so i know our libra did tons of dmg to ork forces but compared to standard imperial force, how would they fair? what made our fighters and bombers effective again (other then space marine level pilots)?
Still pretty good, especially against destroyers and other escorts. Sword-classes would be a bit more dangerous because they have a fairly potent CIWS setup for Imperial shipbuilding compared to their size, but even then, it's not a high priority for them. Most factions just don't have a very high focus on Point Defense because most factions don't focus on mass ordnance strikes. This isn't to say that it'll never happen--for instance, there's a minor Xenos race called the Rak'gol in the Koronus Expanse that have insanely good PD, and it's possible for after-market upgrades to get an Imperial formation to have a concerningly potent flak screen, but it's not the default assumption.
It's just not going to be "Every strike craft attack is a critical" like it is against Orks, because they actually bother armoring the parts of their ship that aren't the prow.
I should have voted but I forgot but isn't three warning excessive? Like 2 at most should have been enough and if they ignored them that's on them, giving so many to me makes it seem like we're a lot weaker then we are and are trying to scare them away. Or that's at least what I would think if I was in charge of this Neon Flotilla. Like a all bark and no bite kind of scenario.
I should have voted but I forgot but isn't three warning excessive? Like 2 at most should have been enough and if they ignored them that's on them, giving so many to me makes it seem like we're a lot weaker then we are and are trying to scare them away. Or that's at least what I would think if I was in charge of this Neon Flotilla. Like a all bark and no bite kind of scenario.
Space is big, and we want to make damned sure we've crossed our t's and dotted our i's, it costs us little to give three warnings, and it might benefit us.
Yep. Now, the dream is that they back the fuck off, but we at least did our due diligence and gave them a fair chance to fuck off, and gave them an out.
The Itani SDF is about to get fucked though, Imperial ships are scary, and even though our SDF forces are also scary and outnumber them... Well, it's gonna get nasty. I just hope we can get some salvage to study.
Of course, if these are shitty, sub-IN ships, that'd be nice, but we can't count on that.
+++PROBABILITY ANALYSIS COMPLETED+++ Came the monotone voice of Magos Cykan 46/3 Semius, their mani-fold augmetic-eyes looking with their tell-tale buzzing and whirring of its many lenses adjusting once again at the sight of Lord Captain Sibill van Silberflügel. +++LIKELYHOOD OF DECEPTION: 0%+++
An answer answered itself with a frown upon the face of the chair-bound woman who had followed her cousin into this punishment out of principle. "Then we deal with traitors, not Xenos? How were they able to survive the Greenskin onslaught here? Our agents were able to confirm the presence of their Warboss within this system..." she spoke, though the last sentence was mumbled to herself instead of asked to the room. Yet, her ship's Mago was never one for social hints...no matter how bluntly delivered.
+++PROBABILITY OF HERETIC ELEMENT [CODENAME HYDRA] INVOLVEMENT: 100%+++ they spoke, the glare of Sibill's Confessor swiftly followed by his bellowing voice interrupting the attempts of the crew to appear as if they weren't listening to the conversation, holy litanies keeping the thought of the Arch-Enemy out of the minds of the lessers. +++STARTING NEW CALCULATION-CYCLE WITH NEW PARAMETERS+++ They concluded, staring once more at the world without comprehension as their mind turned inwards to the mysteries of the Omnissiah.
"Be that as it may, our orders are clear. They had decades to identify themselves as loyal subject to the Imperium, yet they did not. They have lived beyond the grace of the God-Emperor despite being able to join the lines once more, sullied themselves with Tech-Heresy, are threatening the rightful stewards of His Worlds, and have insulted the Lord High Protector. Their death warrant is signed by their own hand. Proceed at best speed, and prepare for battle," she commanded, her voice even and final; none within her fleet entertaining the thought of disobedience, and plumes of fiery energy began to flicker into existence as ships ceased coasting after the second warning had been received.
"Captain? We got some strange readings here," a voice spoke aboard Scout Monitor 051, indicating a cluster of sensor ghosts nearing the lines from a weird angle.
"Hrm...keep an eye on them and share data with the fleet. If they persist, treat them as cloaked ships."
"At once, Captain."
+++SUB-OPTIMAL FLEET LAYOUT+++ Magos Cykan 46/3 Semius seemed to scoff, several of their mechadendrites already twisting and turning around the access ports of the hololith, a dozen simulations playing out within seconds, and each ended the same: hostile ships in the way of one another, sight-lines blocked, maneuvers interrupted, coordination flawed. It was not enough to turn the battle in their favor, but sufficient to ensure that this heavily built-up SDF could not bring its superior tonnage to bear against them. +++PERMISSION TO UPDATE BATTLEPLAN+++ They intoned, and Lord Captain Sibill waved her hand in acquiescence after she poured over the proposed changes, her own augments cutting the process down to a mere second. +++DEPLOYING NEW FLEET PARAMETERS+++
"CAPTAIN! The Sensor Ghosts are ships!" A voice cut through the bridge's din as people tried to position themselves anew in response to the enemy's last-minute changes.
"Damn it, send notice to Commodore Junus! Prepare for an attack and get me targeting data as soon as possible!"
"At once!"
A slight tremor ran through the ship, shields flaring in response to the light lance trying its best to pierce through their defenses. Like the last seven times, it failed.
"Bastards," Captain Honoratius cursed, seeing the damaged hull of the monitor race away at the last possible second from the macro-cannon shell about to impact it. "Almost got a scratch on the hull."
"Shall I order the gunners disciplined?" His Second asked, scowling at the miss with evident displeasure.
"No need; they are greener than green, and the mere fact that they came close to hitting is a testament to their training and talent. Order double shifts for the next month instead. I want that talent polished to a mirror-sheen," he replied, lounging back in his seat as he watched the hololith display the closing lines of the main battle...well, the 'Main' battle for the traitors. That fleet wasn't the one carrying the nukes.
"Captain! Orders from the Lord Captain!" A rating suddenly piped up, standing straight with a scroll in their hands, practically still fresh from the servo-scribe. A dismissive gesture brought the scroll in his hand, and a moment later, he scowled before standing up.
"Bad news," Captain Honoratius bellowed, throwing the scroll to the rating without looking, forcing them to scramble after it under the unimpressed gaze of the Second. "We are to retreat. Killing traitors is not on the docket for to-"
"WARP EMERGENCE SIGNATURES IN THE FLEET!" A sensor officer screamed, and, as if to underline their words, two large boxes filled with warning appeared almost at the front of the enemy fleet...and two signatures emerged.
Labeled as two [Battle Cruiser]s...
'Not good,' Lord Captain Sibill van Silberflügel thought within her mind as two behemoths of ships suddenly emerged at the front of the enemy fleet, the tactical display struggling to classify them. What it didn't struggle to classify were the dozens of macro-cannon shells already flying against her Cobras, clusters of missiles racing after those with elan she would have found admirable...if these ships hadn't been marked with a small identifier that damned this "Glimmering Federation" beyond doubt.
"Order a fighting retreat. We were here to burn out Xenos squatting on Imperial planets, not fight to our deaths," she ordered, and her crew followed her commands with hectic voices rising and messages flying through her fleet. "Magos, I want these two ships cataloged and identified. My cousin will be quite interested in their capabilities."
+++AT ONCE+++ They replied quickly, a glimmer of religious hatred shining through their mechanical voice. +++THE HERETEKS OF THE FEDERATION SHALL NOT BE ALLOWED TO CLAIM LIVES BY OUR IGNORANCE, THIS I SWEAR+++ They hissed, their mechadendrites writhing with barely controlled violence at the dawning understanding that the 'humans' here had either traded Xenos knowledge...or had willingly become subjects of them.
"An attack would have been ill-advised," She Who Burns Through Bridges cautioned. The flicker of the video of her vessel's bridge was an indicator of the damage her ship had suffered thanks to the battle...and the jump through the Warp at reckless speeds.
"As much as I despise the sentiment, I agree," Commodore Junus sighed, glaring all the same at the recordings of the retreating ships. It was only by a minor miracle that the Kin had been in the ideal position to intervene, barely a jump away from Itani on their shake-down cruise. But it would be another minor miracle if their ships could partake in the fighting to come. The next shipyard would likely be their home for a decade, at the quickest, and the Itani one would be too exposed to service them. Much as he hated to acknowledge that, as they had saved his ass, Neon would have fried it to crispy if they hadn't put their homes on the line. "I will see that you get all the materials and help you order as a priority to get your ships void-worthy once again; you can be sure of that," he said instead. There was a lot of damage, especially for the scouts who had managed to stave off the enemy sneak attack. If that had gone according to plan...he suppressed a shudder.
"Thank you," She Who Burns Through Bridges replied, nodding her head before cutting the feed, leaving him to try and salvage what he could. Thank the Star Child that there had been no ship lost.
"Commodore, we have friendly Warp Signatures. Reinforcements have arrived," someone said in the sensor-pits, and he chuckled at that.
"And only two days too late."
You Have 3 [Three] Actions. (6-Hour Moratorium) [] [General] Develop The Federations'...
-[] Food Production VI
-[] Civilian Infrastructure VII
-[] Heavy Industry VI
-[] Void Industry VIII
-[] Medical Services II -[] Military Industry III
(Gain: A boost in production focusing on the chosen option.)
[] [General] Colonize (Planet)
It is time to bring another world into the fold. Thanks to the Kil'drabi becoming our Kin, we can now categorize Frozen, Ash, and Volcanic Worlds as Habitable instead.
(Gain: A colonized World.
Habitable Worlds: Ultima Sigritta - Sira (Mesa and Savannah), Silista - Silista X (Temperate Continent), Itani - Grubbub (Ash and Frozen), Gnatiila - Smug (Volcanic and Ash)
Hostile Worlds (-1 Void Industry): N/A
Deathworlds (-1 to All): N/A)
-[] Directional Ion Shields
(Gain: Directional Ion Shield Emitters for your whole Military.) -[] Infantry-Grade Weapons and Armor Development
(Gain: Infantry Weapons/Armor Upgrades.) -[] Karnivore Weapon And Equipment Loadouts
(Gain: Improve and add to the weapons of your Karnivores.) -[] Anti-Ork Ecology Cleansing Methods (0/2)
(Gain: Reduces time to conquer Ork Worlds.) -[] New Fighters for a New Age (0/2)
(Gain: New Fighters.) -[] New Bombers for a New Age (0/2)
(Gain: New Bombers.) -[] Ship Design Improvements (0/2)
(Gain: +2 DP to all Ship Classes) -[] Ship Equipment Standartization - [1 DP Equipment] (0/4)
(Gain: Standardize 1 [One] 1 DP Ship Equipment across all new Designs.)
Hereteks Refuge - Reduce Research Cost by 20%, Rounded Up. +0.2 Research per Action Spent. (0.2 Research Banked)
[] [Military] Create A [Blazing Sun - War-Pack] or SAG - [System] - [Weight: Light/Medium/Heavy] - [Type: Infantry/Mechanized/Tanks] - [Classification: Sabotage/Assault/Engineering/Demolition/Ogryn/Kil'drabi]
Sabotage Units will focus on raiding and disrupting the enemy with lighting raids and plundering logistics; Assault Units will punch through the enemy in weak points and sow confusion with overwhelming firepower; Engineering Units will focus on creating fortifications and using turrets, mines, and barricades; Demolition Units will be comprised out of heavy weaponry squads with plenty of explosives, from mines to rockets; and Ogryn Units will be Ogryns armored in heavy metals and armed with shields and Beatin' Sticks led by men and women with spiffy hats that will not be disobeyed. Kil'drabi Units can go into temperature enviroments Humans would require special equipment with ease. Infantry Units consist mainly of boots on the ground, while Mechanized Units are equipped with vehicles that increase mobility and durability at the cost of logistics and all-terrain capability, with Tanks allowing a myriad of armored spearheads or operations to proceed. Light Units are better for Low-Logistic scenarios, while Medium Units rely more on regular shipments yet strike a good balance between supply consumption and effectiveness, with Heavy Units reliant on solid logistics to continue working while also offering an equal force-concentration in return. A War-Pack consists out of 15 Karnivores grouped in Packs of 3 Knights each, alongside the infrastructure/logistics to support and rebuild their Knights.
(Gain: A SAG. These contain [Four Units] chosen from the above choices. Tanks require no Classification.)
[] [Military] [Construct/Refit] A Warp Ship - [Choose a Design]
Ships are produced at these rates: Six Scouts, Four Destroyers, two Frigates, and One Light Cruiser per decade.
(Gain: Chosen Ships.)
[][Military] Design A New Voidship Class - [Available: Destroyer, Frigate, Light Cruiser]
From what we can tell, thanks to our history, what information we have available, and what the Kil'drabi and the Governor of Droma III tell us, the difference between a prosperous interstellar polity and one naught but ash is the strength of their navy. At the moment, we have the beginning of a nascent Void Fleet, yet purely defending against our enemies is a great way to get ground down into dust over time; we need to be able to bring the fight to them.
(Gain: A newly designed and built Ship Class.)
[] [Military] Begin Military Operations (Assign SAG/s) (Choose Location/s) (Designate Objective/s) -[] 3x Free Celestial Choirs
-[] Task Fleet Alpha
(7x Aries-Secundus Class Corvette, 5x Lupus-Class Torpedo Destroyer, 3x Crux-Class Missile Frigate, 1x Libra-class Light Carrier, 2x Taurus-Class Troopship (0/2 SAG Capacity))
-[] Task Fleet Beta (2x Proof of Our New Path Battlecolonies - Heavy Damage)
-[] Scout Fleet Alpha
(4x Circinus-Class Scout Sloop)
-[-] Lamenters Chapter Fleet
(3x Risen Dirge-Class Boarding Ships (Space Marine Troopship))
There is war to be had and battle to be made. Send troops to resolve issues and squash opposition to the Star Child and Humanity and all Their Protectorates. Or send ships to scout neighboring systems to understand what is happening there.
(Gain: Military dispatched to put down opposition violently. Scouts are dispatched to look at other systems.
Scouting Range: 2 Systems from Claimed Systems. Scouting Efficiency: 50%
Note: For use outside your territory or in support of forces specified within another Action.)
[] [Psykana] Conduct a Melody (Choose one below.) (0.0/1 - Auto Complete)
The Celestial Choir has been given the means; with time, they shall conduct their songs. They will listen to the Warp and filter out the false whispers from the slumbering guidance of the Star Child. In halting prayer and stumbling humming, the truth will be stripped until nothing but it remains in the hands of those who shall make it anew into power to be wielded by the Choirs to come.
(Uncovered: Technology.
Secret: Slumber, Silence, Perception, and Grounding.
Star Child: Hope, Compassion, Humanity II, Song III, Mercy, Creativity III, Health, Unity II, Innovation, Machinery, Logic II, Progress, Protection II, Justice, Wisdom, The Sun II, The Home II, Death, Ruthlessness, Brutality, and Fire II.
Kil'drabi: Paths, The Void, Struggle, Community, and Family.
Gain: A Melody newly Conducted.)
[] [Psykana] Sing a Song (Choose at least Three below.)
Mere Melodies are not the end of the journey, nor should they be the start. They are the middle, from which all things shall grow and wither.
(Available: Protection I, Fire I, The Sun I, Humanity I, Creativity II, Song II, The Home I, Logic I, and Unity I.
Gain: A Song.
Sung: Dirge for the Innocent, Bound To The Stars, A Web Of Song.)
[] [Faith] Monuments for Martyrs, Graves for the Forgotten
The Candle Keepers have been fighting the good fight for nearly 250 years, a fourth of a millennium. In this time, thousands have perished to give people hope, security, and a better life and pave the way for those who come after to stride further and with growing security and pride into the great unknown and black abyss shrinking before the light of the Star Child. Within those 250 years, we have fought against a constant barrage of Orks, worshippers of Chaos, and those who tried to turn traitors to their fellow people, with the first of many Xeno Protectorates established, and its people turned into faithful worshippers and adherents to the Droman Creed. Yet, though now temples ring with the sounds of bells and the hymns of choirs signing united, and our systems teem with the faithful eager to build a better future against the coming of the dark, many had to give their lives to reach this point...and many more will follow. Do these people, who are now forever lost to the soil of worlds and the greedy grasp of the void, deserve to be forgotten? Does their memory not deserve to be honored and remembered? They do, and though some bodies shall never be recovered, their names deserve to be carved for eternity. The only question then arises...where should they be carved into? And how grand would these monuments be if we made multiple instead of one?
(Gain: The Candle Keepers discuss how to honor the fallen and the forgotten. Variable Action Cost.)
[] [Faith] Brotherhoods, Sisterhoods, Siblinghoods, And Orders of Faith
It is undeniable that many marching within our military are those most dedicated to spreading the light of the Star Child. Yet, questions have arisen from those seeking to contribute to the liberation of the galaxy, who either failed to enter the military by being too dedicated to the mission and failing to see the objectives that need to be taken or by failing some other criteria. Some of those questions are if it would not be beneficial if some manner of Faith Militant organization or organizations could be created, or allowed to be created, with others asking for a formal creation of Faith Orders to bolster the ranks of the soldiery with those utterly dedicated to the mission, lending strength, surety, and a bulwark against the horrors of the galaxy to all within.
(Gain: Nail down the Faith Militant aspects of the Cult of the Star Child.)
[] [Faith] Psykana Of The Outside And Unknown
Though we use the Celestial Choirs to bind and tame the powers of the Warp to minimize the risks and dangers inherent in the use of the Psykana, it is folly to believe that we are the only ones who have uncovered ways to utilize the Warp amongst the galaxy, or that there is nothing to be learned from Outsiders. Likewise, though there has been currently only one example, we must also consider what to do with the Psykers of Outsiders to the Federation and how we should go about ensuring that those individuals within our Protectorates or Kin are given over or sent to us instead of being utilized in horrific, immoral, or dangerous ways if they aren't outright killed as was the fate of all Kil'drabi Psykers before they began to send them to us to be taught control or executed should they fail and become a risk to themselves and others without sending their souls to the Great Enemy.
(Gain: Nail down the Outsider Psyker and Psykana Use-doctrine aspects of the Cult of the Star Child.)
[] [Chapter] Ships For The Fleet (0.5/3)
With the number of Brothers rising within the Chapter, the ability to deploy them has slipped ever further away. Likewise has the ability of the Glimmerling Shipwrights advanced leaps and bounds, allowing a new Ship to be designed to take advantage of their new-found expertise and for four of them to be created.
(Gain: The Lamenters gain a new Frigate Design and two batches (+1) of it are constructed.)
[] [Other] Take Care Of [Future Or Current Problems]
(Write-In the problem being addressed.)
AN: No new attacks, but your scouts got nearly ganked when they tried to look at what was happening in Brotar. So no updated maps for you.
Protectorate of Neon Vs. Glimmering Federation
10 (4,4,6) vs 10 (4,6) Initial Approach - Neon Ignores the Warnings
10 (4,1,6) vs 10 (5,5) Stealth - Hidden Ships Hidden but Noticed
9 (5,3,4) vs 6 (1,5) Drawing Lines - Neon Neutralizes Tonnage Advantage
7 (1,3,4) vs 12 (6,6) Hidden Ships - Uncovered
6 (6) vs 4 (2,2) Hidden Ship Fight - Neon Stealth Good Order Retreat
11 (6,5) Glimmer Reinforcements - Kil'drabi Able To Intervene, Battlecolonies Join
12 (6,5,6) vs 5 (4,1) Neon Strategic Retreat - Heavy Damage Taken By Federation
7 (2,2,5) vs 2 (1,1) Neon Good Order Retreat- No Damage
We are indescribably fucked. They're rolling 3d6 and this wasn't even their fleet leader. Meanwhile, we get 2d6 in turn, and they tried to do a sneaky-Exterminatus on us, avoided only by the grace of our best rolls of the bunch catching them before they could close in. And even when the Kil'drabi ambushed them, they fought free and didn't lose a single ship, not even Escorts, they didn't even take damage while the Kil'drabi force got mauled.
[] Plan: Batten Down The Hatches
-[] Void Industry VIII
-[] Military Industry III -[] [Military] [Construct/Refit] A Warp Ship - [Choose a Design]
I'll let Alectai or someone else figure out what specific ships we really desperately need, but we need to keep on increasing our Military Industry, and I think we want to move towards VI 10, because a Heavy Cruiser would be a nice surprise to spring on them.
We are indescribably fucked. They're rolling 3d6 and this wasn't even their fleet leader. Meanwhile, we get 2d6 in turn, and they tried to do a sneaky-Exterminatus on us, avoided only by the grace of our best rolls of the bunch catching them before they could close in. And even when the Kil'drabi ambushed them, they fought free and didn't lose a single ship, not even Escorts.
Also they're not rolling 3d6, they're rolling 3d6 drop lowest. That's still not great, but it's slightly better than it could be.
And the Kil'drabi ships, as far as I can tell, were not fully upgraded to our standards yet. They *will* be after the repair, because there's no way that a repair won't also be a refit.
who wants to bet allot of those people are going to get shot and forced to fight again? we really need to beef up the defenses...and get some ship production going.
It was called out that they don't actually have access to trained gunners.
Fuck me, you're right, it's best 2 out of three. Not as bad, but still, these are explicitly green crew, and they still get B2o3.
They're just Inherently Better at Fighting by way of Being Dogmatic Shitheads. That the greenest conscript gunner is still a crack shot compared to our best and brightest.
Honestly, we should do some more Void Industry as well. MI and VI would pair together well for a build-up, and we can add a few more ships. Because we succeeded in keeping them from taking Itani, we now have full SAGs set up for all of our worlds/systems... though we didn't get to vote on the specifics, tbh.
Honestly, we should do some more Void Industry as well. MI and VI would pair together well for a build-up, and we can add a few more ships. Because we succeeded in keeping them from taking Itani, we now have full SAGs set up for all of our worlds/systems... though we didn't get to vote on the specifics, tbh.
A few more ships won't be enough. We don't have a actual count of the ships that the Neon sent at us and with that fucking stealth we don't know what else they have.
A few more ships won't be enough. We don't have a actual count of the ships that the Neon sent at us and with that fucking stealth we don't know what else they have.
Oh sure, it won't be enough on its own, but we do in fact need to increase Void Industry and Military Industry if we want to fight a sustained war.
We're going to be adding ships to our fleet every turn for the next while, but forgetting that we have things that increase our baseline capacity to do war (and design ships) right now would be a potentially fatal mistake.
We also apparently got zero intel beyond "Yes, they have very, very good stealth craft, and yes, they are absolutely solidly Dogmatic, as even a green-as-grass crew outskills us just by being Dogmatic"
And the Kil'drabi ships, as far as I can tell, were not fully upgraded to our standards yet. They *will* be after the repair, because there's no way that a repair won't also be a refit.
What it didn't struggle to classify were the dozens of macro-cannon shells already flying against her Cobras, clusters of missiles racing after those with elan she would have found admirable...
I think they are upgraded, since they're using Macrocannons and Missiles instead of Railguns now. But maybe they just don't have good enough armor yet.
