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That Time I Became A Dictator Of A Small Asian Communist Nation

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[] "Dragonscale" Combat Shield
Coming in at 4.2 meters tall and 0.75 meters thick, the combat shield is made of a similar alloy as the Dragon's Tooth combat knife. Focusing on hardness, the shield is cumbersome to wield and greatly decreases mobility. It is best used with a long-range artillery or anti-armor weapon, greatly increasing survivability in prolonged long-range engagements with hostile armor.
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A hydraulic stake or something to that so the user can impale it into the ground so it can be reliably stationary so the unit can have both hands free for weapons? Or do want me to try and design that?

The "Brown Pants" GAU-90
A heavily modified M2 Browning 50 caliber machine gun. This autocannon fires 30 mm rounds at 250 rounds per a minute! Works great at anti-vehicle\armor. Also comes with a strap to hang from the Mecha's shoulders to free the arms and to provide some degree of stability. Unfortunately the high rate of fire and sheer power means this requires both arms to keep target groupings small. A mod for where the scope would normally go would allow a camera with severely short range signal would allow a crew to aim properly even with hip firing. Laser sights can work too if you don't care about the element of surprise. It can additionally fire explosive, incendiary, and armor piercing as well. The underside has what we hope to be a "standard" mounted fitting to allow the attachment of a large knife, or single use shotgun, flamer, missile, or mortar launcher. The weapon is made to be belt fed from a pack located from another point on the chassis. But we have designed a double sided clip as a hold out should the pack run empty. We hope this weapon yo become the standard rifle of the new Mecha's!
 
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Doccer said:
A hydraulic stake or something to that so the user can impale it into the ground so it can be reliably stationary so the unit can have both hands free for weapons? Or do want me to try and design that?

The "Brown Pants" GAU-90
A heavily modified M2 Browning 50 caliber machine gun. This autocannon fires 30 mm rounds at 250 rounds per a minute! Works great at anti-tank\armor. Also comes with a strap to hang from the Mecha's shoulders to free the arms and to provide some degree of stability. Unfortunately the high rate of fire and sheer power means this requires both arms to keep target groupings small. A mod for where the scope would normally go would allow a camera with severely short range signal would allow a crew to aim properly even with hip firing. Laser sights can work too if you don't care about the element of surprise. It can additionally fire explosive, incendiary, and armor piercing as well. The underside has what we hope to be a "standard" mounted fitting to allow the attachment of a large knife, or single use shotgun, flamer, missile, or mortar launcher. The weapon is made to be belt fed from a pack located from another point on the chassis. But we have designed a double sided clip as a hold out should the pack run empty. We hope this weapon yo become the standard rifle of the new Mecha's!
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mmm in-universe the shield would already be very heavy. maybe just ordinary non mechanical stakes. the mech should theoretically have enough strength and stability to keep the shield planted if it used the correct posture in any case.

can we add hydraulic stakes @HeroCooky?
 
Doccer said:
The "Brown Pants" GAU-90
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While I think a "BRRRT" cannon is doable, I have doubts about it's effectiveness as an anti-tank/armor weapon on the Iron Tiger. I don't want to start any major derails into whether the A-10 is a good tank killer, especially as it hasn't been invented yet ITTL, but whether or not it's effective the big thing the 30mm GAU-8 has going for it as a plane mounted weapon is that it can be shot downward at the usually thinner top armor of tanks.

With only 5m of height max on the Iron Tiger though we're going to have to deal with the front and angled side armor of our targets instead, which is being designed to try to defend against AP cannons of over 100mm. We're likely to break the optics and scour the paint off the front of whatever we shoot at, and maybe break the tracks and damage the barrel if we land lucky shots, but not much more.
 
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7th Hex said:
While I think a "BRRRT" cannon is doable, I have doubts about it's effectiveness as an anti-tank/armor weapon on the Iron Tiger. I don't want to start any major derails into whether the A-10 is a good tank killer, especially as it hasn't been invented yet ITTL, but whether or not it's effective the big thing the 30mm GAU-8 has going for it as a plane mounted weapon is that it can be shot downward at the usually thinner top armor of tanks.

With only 5m of height max on the Iron Tiger though we're going to have to deal with the front and angled side armor of our targets instead, which is being designed to try to defend against AP cannons of over 100mm. We're likely to break the optics and scour the paint off the front of whatever we shoot at, and maybe break the tracks and damage the barrel if we land lucky shots, but not much more.
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If we do go for a 30mm weapon, it'll be a close range weapon (like double digit or three digit meters close) to be even remotely effective. well within tank cannon range, which would leave us outgunned on open terrain. we'd either have to stick to urban or jungle/forest terrain or pair the 30mm with rockets, missiles or a heavier-caliber cannon. It'll be a good choice for anti-infantry, anti-air and lighter anti-armor roles, however, so maybe pair it with a mecha loaded for anti-armor?

for anyone thinking of what to use for a weapon, the germans adapted their ww2 pak 40 75mm anti tank cannon for use on the HS 129 B-3. It made for a poorly maneuverable aircraft, but a 75mm autocannon would probably be a more optimal compromise on a mech. Good balance of firepower and fire rate.
 
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abominable said:
If we do go for a 30mm weapon, it'll be a close range weapon (like double digit or three digit meters close) to be even remotely effective. well within tank cannon range, which would leave us outgunned on open terrain. we'd either have to stick to urban or jungle/forest terrain or pair the 30mm with rockets, missiles or a heavier-caliber cannon. It'll be a good choice for anti-infantry, anti-air and lighter anti-armor roles, however, so maybe pair it with a mecha loaded for anti-armor?

for anyone thinking of what to use for a weapon, the germans adapted their ww2 pak 40 75mm anti tank cannon for use on the HS 129 B-3. It made for a poorly maneuverable aircraft, but a 75mm autocannon would probably be a more optimal compromise on a mech. Good balance of firepower and fire rate.
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The first thing that comes to mind as an easy "general purpose" tank cannon that could be used somewhat effectively for both anti-armor and anti-infantry would be a full sized smoothbore tank cannon (so a bit above 100mm for right now IIRC) firing fin stabilized HEDP. Not going to be useful at all against aircraft, and we'd probably want a co-axial MG for close up infantry, but it's only 1 gun without having to worry about making both anti-tank and anti-infantry ammo.
 
7th Hex said:
The first thing that comes to mind as an easy "general purpose" tank cannon that could be used somewhat effectively for both anti-armor and anti-infantry would be a full sized smoothbore tank cannon (so a bit above 100mm for right now IIRC) firing fin stabilized HEDP. Not going to be useful at all against aircraft, and we'd probably want a co-axial MG for close up infantry, but it's only 1 gun without having to worry about making both anti-tank and anti-infantry ammo.
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i used the 115mm unique to the soviet t-62 for that. mostly because the t-62 can be exported from the ussr, or at least the cannon. first smoothbore of its kind made specifically for tanks.

problem though is that at long range, the 115 gives the mecha some teeth, but it will be at a disadvantage against regular tanks due to presenting a bigger target. hence why i think it should be partnered either with a mid-range autocannon for additional firepower at closer ranges, or a shield to increase protection at long range.
 
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[X] "Lightningbolt" 115mm Smoothbore Anti-Armor Gun (Back-mounted)
[X] "Thunderfire" 57mm Tri-barrel Autocannon (mech rifle)
[X] "Dragon's Tooth" Bayonet/Combat Knife

My top three picks. Can do long-range, but at a disadvantage against actual tanks. Best deployed at mid to close range in urban, forest or jungle terrain. Maybe hills as well. Would perform similarly to the AMP suits in Avatar which are 4 meters tall and use a 30mm autocannon as a rifle. The 57mm is a good mid-range anti-armor solution especially if engaging from the side or rear but can be loaded with anti-air rounds for AA roles. Meanwhile the 115mm smoothbore makes it a potent ambushing unit from range, especially with a 10-round magazine that can fire every few seconds or so before reloading. The knife is a last resort weapon meant for close combat, not a primary.

Overall the loadout makes it ideal as a vanilla ranged unit that can support infantry or traditional armored vehicles.
 
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[X] Plan: Ranged Assault Package (approx. 8 tons total)

Yeah, this is close to what I would have picked. Shoulder anti-armor gun for armored targets, machine gun for crowd control, and knife for emergencies/utility. My biggest worry is that we get 3 weapons that are great on their own, but don't form a cohesive combat loadout. Three powerful heavy single target weapons are great against a tank battalion, but crappy against infantry, numerous armed trucks, or aircraft.
 
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abominable said:
planted if it used the correct posture in any case
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That's why I was gonna make a heavy shield with a stake before I saw yours. So it can be used for cover yet stays upright while both hands can be used on weapons. You are right about the weight being enough though. For reference on the hydraulics look up The Tower Of Duraga anime. First episode has an example of the guy ramming his great heavy shield down while deploying the stake to stabilize it against the incoming horde. Later he mainly uses a buckler shield with the same set up but as a hold out weapon instead.
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Alright I changed it to anti-vehicle anti-armor. I ripped the weapon from the Avatar website. So that's where I got my info. I assume the higher damage is from the non standard bullets it can shoot and the more power stuffed into every shot. Which is why the barrel is soooooooooo much thicker than the Browning. Then I just added things In thought were reasonable.
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@harnackam
Is it a good idea to vote yet?
I presumed @HeroCooky was gonna look thru the options presented, give a list with mods as needed to fit in his world, with tonnage and pluses and maluses to having each?
Then final selection begins?
 
HeroCooky said:
No plan voting. Choose the weapons you want individually.
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How though? Doesn't the previous vote get overwritten by the next vote?

Doccer said:
@abominable
@harnackam
Is it a good idea to vote yet?
I presumed @HeroCooky was gonna look thru the options presented, give a list with mods as needed to fit in his world, with tonnage and pluses and maluses to having each?
Then final selection begins?
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Honestly not 100% sure how to vote for this round.
 
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Doccer said:
I presumed @HeroCooky was gonna look thru the options presented, give a list with mods as needed to fit in his world, with tonnage and pluses and maluses to having each?
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Originally I was going to add tonnage it that was missing in the winning weaponry/equipment, with boni and mali being created by the flavortext of each weapon before being rolled. Besides, you are playing as a communist commitee which is creating a new weaponsystem, so things being whacky fit perfectly. :p

You can also create/improve upon two Iron Tiger Systems as an Action in upcoming turns ad infinitum ad nauseam
abominable said:
How though? Doesn't the previous vote get overwritten by the next vote?
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You can disable Newest Votes Only in the voting tally option for just that.
 
Okay, edited the shield. It's now a deployable wall. :V

The mech can carry other handheld weapons but they need to be holstered.
 
harnackam said:
[X] Plan: Ranged Assault Package (approx. 8 tons total)

Yeah, this is close to what I would have picked. Shoulder anti-armor gun for armored targets, machine gun for crowd control, and knife for emergencies/utility. My biggest worry is that we get 3 weapons that are great on their own, but don't form a cohesive combat loadout. Three powerful heavy single target weapons are great against a tank battalion, but crappy against infantry, numerous armed trucks, or aircraft.
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No plan format, need to pick out the individual weapons, so long as they're within the weight limit.
 
Thanks.
Hmmm given that this is supposed to modular in princepal perhaps it's better to pick 2 or 3 specialized load outs to present the public? Anti infantry, anti air and sea, and anti tank?
 
It just occurred to me… but with all these mecha we're building, would it be possible for us to get a lead on mechanical prosthetics for disabled patients?
 
Yesss...! First Prosthetics, and the exosuits! SOoon! :V

I have no idea how well Mecha's would work in actual war and combat, but it's rule of cool damn it! lets make everyone else jellous of our mecha! Driving giant robots is a man's dream after all
 
[X] "Lightningbolt" 115mm Smoothbore Anti-Armor Gun (Back-mounted)
[X] "Thunderfire" 57mm Tri-barrel Autocannon (mech rifle)
[X] "Dragon's Tooth" Bayonet/Combat Knife
 
[X] "Lightningbolt" 115mm Smoothbore Anti-Armor Gun (Back-mounted)
[X] "Thunderfire" 57mm Tri-barrel Autocannon (mech rifle)
[X] "Dragon's Tooth" Bayonet/Combat Knife
 
[X] "Lightningbolt" 115mm Smoothbore Anti-Armor Gun (Back-mounted)
[X] "Thunderfire" 57mm Tri-barrel Autocannon (mech rifle)
[X] "Dragon's Tooth" Bayonet/Combat Knife
 
abominable said:
I'm honestly unsure what we should do with the +4 bonus. Maybe give it to the weapon with the lowest roll?
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Wait till weapon selection and see how that rolls out.

[X] "Dragon's Tooth" Bayonet/Combat Knife
[X] "Lightningbolt" 115mm Smoothbore Anti-Armor Gun (Back-mounted)
[X] Thermite Thermos
[X] Tiger Claw Gauntlet
[X] Shrapnel Kicker
[X] 'Drill' 30mm 7 barrel rotary autocannon.

Darkandus said:
Did I rip off the GAU-8?
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Huh. Tiger'd.
 
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