colonization:
So I think the first thing to ask is how does the rest of the player base feel? Are there any strong feelings about this?
That will probably drive how we approach the issue.
The most obvious approach would be to talk to Vanaheim over the break. They are the ones who first raised the issue. They are the ones most invested in the question. We also want to help their first colony on Fjol IV to be successful.
So the straight forward approach would be to talk to Vanaheim during the break. Present all our information on what the rest of the Imperial Trust is thinking. Present our initial draft of proposals that tries to synthesize those feelings into concrete action and see if they want any changes, and if we can achieve a united front on the issue.
Note that Vanaheim appears to not want Independence of colonies, but that the difference between resource colonies and full colonies might provide us a persuasive argument for full colony eventual independence.
We could also discuss other issues with Vanaheim as a sidebar to the main conversation:
Give them some details of the fleet graveyard, and get their thoughts.
Discuss the need for your pilots to get more training, and suggest that Vanaheim is the expert in this area
Discuss the need for an adviser to help with the Administration aspects of the Avernite Shipyards.
Discuss what aid Avernus can give to make the Vanaheim colony on Fjol IV thrive.
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The alternative strategy would be to approach one of the other systems, and try to get them on board. Looking at the list, Alfheim and Svartalfheim seem like the most likely ones to be useful to hammer out if our proposals meet their concerns.
We do have several sidebars to discuss with Alfheim, but I think we can wait for diplomatic actions later. Nothing urgent.
So I'm more for the straightforward, talk to Vanaheim approach. What do other people think?
-1 Relationship with Vanaheim, puts us at 9/10, but that's okay. We and Vanaheim are going to become best buddies soon, so we can mend fences.
So who too meet with...
Well, I think that clearly the most important thing to talk about is the Colonization question. That's the big next step. So let's review the situation:
So that is what the rest of the Imperial Trust is thinking.
Here is my first rough draft on concrete proposals to deal with Colonization:
So I think the first thing to ask is how does the rest of the player base feel? Are there any strong feelings about this?
That will probably drive how we approach the issue.
The most obvious approach would be to talk to Vanaheim over the break. They are the ones who first raised the issue. They are the ones most invested in the question. We also want to help their first colony on Fjol IV to be successful.
So the straight forward approach would be to talk to Vanaheim during the break. Present all our information on what the rest of the Imperial Trust is thinking. Present our initial draft of proposals that tries to synthesize those feelings into concrete action and see if they want any changes, and if we can achieve a united front on the issue.
Note that Vanaheim appears to not want Independence of colonies, but that the difference between resource colonies and full colonies might provide us a persuasive argument for full colony eventual independence.
We could also discuss other issues with Vanaheim as a sidebar to the main conversation:
Give them some details of the fleet graveyard, and get their thoughts.
Discuss the need for your pilots to get more training, and suggest that Vanaheim is the expert in this area
Discuss the need for an adviser to help with the Administration aspects of the Avernite Shipyards.
Discuss what aid Avernus can give to make the Vanaheim colony on Fjol IV thrive.
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The alternative strategy would be to approach one of the other systems, and try to get them on board. Looking at the list, Alfheim and Svartalfheim seem like the most likely ones to be useful to hammer out if our proposals meet their concerns.
We do have several sidebars to discuss with Alfheim, but I think we can wait for diplomatic actions later. Nothing urgent.
So I'm more for the straightforward, talk to Vanaheim approach. What do other people think?