The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest
Somic
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I was going to say "we have the excuse of being Literally Sixteen" but our whole being heir thing happened in the first place because we could not possibly be as bad as Daemon... at fourteen
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I don't care that much about the Celebration or the Peake issue TBH, and I am voting the [] Plan A Few Other Details because I prefer how it deals with Qooren visiting here, because as Somnic said "While Rhaenyra is heir, she has significant freedom of movement and a need to build up her support base with that freedom, so she can afford to fly back and forth, while Qoren is already the ruler of Dorne and will need to devote much of his effort to smoothing out the ruffled feathers and ensuring a peaceful integration."
Having said that, I don't see any problem with asking for a big celebration for this deal... We have managed to peacefully bring Dorne into the fold 100 years in advance than in canon and this is not only for Rhaenyra but also for everyone else involved...
Somic
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Actually, you know what? I'm gonna approval vote for this alone, just in case. No reason not to.
[X] Plan Just This One Detail
-[X] Speak to Qoren About the Deal (This will involve Hidden Dice Rolls)
--[X] Try to make sure no land is awarded to House Peake, as Unwin Peake has personally insulted and antagonized you quite recently.
[X] Plan A Few Details
Edit: I can't help myself
[X] Plan Speak Softly And Carry A Big Grudge
-[X] Speak to Qoren About the Deal (This will involve Hidden Dice Rolls)
--[X] Try to establish an informal friendly understanding with Qoren that, additional to the visits mentioned in the contract, he will at least try to visit you in King's Landing now and then even before you claim the Iron Throne, and that you will try to visit him in Sunspear now and then afterwards, even if it is not officially spelled out in the contract and even if it's not every year in either case.
--[X] Try to make sure no land is awarded to House Peake, as Unwin Peake has personally insulted and antagonized you quite recently.
[X] Plan Just This One Detail
-[X] Speak to Qoren About the Deal (This will involve Hidden Dice Rolls)
--[X] Try to make sure no land is awarded to House Peake, as Unwin Peake has personally insulted and antagonized you quite recently.
[X] Plan A Few Details
Edit: I can't help myself
[X] Plan Speak Softly And Carry A Big Grudge
-[X] Speak to Qoren About the Deal (This will involve Hidden Dice Rolls)
--[X] Try to establish an informal friendly understanding with Qoren that, additional to the visits mentioned in the contract, he will at least try to visit you in King's Landing now and then even before you claim the Iron Throne, and that you will try to visit him in Sunspear now and then afterwards, even if it is not officially spelled out in the contract and even if it's not every year in either case.
--[X] Try to make sure no land is awarded to House Peake, as Unwin Peake has personally insulted and antagonized you quite recently.
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This is very good to hear because whatever he does he somehow loses. If he bends the knee and rebels later, he will be know as an Oathbreaker. If he does not bend the knee he will be know as an usurping uncle. Both of these things are bad, and while his reputation is already bad, it can be worse. With this we can effectively make sure that his reputation is in the dumps and that whoever associates with him will have some of that stigma attached to them.
edit: Not that this will stop him because he does not care about people opinion about him but it might deter Lords in Westeros banding up to him.
I think it is very fair we get our own feast. We are the heir of the realm and are getting betrothed. But not only that, our Betrothal is finally bringing Dorne into the fold. Aegon conquest of Westeros finally completed !
It is well worth reason for having a feast for it.
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Oh god. Land swaps? That sounds like a recipe for disaster and destabilization. Who decides what is "righftfully" owned by whom? That leaves so much room for arguments, and for arguments to turn heated.
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OK, fair enough...
Honestly, I like how simon deals with the visitation thingly much more than Azel...
[X] Plan Speak Softly And Carry A Big Grudge
[X] Plan A Few Other Details
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Somic
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You have been ninjad xD
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I hadn't seen your edit...
UrbanAvena
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Otto saw some chance to sow a little instability for Crown and a little enrichment for his Reach friend and took it I guess.
I'll vote for those. The celebration is too risky against Daemon's ego.
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Yeah. That's called "our wedding".
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- Earth
[X] Somic
I am not keeping up with this thread at all right now, but I think we're on the same page so lets just do this.
I am not keeping up with this thread at all right now, but I think we're on the same page so lets just do this.
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First of all, I agree that letting Daemon have his ego trip without anything that may upstage him and damage his massive but fragile ego is wise...
But honestly, considering that IRL "regular" bethrothals in royal and noble households were already lavishly celebrated in medieval Europe... To have a huge and extravagant celebration for a bethrothal that will unify the 7 Kingdoms and that marks Viserys and Nyra's biggest political win is totally reasonable...
I mean, adding reverse visits so that Qooren regularly visits us (and his kids) in King's Landing, was always the point that was discussed here, even if it is via an informal agreement...
And honestly, it seems significantly more difficult to alter the contract that way...
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Having 3 major celebrations in the same winter isn't reasonable though. That's going to be hellishly expensive and deplete stocks.
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Yeah... Honestly this is one of the reasons why in the previous vote we should have pushed so that the wedding would have waited 24 months instead of 18... The chances of the wedding taking place in spring if we pick the higher end of the average winter duration instead of the lower end increases significantly...
Somic
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And make people travel in pretty unpleasant weather, or stay for a very long while.
That is a good point. I don´t want our vassals to see us as frivolous and having 3 major celebrations on the same winter is being frivolous.
So i´m going to amend my vote to:
[X] Somic
Yeah this is not ideal but we can always introduce our husband later.
We can always do a spring tournament to introduce him to the Realm* or do it piecemeal by Realm during the coming years.
We do have the time for it and introducing our husband can always be a chance/opportunities for turning lords for our side.
*We have to understand that Viserys has soured on Tournaments since his first wife and our mother died during one. So maybe other form of celebration.
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- Mid-Atlantic
Would the geography make sense? I don't know if the Peake and Tarly lands are adjacent or not.
Just to answer the question-
For two reasons. First, I genuinely wanted to know what you were trying to say, and the grammatical structure of the sentence was such that I wasn't sure. Second, because that was the draft of something that would presumably go in a plan later- someone's, if not mine. It's not a good thing if it's hard for voters, or for the QM, to figure out what a plan vote is trying to say. And it would be hard for most people, I think, to be sure what that sentence was trying to say, the way that it was.
I wouldn't feel good knowing that someone's ideas didn't get represented because they weren't understood. We all have moments where autocorrect programs or just being sleep deprived or distracted causes us to write something unclear. It doesn't make us less-than. I hope other people will point it out to me when- not if, WHEN- I do the same thing.
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- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
Oh man, and it seems the plans that do deal with the land swap lunacy are just adding our own personal pettiness to it...
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- Mid-Atlantic
In fairness, to me this is basically just Rhaenyra being willing to distinguish between matters where she has to get her own way no matter what because you can't just let someone steal a whole-ass island from you without a fight, and matters where she wants something but not badly enough to threaten to spoil the whole deal.
If she didn't threaten to spoil the whole deal over not getting to name a daughter Visenya, she's not going to threaten it over this.
(Who knows, maybe if the next ten years of marriage go well, Qoren will relent on that point, maybe)
Yeah, well, Rhaenyra's different and hopes some day to rehabilitate her image.
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I dunno what you're talking about, land swaps are great, they give the Master of Laws (us, eventually) something to keep busy, and raise their profile, with.
Somic
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My honest opinion on the Visenya thing is that, even if we eventually dig up conclusive evidence that she was Cool, Actually, and shout it from the rooftops loudly enough for most people of note in Westeros to hear, we still shouldn't name a daughter that. The point in the treaty wasn't about the sorcery, or the alleged kinslaying, or anything that could be proven wrong; it was about her committing indiscriminate, salt-the-earth, kingdom-wide slaughter against the Dornish. This has undeniably happened. It's just bad manners to marry a Martell and name a child after someone who did that to Dorne.
And, like, the joke was funny the first few times, but to me it has never been anything more than a joke. I am genuinely baffled by seeing any hint of sincere desire to actually name a daughter Visenya. It's like naming a child after [insert real life slaughterer on an immense, country-impacting scale] when marrying a descendant of their victims, just deeply weird.