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Yeah so who are the candidates for marriage again? There is Laenor and Gwayne, is there any other?
The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest
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There is a wide variety of candidates, Gwayne and Laenor are just the most serious of them (politically speaking).
There are a lot. Almost umentionable amount. Any adult man of high enough noble house is our marriage pool.
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Harwin, Forrest Frey are the somewhat serious proposals, with Harwin being my choice, with the meme options being the Prince of Dorne and the Tully Gambit
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Dorne Would be very interesting and will change a whole lot and be a political bloodbath.
Rhaenyra would get to flex her law studies and her dragon!
Rhaenyra would get to flex her law studies and her dragon!
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It will be a challenge for sure but I think many exagerate the current Dance era Seven Kingdom hostility to Dorne. We are about three generation removed from the last major war with Dorne. There are not any big batle or military conflict fresh in living memory, only smattering of skirmishs and the one sided burning of the folly.Dorne Would be very interesting and will change a whole lot and be a political bloodbath.
In contrast with Blackfyre-era where it is only one generation removed from a big involved war so there are a lot of hard feelings. Marchers may be a problem but they can appreciate a secure border too.
So yes I am all in for Qoren. He may even be the best candidate in regard to our continuing romance with Alicent.
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People like to hold grudges and dorne was burnt down. So there is definitely hate for the Targaryens, for all the death, destruction, suffering and no doubt propaganda. The surviving nobility and peasants would past down stories and grudges to the younger generations.
But again it would be an interesting choice and challenge if dorne was picked.
But again it would be an interesting choice and challenge if dorne was picked.
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I agree that it will be a factor in internal Dorne opposition. In our side of the border though it will be a smaller challenge than canon Daeron "the Good" effort. There aren't that much Seven kingdom discontent in regard to Dorne right now.
As you say, it will be an interesting choice and a challenge.
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No? Laenor rides Seasmoke. At least in the books - I freely confess I have no idea what changes the show made so all commentary I give is book based.
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Laenor is personally the match I'm least interested in for a few reasons.
1. It is the canon marriage, and I think deviating from that is more fun.
2. Laenor, especially with show confirmation and QM word, is really not going to give us children without high stress gain and likely luck, and we are going to need heirs preferably multiple.
3. Marrying Laenor comes with more complicated dynastic inheritance to deal with. As the Velaryon's will want a child too.
4. While Leanor would be fully accepting of the whole beard situation, the general concept I feel is weakened when we also are going to need to find a sperm donor. I feel Alicent will understand but the layers of "cheating" will be further complicated with a beard husband, a sperm donor, and herself as the paramour. It certainly is a much more complicated relationship.
5. Corlys kinda just sucks, we gave him a great opportunity and he refused, and he ignored our next olive branch. (Rhaenys, Laenor, and Laena are actually pretty acceptable)
6. Alicent is not something we're going to give up on, so siding with the Velaryons is quite anti-Otto's interests, less so than Daemon whom we're also not going to drop the animosity towards, while Gwayne is the all-in on Otto selection, looking elsewhere at least doesn't alienate that potential ally and we still have Alicent which gives us a tie to Otto and his games with a sometimes accepting ear of his daughter's.
7. We are going to have a much lesser tie to the Velaryon's than show cannon did if we went with this option.
Point 1 is certainly my biggest reason really, because it feels like the boring safe answer, and picking exciting not as perhaps politically savvy options can produce interesting deviations and scenarios that are different from cannon.
1. It is the canon marriage, and I think deviating from that is more fun.
2. Laenor, especially with show confirmation and QM word, is really not going to give us children without high stress gain and likely luck, and we are going to need heirs preferably multiple.
3. Marrying Laenor comes with more complicated dynastic inheritance to deal with. As the Velaryon's will want a child too.
4. While Leanor would be fully accepting of the whole beard situation, the general concept I feel is weakened when we also are going to need to find a sperm donor. I feel Alicent will understand but the layers of "cheating" will be further complicated with a beard husband, a sperm donor, and herself as the paramour. It certainly is a much more complicated relationship.
5. Corlys kinda just sucks, we gave him a great opportunity and he refused, and he ignored our next olive branch. (Rhaenys, Laenor, and Laena are actually pretty acceptable)
6. Alicent is not something we're going to give up on, so siding with the Velaryons is quite anti-Otto's interests, less so than Daemon whom we're also not going to drop the animosity towards, while Gwayne is the all-in on Otto selection, looking elsewhere at least doesn't alienate that potential ally and we still have Alicent which gives us a tie to Otto and his games with a sometimes accepting ear of his daughter's.
7. We are going to have a much lesser tie to the Velaryon's than show cannon did if we went with this option.
Point 1 is certainly my biggest reason really, because it feels like the boring safe answer, and picking exciting not as perhaps politically savvy options can produce interesting deviations and scenarios that are different from cannon.
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There are already massive deviations to the point it'll be unrecognizable from canon, marrying Laenor will not bring it anywhere close.
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There's too many to count but the most seriously talked about I've seen are. Laenor, Gwayne Hightower, Harwin Strong, and Qoren Martell. Forrest Frey and Elmo Tully have also been mentioned to a lesser (or more comedic) extent.
Show Laenor actually is quite the adventuer who fought in the stepstones. He regularly goes on adventures with his boyfriends and seems a skilled swordsman. Very much not the cliche softer gay man that he was in the books.
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OK, well, that's understandable. On the other hand, the more I think about the prospect of going with anyone but Laenor, the more I worry about the prospect of the Velaryons throwing their weight behind potential challengers to Rhaenys' rule, and the less I like it.
Rhaenys and her two children (both Laenor and Laena) are all dragonriders, and they're very likely to get tied up in the dynastic politics that leads up to the Dance. And that's probably true whether it's Daemon pressing his claim (very possibly marrying Laena to reinforce it) or one of Johanna's kids with Viserys (with who-knows-who-all lining up to back them as an easily influenced alternative to Rhaenyra).
A bloc of three dragonriders who collectively have good reason to want Rhaenyra out of the picture is bad news. That's doubly true when right now the only other dragonrider apart from Rhaenyra herself is Daemon. I can't really think of a way to counter that, except to marry someone fast and start pumping out kids in hopes that before a civil war starts, the kids grow up to be dragonriders dangerous enough to stand up to Daemon, Rhaenys, Laena, Laenor, and potentially Johanna's kids who may also turn out to be dragonriders.
And that... is a rather questionable plan.
I want Rhaenyra to be queen and I want her to live. Most other problems, such as complicated intrigue-riddled marital shenanigans because of the complications of a lavender marriage, I imagine we can figure out some kind of a solution to, if not necessarily a perfect one or one where things never go wrong. But I can't figure out how to keep Rhaenyra on the throne as sole dragonrider in the face of three, four, or more dragonriders who want her off it and who are, canonically, willing to resort to violence to change what face gets stamped on the currency in Westeros.
If Laenor were a loathsome choice in and of himself, I'd be more willing to shrug this issue off. If it were Unwin whose family had a majority of all active dragons in Westeros, well, I'd rather just find some way to have him and his family assassinated or something. But Laeron isn't, in and of himself, that bad, is he?
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Real talk, I haven't even watched the show except for snippets; it's why I keep getting wrongfooted by book canon.
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Apparently a Shadowcat is significantly smaller than a tiger, something between a cougar and a tiger...
That is still the size of a frigging male lion though, so Shadowcats are still absolute units and your point about Viserys freaking out...
A whale cloak sounds heavier than a mammoths'!
Hey, the interesting thing about whales is not their pelts but their intestines...
If we find a few pounds of ambergris we can gift Alicent and Johanna a couple gallons of perfume
...Well, according to the "Elemental Rock-Paper-Scissors" trope, regular fire dragons like Syrax should have an advantage over ice dragons...
Very interesting, hunting, especially in Medieval times, was a great way of socializing with the aristocracy, with the bonus of showing off Nyra's progress and getting some cool trophies to show off or use as gifts...
Interesting and really cool, @Teen Spirit now that you mention the bow... Can Rhaenyra buy/commission a Dragonbone, Weirdwood, or Goldenheart bow?
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I'm still team Gwayne if he and Alicent are fine with it, which is why I want to raise the topic with them at some point. At least to know that if they aren't fine with it, we'll need to write this option off and look for a more suitable one based on feedback.
On the other hand, our relationship with Alicent still feels pretty young (if very romantic), so maybe it's best to wait some more until she feels secure in it, idk. Really depends on Alicent's feelings.
On the other hand, our relationship with Alicent still feels pretty young (if very romantic), so maybe it's best to wait some more until she feels secure in it, idk. Really depends on Alicent's feelings.
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My understanding is that in Westeros the reverse tends to be true.
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And, hell, Corlys was canonically already past forty when Rhaenyra was even born. By the time of the Dance of the Dragons in canon he was about seventy-five, I think. If we don't like Corlys, well, he's gonna be around a while longer, but just outliving the guy and getting to enjoy most of Rhaenyra's adult life in a world where he doesn't exist is absolutely on the menu...
As long as our Rhaenyra doesn't die in a losing civil war at the age of 33 like her canonical 'sister.'
As long as our Rhaenyra doesn't die in a losing civil war at the age of 33 like her canonical 'sister.'