Yeah. I've just had a rough week. But it's the weekend now, so I can finally tie up this fight and move us along.
 
I don't see how a half-cloak makes Phenom into a luchador. As far as I know the signature of a luchador is his mask, not his cape. And a coat of plates is as simple as a number of metal plates sewn onto leather or cloth, so I don't see how that's too complicated to pull off. The most mechanically complicated part of it would be the quick-release mechanism, and those aren't exactly rocket science.

I do admit it doesn't mesh 100% with Phenom's theme, but it's a viable piece of equipment that doesn't clash with his style or alter his current equipment in a significant manner. You could also see it as the clothes he wears in his introduction when entering the ring and he either drops it when the real match starts, or wears them during the fight to mock his opponent/wow the crowd.
Capes are another common aesthetic choice in lucha libre, though less emphasized than the mask. They're usually removed before the match starts, though, like you said.
Those would work, but they're definitely more complicated than a coat of plates with a mechanism to purge it. There's also the issue of adding a pair of extra arms for the Rangers to control, which might require finding a third Ranger for Phenom or spending an action on Drift Shenanigans research depending on how difficult it is.
Yeah, I know. Still tempted.
I've added a few counter-counterpoints to the counterpoints on PV's sheet, and suggested a compromise on the shield. Honestly, I think Knight's a bit too attached to this Blocking thing; as others have stated, if you want your Big Stompy Thing to block incoming attacks, give us an incentive to do so rather than just insist on it when it goes against its build. Odds are, we'll otherwise overrule you and not only boost its stats to enhance its preexisting strengths rather than change its role in combat entirely (as increasing PV's HtH enough to make blocking viable would do), but also use the reactions its stats are appropriate for rather than the one you want it to use.

Also, I specifically suggested the Falchion because, in most people's minds, Knight = Swordsman, while still holding to Knight Disciple's desire for the hammer to be its primary weapon by suggesting it as a backup. I only just found out that there is evidence of historical knights actually USING falchions in combat, which significantly increases the thematic-ness of the suggestion from my initial impression of "it's a sword, but knights used straight swords." To contrast, the knife he wants instead sounds like an "absolute last resort, all my other weapons are gone and cannot be retrieved in time" kind of backup to me (when's the last time you heard of a knife-wielding knight? I would assume "never").
I mean...the Falchion can be used one-handed, but I feel like there might be better options for that.
I think Nix meant "matador." Bit unusual for a matador to fight unarmed, but hey- if he can pull it off, good for him, right?
Nope, just went with a type of wrestler that often wear capes. Not always, but often.
That's... confusing? Why would making leather out of something that's already tough be less practical than magic-ing up a nanofiber mesh on a K-scale? Kaiju skin already has an armor value in and of itself, you'd think using that would be easier.
Because the normal methods of creating leather probably won't apply to Kaiju skin, since it's silicon-based, and their armor may also be partially derived from dermal bone, which doesn't get turned into leather too easily.
Fair enough. I'd throw together a "rough estimate" sheet for the vest's stats if I had any ability as a QM, but I've never run a game for other people before (let alone homebrewed) so I wouldn't know where to start.

I mentioned the Resilience because I was thinking... well, maybe acting as a cushion, which would give Blunt Resilience? Admittedly, the vest may be too thin to serve as adequate cushioning, on further thought, but it seems like a plausible way to achieve that effect.

But anyway, it's probably at least worth looking into, if only for the pockets.
Quality of gear is highly dependent on how high we roll.
Ha... Ha... Haha... Hahahahahahaha!

I made it! I read it all and reach the end!

\>_</

*pass out*
Excellent, a new player! And yeah, it can take a while.
The Jaeger Doc is publicly-available and linked in the beginning posts, so I don't see why me replying here as a method of discussion (heated as I may have been) is so bad? I found the language of "screams for" somewhat objectionable.
The issue was you quoted a post that didn't say that, then responded to it. From the outside, without context, it would look like you pulled that from nowhere. If you wanted to quote my stuff from the doc, copy it, then type something like (quote=Nixeu Comment in Proposal Doc), only with appropriate bracketing.

And yes, I got that you dislike the phrasing. I use it regularly for when I feel like something, in my opinion, would work incredibly nicely with something else. Which is, as said, a personal assessment. It's a statement of my personal view, not a slight on you or your build. You can't exactly argue that I'm incorrectly assessing my own feelings or judgement.
However. I did have a thought this morning regarding Parrying vs Blocking, which might settle this, not require stat-juggling, and still let me keep him to the mental image/theme I have...

That idea is that he Parries, with the fluff being smashing the attack aside with his Hammer. In my mind this also plays into the strength of the Hammer (which should be a big lump of armor and maybe rocket engines), meaning it won't quickly break.

The Barrier could still be kept for Ranged attacks, I would think? I mean, we're still working on non-Dodge Ranged Reactions anyway....
Honestly, I had that idea last night, but refrained from suggesting it, since you seemed set on Blocking, and also because I saw it as a way to deal with Ranged. That's perfectly fine by me, and definitely resolves pretty much all my concerns about Reactions. Might be an interesting challenge to give it a good Parry bonus, but maybe the rockets will help with the usual issues with Parrying with heavy weaponry (swing-to-recovering base stance-time, to use the best description I can give as a non-expert).
I do want to apologize for how snappy I got over this. I've had a long and busy few weeks, and when you combine that general mental state with the frustrations I've had (legitimate or no) at seeing several rounds of "OMG SHINY" type reactions to all-new all-different builds, and then seeing several suggestions that, to my perception, seemed set to completely alter my intended look and theme, I reacted poorly. I should not have been snappy even if I disagreed with the suggestions.
Honestly, I, at least, just don't have a good feel on where your lines are. Like...paladins can come in a rather huge variety of forms, and your entry is really bare-bones, so I just don't have a feel for what you're going for. Pretty much all I know is tanky, Barrier, and rocket hammer. That's about it.

There's a reason why I give my thoughts and reasoning in my Jaeger proposals, because it helps people understand why you made the choices you've made. A list of equipment with maybe a sentence next to each doesn't tell people much. Especially not what's suppose be uniting the disparate parts of the build, I.E. the theme and aesthetic.
Regarding the highlighted bit, I'd rather that you just pick a different Jaeger design proposal (which is what Nix stated/"threatened" (not sure of a better word but I don't mean that in a negative sense, sorry if this is rough wording) above). The attitude of "we'll just change your design" should not be so easily fallen on; frankly I'd feel less insulted if you just picked one of the dozen other proposals that you feel is a better on.
More me making my lines clear. I dislike withdrawing previously stated support for stuff without explaining why. Better to tell you now, rather than when it comes down to voting.
Regarding the falchion vs knife/fists, firstly I feel compelled to point out PV's a paladin, not just a knight. :p

Now, having said that, the thing is....I'm pretty sure Jaghund's about the only Jaeger we have right now that has multiple wielded melee options?
I mean, shoot, in canon none of the Jaegers had multiple distinct melee options; they all had "unique melee weapon, plus fists". GD and GA had their swords plus fists, Striker had blades plus fists, Saber had sword+fists, etc...
I feel like that might just have been due to having multiple options either, in-universe, increasing costs, or because it would make things less cinematic when those weapons were damaged or lost. Practically speaking, having backups that aren't your fists is generally rather useful, even if it's not always particularly easy, particularly with HtH builds that use built-ins.
As for a buckler, at that point I'd say maybe some sort of "fold out shield" on the forearms?
...That's pretty much what I suggested, though...like, that's what Storm Legate uses. It's supposed to let him use that arm for other stuff, as well. Given that he only has the one hand, I felt like having that taken up with a shield was a bad idea.
Could be a potential future design, depending on how fast the shield folds out. Buckler as a stand-in while we work on that fold-out, maybe?
Electromagnetic hardening can theoretically make an otherwise flimsy material more durable. It makes retractable shields much more viable, IMO.
I'm 1000% in Knights camp on this, you don't like his ideas support a different build but the whole "We'll just overrule you and Hi-jack your build concept" that's just shitty diplomacy IMHO and a tacky tactic to boot.
Mostly, I was just pointing out that expecting players to do something suboptimal in combat, just for aesthetic reasons, is kinda unrealistic and unreasonable. The idea was more "make it optimal if you want us to do it your way" rather than "hijack the build". When winning the fight is potentially on the line, we can't exactly afford to make sub-optimal moves.
 
The idea was more "make it optimal if you want us to do it your way" rather than "hijack the build".

Suggesting a course of actions I have no problem with suggestions. Withdrawal of support I have no problem if an idea is not worthy of support.

The following was stated and I see no way to view it as anything other than a threat of straight hijack.

My thought's are if the build is too sub-optimal to support, say I cannot support this because of X. Not this abortion of diplomacy; We'll take your shit and build it like we think is best. You can only polish a turd and make it so shiny, in the end it's still a turd.

Sir Plusse was mature enough to admit blood pressure was up and it wasn't presented as diplomatically as it should have been. Totally forgiven and understandable, but trying to present it as written as other than fecal matter @Nixeu is a waste of your talent and our time.

Odds are, we'll otherwise overrule you and not only boost its stats to enhance its preexisting strengths rather than change its role in combat entirely (as increasing PV's HtH enough to make blocking viable would do), but also use the reactions its stats are appropriate for rather than the one you want it to use.
 
Suggesting a course of actions I have no problem with suggestions. Withdrawal of support I have no problem if an idea is not worthy of support.

The following was stated and I see no way to view it as anything other than a threat of straight hijack.

My thought's are if the build is too sub-optimal to support, say I cannot support this because of X. Not this abortion of diplomacy; We'll take your shit and build it like we think is best. You can only polish a turd and make it so shiny, in the end it's still a turd.

Sir Plusse was mature enough to admit blood pressure was up and it wasn't presented as diplomatically as it should have been. Totally forgiven and understandable, but trying to present it as written as other than fecal matter @Nixeu is a waste of your talent and our time.
Seem to be mistaking my point, Smith. I was trying to clarify what I was trying say to Knight. Sir Plusse is on his own. I ain't defending him, but rather, making the distinction between my point and his.

You'll note I never said anything about taking over the build, but rather that, if the build came through as it was, we were almost inevitably going to pick Parry and not Block, when actually fighting. Like...if the choice is 1d10+4 Parry or 1d10+2 Block, are you really telling me you'd go for Block, if the build's creator insisted on it?

I know this is kinda a moot point now, but I think it illustrates a fundamental principle of Jaeger design: if you want the players to play a certain way, make it the best way to play that Jaeger. Give them a reason to want to play that way, don't just insist they have to play it that way. You'll note I very much practice what I preach, there. Why do you think my Jaeger's stats are usually super specialized? I mean, besides my ingrained urge to min-max. Kinda hard to play it wrong if the stats aren't there.
 
Throw me 1d10+1 and 1d10+4 for Everett's Comms and Scanners, respectively.
 
I think it's best if we stop now, cooled our heads, and moved on to a different subject.

So! What about them Blue Stars prisioners? You guys think we'll get any useful intel from them, like where their base is? Also, I think the next downtime plan should include telling KRAUN about what just went down, because the appearance of a hostile faction with not only three Jaegers, but also advanced bio-tech, is the sort of thing we should warn our allies about.
 
Seem to be mistaking my point, Smith. I was trying to clarify what I was trying say to Knight. Sir Plusse is on his own. I ain't defending him, but rather, making the distinction between my point and his.

My bad, I never had ANY beef with anything you stated. The issue with Plusse is settled in my eyes as he owned his comments and offered his own explanation, just figured when you quoted me you were inserting yourself between myself and Plusse, and defending an IMHO indefensible position.
 
I think it's best if we stop now, cooled our heads, and moved on to a different subject.
Works for me.
So! What about them Blue Stars prisioners? You guys think we'll get any useful intel from them, like where their base is? Also, I think the next downtime plan should include telling KRAUN about what just went down, because the appearance of a hostile faction with not only three Jaegers, but also advanced bio-tech, is the sort of thing we should warn our allies about.
Already in the draft of the plan me and @BungieONI have managed to bang out, mostly because we have several other things to discuss with them as well, including trade routes and touching base on how their Crusade prep is going.

I'm hoping to, at the very least, get the names of the Jaeger pilots we just went up against, as well as getting a better fix on how they operate, maybe the size of their organization/territory. I don't expect to find their base, though. Hints, perhaps, but not their actual base's coordinates.
 
Personally, the best I'm hoping for from the prisoners is a bit of insight into their tech tree. New blueprints or coordinates to check would be nice, admittedly, but even if all we can manage to get out of them is the sort of things they know how to do that's worthwhile information, right?
 
Omake: Nova Striker vs The Solar System
I'm not very good with all the scientific stuff, so I decide to do something else, something a little more... super.

I hope you enjoy it.

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She could remember the simpler times.

"We, becoming pilots! Can you believe it!?" Her sister says with a big smile, she could barely contain herself.

"Heh, of course, and in no time we will get our own Jaeger, you will see!" She answers back, a smirk on her face, they were in the top of the world.


She could remember the bad times.

Teeth, so many teeth, why it has so many teeth?

The good times.

"Hey, we will get through this, ok?" He says as he holds her hand.

"Together."

It feels warm.


The life she had, before coming to this ocean of stars.

"They decide to call it, The Seattle Obelisk." He says while revealing the titanic spaceship.

"That's a horrible name, boss," she says without hesitation.

"Agree," he answered just as fast.


It was never easy, but they thought they have a chance, they honestly thought they could win…

Then the Category VI appeared.

"What's that!?" Someone yells in terror.

"It's connecting to the ocean floor! Is creating a volcano!" One of the operators explains, the fear, no, the horror in her voice was obvious.

"Send all the civilians to the bunkers, now! We have to-" The voice was interrupted by pain.

Teeth, so many teeth.


They survive, not all of them.

"Please, don't cry," he whispers, trying to hold back the pain of his injures.

"Don't die, please don't die, not you too," she cries, begging, to him, to anyone.

"Hey... promise me... something," his voice is becoming more and more faint.

"What?" She asks without noticing.

"Don't… don't let... this be… the end of our world…" he finishes, his last words.


But enough people survive to try again, in a safer place, outside the Earth, outside our home.

They develop new technologies.

"I'm the Amaterasu unit, nice to meet you," an emotionless voice speaks.

"I think I will call you Amy," she joke.

"But… this unit name is Amaterasu," the same voice answers, but this time here was something else in there, confusion.

"Yeah, but that's a mouthful," she continues, a smirk in her face.

"...I see," and now, an annoyed tone.


They create new weapons.

"A brawler, huh? I like it," she says while admiring the new mechanical warrior.

"Indeed, our reports indicate that the Kaiju were developing to counter bladed weapons, so we decide to do something a little different." One of the engineers says while working in one of the blue prints.

"What's her name?" she asks distracted, that visor, she likes that look.

The Machine, it looks sleek, yet powerful, like its ready to burst into movement in any moment, its chest proudly displayed, its generator is easy to see, its arms and legs and slightly bulky, like it was using gauntlets and boots, and it has two propulsors in its back and many smaller ones around it body to control itself in space.

And of course, it was painted white, from head to toe, though here were some black lines all over it, like a small space between panels.

"Her?" The engineer asks in confusion.

"Well, Amy will be in there, right?"

"Ah, true enough, her name is…"


All so they could take their home back, but of course they have to ruin it, like always.

"It's a Cat V!" The radar operator yells.

"All to battle stations, prepare to fight!" Is the Captain response.

"We need to use the new Jaeger!" she urges.

"Negative, isn't ready yet," the Captain denies her immediately.

"If we don't do something fast, we will all die!" She yells at him, frustration, rage, vengeance, all those emotions are reflected in her face.

"...Very well, and be careful," he relents on the end.


And so she when out, and then…

"Ash…!"

Then what?

"Ash...y!"

What was… what was happening?

"Ashley!" A synthetic voice yells at her, is full of worry.

"Huh! Amy?" She answers back, disoriented, "what, what happened?"

"Solomon's Fangs, they seem to be creating some kind of neural attack, are you ok?" The AI asks, her tone is still of worry, but here's relief too.

"Ye… yeah, I was, I was just remembering… things," Ashley finishes with a small whisper.

"I will not pry, but what can we do now? We're still surrounded."

After hearing that, Ashley focus in the outside, Amy is right, around are at least ten Fangs, all moving slowly around the Jaeger, almost like they are dancing.

A few second pass before Ashley speaks again.

"Amy, is the new core functional?"

"What!? You can't be sirousl-" She's interrupted before she can finish her sentence.

"Amaterasu," Ashley tone is final.

"...Yes." Was the AI response.

"We're using it."

"...Are you sure," the synthetic voice has the worry back in its tone, but alongside something else, excitement?

"I have never been more sure of something," was the pilot confident response.

"Understood, place the Jaeger in the right position, please," Amaterasu says while begin to initiate a special sequence for the first time in the Jaeger.

"On it." Ashley says at the same time as the Jaeger picks up her legs and wraps her arms around herself, almost in fetal position.

"Activating, Nova Core," this time the excitement is obvious in the AI voice.

The chest of the mechanical warrior lights up, the red generator becoming brighter and brighter.

"Activating, Laser Venting System."

The black lines around the armor of the Jaeger suddenly reveal their true purpose, they weren't actual lines but the space that was left after her armor folded into herself, now the armor was expanding, revealing a collection of red hot lines, multiples sets of lasers, all getting ready.

"Red on white, the colors of a hero," Ashley whispers.

"Reaching critical temperature," Amaterasu voice was calm, her excitement forgotten, now her only focus was to keep her pilot alive, "venting, now."

"Light Explosion!" Ashley yells.

The Jaeger expanded all her limbs followed by every red line in the Jeager body shooting lasers outward, many of the Fangs dancing around getting destroyed in the barrage, a few of them returning to their master.

"Temperature returning to acceptable levels."

The red lines around the Jarger were still shining though, the fire in her core still burning.

Ashley couldn't help but smile.

"Heh, what do you think about that, you big asshole!" She celebrates while pointing at the Cat V that have attacked her ship, her new home.

The Kaiju simply tilt his head as four Fangs move to each of his arms, all six of them, the Fangs combining and turning into some kind of long blades, the Kaiju then assumes a battle stance.

"I think it wants to fight at melee now," Amaterasu says in a deadpan tone.

"Good, so do I!" Ashley yells as she brings up her hands to guard her face, her Jaeger following her movements to the perfection thanks to her new neural interface.

"Let me show you my burning rage!" She yells with all her might.

"Our rage," Amy corrects her lightly.

The propulsors on the Jaeger's back suddenly burst into life, launching the machine towards the Kaiju, if someone were to see it from afar, it would almost look like a pair of wings made of fire.

"The Rage of Nova Striker!" Both pilot and AI yell.

Nova Striker vs The Solar System
 
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...heat needs a medium to conduct through. Not a lot of those in space.


I don't know why that's my main thought but it's what sticks out to me.
 
Thanks!


I did say I wasn't very good with the scientific stuff. :V

What could work that would have a similar effect?
Hard vacuum is one of the best insulators out there. To get an effective energy attack you need it to be something that can convey itself through that medium. Heat works if you're using light as the transmitter, Radiation could work, Plasma could work but as that's fundamentally an ionized gas you run into ammo issues...

Really, in space LASERs & Co. are your best bet if you're not just shooting missiles.
 
Better?
"Activating, Laser Venting System."

The black lines around the armor of the Jaeger suddenly reveal their true purpose, they weren't actual lines but the space that was left after her armor folded into herself, now the armor was expanding, revealing a collection of red hot lines, multiples sets of lasers, all getting ready.

"Red on white, the colors of a hero," Ashley whispers.

"Reaching critical temperature," Amaterasu voice was calm, her excitement forgotten, now her only focus was to keep her pilot alive, "venting, now."

"Light Explosion!" Ashley yells.

The Jaeger expanded all her limbs followed by every red line in the Jeager body shooting lasers outward, many of the Fangs dancing around getting destroyed in the barrage,
a few of them returning to their master.

"Temperature returning to acceptable levels."
 
Got Bored, made a thing.
Ebon Prowler
Class: Mk II
Motivation: To hunt them down.
Pilots: Necessary

Starting Stats (12/15)
HtH: 3
Ran: 0
Str: 2
Tou: 2
Agi: 4
Dex: 1

Archetype/Theme: Scary Claws Guy. No Not Phenom, the other guy.
Preferred Reaction: Dodge
Primary Weapon/Method of Attack: Claws.
General Aesthetics: Combine Obsidian Fury and Into the Spider-verse's Prowler. Parallels to Phenom, but where Phenom is a Jaguar, Prowler is a Cheetah.

Stat Priorities: Agi > HtH > Tou > Str > Dex > Ran

Gear Breakdown:
Weapons, Gadgets, and Armor:
Primary armaments are a set of combat talons similar to Phenom's but optimized for clawing a punching over grab-and-squeeze.

Augment/Mod wise, primary priorities are GAPAS, and extensive set of rocket boosters built into the frame to make him a very agile boi, possible speed-optimized HVMS, etc.

Perks Wise, the one of the things I have in mind is something that impedes enemy passing attacks and/or reduces the penalties for moving and attacking, to make hit-and-run an actual legitimate tactic. The other is something like Vertiguant's ridiculous punch-storm thing, but with spiked robo-gauntlets so we can literally rip them to shreds.

Gear Priorities
Critical: Prowler Claws, Jet frame system, GAPAS
High: HVMS?, Jagdarium armor, faraday frame.
Medium: Backup/additional weapons?
Low: Ranged attack, for when he eventually gets a point of it thrown at him.
 
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