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Tacit Ronin: The Power of Three

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Fyrstorm said:
One problem; you can't (at least not right now). The thing that lets you have a Free Comms Action isn't an augment at all; it's the one-of-a-kind Military Computers you picked up from Vulcan's nest. If you wanted to, you'd have to reverse-engineer them as an Augment first.
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Wait it is what?
*checks*
Dammit, there goes that plan. One more thing on the research pile!
 
Everything in Seattle. We're already transferring stuff, there's no reason to forego the salvage facilities.
 
Fyrstorm said:
I haven't gotten that far yet, mainly because such a depth isn't likely to come up in this quest just yet. However, jaegers are made to be amphibious, so they can survive a fair deal of pressure. I'd say D-11 is the highest possible Depth a Jaeger could start taking penalties from, beyond the low light level-- and it'd likely be even further down instead of that. I have no clue what those penalties would be, however. At D-22 , you'd probably start suffering actual damage from the pressure (to be more specific, a sort of persistent level of Ongoing is what it'd probably be).
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Thank you, that is indeed is a neat spin. The below information may be of use someday ... (may TRvtW last that long) and is in no way intended as a judgement pro or con of the system nor your intent. Merely me interpreting the data and constructing head cannon appropriate.

So in cannon (IE the Movie) even if the bomb had penetrated we would have probably have had to written off All the Jaegers ( all the pilots except Chernos could have ejected. Kaidonovskys get all the feels).

The ocean floor close to the trench is roughly 4km and then begins a precipitous descent, cliff faces would have been too steep for a return climb.

And Guam the closest island is nearly 200 miles away... if suffering ongoing from crush all the pilots had come to peace before the mission with the idea of leaving the iron giants as ever vigilant sentinels overlooking the sealed breach.
 
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[X] Thank them for answering our questions and make any becessary preparations to return.
-[x] Take all the corpses to Neo-Seattle.
 
Fyrstorm said:
At D-22 , you'd probably start suffering actual damage from the pressure (to be more specific, a sort of persistent level of Ongoing is what it'd probably be).
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Highwind said:
The best way to model the effects of water pressure would be either a constant, small amount of Blunt damage applied to a random location or persistent ongoing at greater depths.
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I could see mechanically the actual pressure making small damage blunt attacks (roll for locations per normal) starting wherever you assign the red line depth wise.

As depths increase assign an increasing damage bonus until at D-22 pressure damage is a credible threat. Armor would have to be overcome, strikes could destroy armor, reduce Jaeger structure and durability, with chance of ongoing, or appropriate stat penalties.

D-12 ?1d5? +1 for every +2 lvls of Depth. So D-22 1d5 +5?

Just my 2 cents worth... I hope my idea was at least a jumping off point for consideration.

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Smithsguild said:
I could see mechanically the actual pressure making small damage blunt attacks (roll for locations per normal) starting wherever you assign the red line depth wise.

As depths increase assign an increasing damage bonus until at D-22 pressure damage is a credible threat. Armor would have to be overcome, strikes could destroy armor, reduce Jaeger structure and durability, with chance of ongoing, or appropriate stat penalties.

Just my 2 cents worth... I hope my idea was at least a jumping off point for consideration.
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It seems workable. Blunt has some pretty high thresholds for even minor wounds so even normally armored Jaegers, instead of our Super-Z Metal babies, would be able to go pretty freaking deep depending on where you stuck the line.
 
Fyrstorm said:
The next question; does MICHAEL think of or have anything that might have drawn this level of kaiju to them?
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This time, there's a little more hesitation from the outpost, before they answer. They don't think it was ANGEL-Net-- they've used their transmitter before, and there's been no correlation between usage and kaiju attacks. However, they can think of one event that might have caused something. A couple days ago, a small group of KRAUN transports from one of their northern research facilities stopped by for refueling. They didn't stay long-- only about a day before they flew off towards the south-- but their cargo registered the same sort of Breach radiation that Supercell reactors give off. That radiation signature is the only thing they can think of that would draw the kaiju-- unless the attackers were heading for KRAUN HQ, and just wanted to take out one of their facilities on the way over.
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Oh hell. That's probably it. And no, it most likely wasn't a Supercell. I don't think that's enough to call down a hit-squad of this scale, given that they use them in their Mk. VIs all the time.

My guess would be something recovered from a Kaiju nest, that the Precursors want back. Well, that or something Seijin-related. Though I suppose maybe they somehow managed to retrieve Striker Eureka's Supercell, and Precursors are angry about this turn of events. I find that very unlikely, though.

[X] Highwind
 
Nixeu said:
Oh hell. That's probably it. And no, it most likely wasn't a Supercell. I don't think that's enough to call down a hit-squad of this scale, given that they use them in their Mk. VIs all the time.

My guess would be something recovered from a Kaiju nest, that the Precursors want back. Well, that or something Seijin-related. Though I suppose maybe they somehow managed to retrieve Striker Eureka's Supercell, and Precursors are angry about this turn of events. I find that very unlikely, though.

[X] Highwind
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It might be part of their Mk VII project we've hypothesized exists based on Fyr's teasing. If that's supposed to be somewhere between Jagd's sisters and Striker I could see it being rather "noisy" when it came to Breach radiation.

Actually for that matter @Fyrstorm, does any part of canon or the supplemental stuff specify what kind of radiation is commonly found in Breaches?
 
BungieONI said:
It might be part of their Mk VII project we've hypothesized exists based on Fyr's teasing. If that's supposed to be somewhere between Jagd's sisters and Striker I could see it being rather "noisy" when it came to Breach radiation.

Actually for that matter @Fyrstorm, does any part of canon or the supplemental stuff specify what kind of radiation is commonly found in Breaches?
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Closest cannon source I can find:
Breach Report
And from the folding of Space / Time I would say High levels of Tachyons as in theory they are an FTL particle.
 
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Smithsguild said:
Closest cannon source I can find:
Breach Report
And from the folding of Space time I would say High levels of Tachyons as in theory they are an FTL particle.
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If you want to be really handwavey then yeah Tachyons could do it, but even in sci fi fiction Tachyons are rarely damaging particles. I'd expect things like Cherenkov radiation, gamma emissions and Fuck Loads of Alpha particles as it makes the local magnetic field its bitch with no lube.
 
BungieONI said:
It might be part of their Mk VII project we've hypothesized exists based on Fyr's teasing. If that's supposed to be somewhere between Jagd's sisters and Striker I could see it being rather "noisy" when it came to Breach radiation.

Actually for that matter @Fyrstorm, does any part of canon or the supplemental stuff specify what kind of radiation is commonly found in Breaches?
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Could be. Though, if just the reactors used caused this sort of attack on a regular basis, I think KRAUN might have noticed by now.
 
BungieONI said:
If you want to be really handwavey then yeah Tachyons could do it, but even in sci fi fiction Tachyons are rarely damaging particles. I'd expect things like Cherenkov radiation, gamma emissions and Fuck Loads of Alpha particles as it makes the local magnetic field its bitch with no lube.
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oh, I agree the ugly/deadly shit could be prevalent, even predominant. However the tachyons would only be available when spacetime fuckery is involved.
 
Nixeu said:
Could be. Though, if just the reactors used caused this sort of attack on a regular basis, I think KRAUN might have noticed by now.
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Hmmm, our current knowledge has them saying that they are still developing this technology, its why they are interested in Striker. Perhaps it was Supercell City Scale reactor? Its definitely weird.

We know that the KM's don't need any kind of anchor in our dimension to form a Breach, so it likely isn't that. Perhaps it is a Supercell powered Ante-former? Some kind of piece of a hostile terraforming or mining device?

We need to pay attention to what our scans say about Boreas. Something might have happened up there.
 
BungieONI said:
Actually for that matter @Fyrstorm, does any part of canon or the supplemental stuff specify what kind of radiation is commonly found in Breaches?
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None that I knew of.

I just tend to fluff Breaches as a big, nasty soup of various fun-ruining stuff. Cherenkov, Gamma, Tachyon, Neutrino, Alpha, Beta-- I'm no physicist, obviously, but the point is that they're very obvious without shielding.

Supercell reactors have a notably low (but still present) level of Tachyon emissions than a "normal" Breach, since they're not acting as a proper gate. That's how you can tell the difference between them.

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BungieONI said:
We know that the KM's don't need any kind of anchor in our dimension to form a Breach, so it likely isn't that.
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Not exactly Bungie; they don't need it to open a breach short term. All the long term STABLE ones are tied to geothermal power sources. Pacific Rim breach (breach #1), Mt. Saint Helens, the Atlantic Breach is assumed to be as well (I'm voting the Peurto Rican Trench).
 
Smithsguild said:
Not exactly Bungie; they don't need it to open a breach short term. All the long term STABLE ones are tied to geothermal power sources. Pacific Rim breach (breach #1), Mt. Saint Helens, the Atlantic Breach is assumed to be as well (I'm voting the Peurto Rican Trench).
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What I mean by "form", was the literal instance of actually making a Breach from their end, with the knowledge in mind that in order to stay open it has to be connected to tectonic or geothermal sources. The initial formation of a Breach doesn't require any fancy alien artifact to act as a beacon or anchor for them at least.
 
BungieONI said:
What I mean by "form", was the literal instance of actually making a Breach from their end, with the knowledge in mind that in order to stay open it has to be connected to tectonic or geothermal sources. The initial formation of a Breach doesn't require any fancy alien artifact to act as a beacon or anchor for them at least.
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My bet is it's a captive breach forming kaiju similar to Vortex they (KRAUN) are using as a research enhancer for attempt at a Striker style reactor, and the KM's decide they were getting too close to an answer...
 
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BungieONI said:
If you want to be really handwavey then yeah Tachyons could do it, but even in sci fi fiction Tachyons are rarely damaging particles. I'd expect things like Cherenkov radiation, gamma emissions and Fuck Loads of Alpha particles as it makes the local magnetic field its bitch with no lube.
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...Why no betas? I'd expect the full spectrum of ionizing radiation, personally. Maybe some more exotic stuff, like neutrinos or other weakly interacting particles. Or, if it's really weird, it radiates Higgs Bosons.
BungieONI said:
Hmmm, our current knowledge has them saying that they are still developing this technology, its why they are interested in Striker. Perhaps it was Supercell City Scale reactor? Its definitely weird.

We know that the KM's don't need any kind of anchor in our dimension to form a Breach, so it likely isn't that. Perhaps it is a Supercell powered Ante-former? Some kind of piece of a hostile terraforming or mining device?

We need to pay attention to what our scans say about Boreas. Something might have happened up there.
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Thanks for the reminder on Boreas. And yeah, I'm not sure what, if anything, the Precursors would have in the way of artifacts here, either.
Fyrstorm said:
None that I knew of.

I just tend to fluff Breaches as a big, nasty soup of various fun-ruining stuff. Cherenkov, Gamma, Tachyon, Neutrino, Alpha-- I'm no physicist, obviously, but the point is that they're very obvious without shielding.

Supercell reactors have a notably low (but still present) level of Tachyon emissions than a "normal" Breach, since they're not acting as a proper gate. That's how you can tell the difference between them.
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Ah. So it was definitely a Supercell, then, or at least something that's not acting as a real gateway. That makes things interesting. I'm going to go with "Mk VII core", then. They're probably partially organic and derived from a downed and captured Sword Kaiju, or something like that.

Also, why do beta particles get no love? I find them much more intimidating than alphas.
Smithsguild said:
My bet is it's a captive breach forming kaiju similar to Vortex they (KRAUN) are using as a research enhancer for attempt at a Striker style reactor, and the KM's decide they were getting too close to an answer...
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Don't know why one of those would be putting out the radiation signature of a Supercell. Eypecially since they act as full-on gates.
 
Nixeu said:
Don't know why one of those would be putting out the radiation signature of a Supercell. Eypecially since they act as full-on gates.
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I didn't say it was necessarily a gate kaiju, but maybe a kaiju with an organic reactor to power an ability. Something we have NOT encountered.
 
Smithsguild said:
I didn't say it was necessarily a gate kaiju, but maybe a kaiju with an organic reactor to power an ability. Something we have NOT encountered.
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True we haven't encountered such a thing, but we have encountered Sword Class with internal Nuclear powerplants. Perhaps its an upgrade from them? Probably not.
 
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