HeroCooky
Unverified Monstergirl
It hasn't, but the majority of DP will now be gained via Designing ships, losing ships, and studying better desings of ships that aren't fueled by Gretchin-tape, paint, and Warp Bullshit.
Sterbelicht - One Sacrifice At A Time Against The Galaxy (40K)
- Thread starter HeroCooky
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Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Ah, so we've hit the point of DR gained from Pure Infrastructure. Thanks for clearing that up.
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251.M42 - Creating The Navy
HeroCooky
Unverified Monstergirl
With the pause in offensive hostilities against the Orks, the minds of the various Councils and military leaders turn toward the only sensible path forward: creating the navy might that will see the next offensive the last one, if possible, against the local Orks.
Though the Candle Keepers do not lack any soldiers now, their ranks swelling with volunteers beyond what could reasonably be transported, the void is a wholly different nature, as Task Fleet Alpha has taken a rather harsh trashing and will, momentarily, rely on the native SDFs of the three systems to bear the brunt of any probing attacks.
With the rest of the governmental bodies of the Candle Keepers agreeing to invest in the creation of new designs to be fielded against the Orks, and the need to then produce them in sufficient quantities to carry the offensive, those immersed in the mysteries and secrets of the Omnissiah and the Motive Force begin to draft and create the various ships which will become the mainstay of the fleets for possibly a millenia to come.
The military would like to remind those designers to consider that scout ships will be used to fly in advance of the fleet and gather information in the systems surrounding the Candle Keepers and do not take active military resources to do so. They should be quick and able to survive surprise attacks, but they should not be expensive to build. If possible, the absolute lowest possible expenditure should be considered here.
Design Competition.
(6-Hour Moratorium)
[] [Write-In 1 Scout, 1 Destroyer, 1 Frigate]
Though the Candle Keepers do not lack any soldiers now, their ranks swelling with volunteers beyond what could reasonably be transported, the void is a wholly different nature, as Task Fleet Alpha has taken a rather harsh trashing and will, momentarily, rely on the native SDFs of the three systems to bear the brunt of any probing attacks.
With the rest of the governmental bodies of the Candle Keepers agreeing to invest in the creation of new designs to be fielded against the Orks, and the need to then produce them in sufficient quantities to carry the offensive, those immersed in the mysteries and secrets of the Omnissiah and the Motive Force begin to draft and create the various ships which will become the mainstay of the fleets for possibly a millenia to come.
The military would like to remind those designers to consider that scout ships will be used to fly in advance of the fleet and gather information in the systems surrounding the Candle Keepers and do not take active military resources to do so. They should be quick and able to survive surprise attacks, but they should not be expensive to build. If possible, the absolute lowest possible expenditure should be considered here.
Design Competition.
(6-Hour Moratorium)
[] [Write-In 1 Scout, 1 Destroyer, 1 Frigate]
Current Available DP: 6
[] [Destroyer] Class Name
-[] Sketch (Purely Optional)
-[] Length - 1.200/1.300/1.400/1.500/1.600 Meters
-[] Width - 200/250/300/350/400 Meters
-[] Acceleration - 6/6.5/7/7.5/8 Gravities
-[] Armor - Outer Coating/Thin Single Hull/Single Hull/Thick Single Hull/Thin Double Hull
-[] Shields - None/Singular Emitter/Two Emitters/Three Emitters/One Array
-[] Weapons - (Write-In, Example: Type/Mounting.)
-[] Equipment - (Write-In, Example: #1, #2, #3.)
Current Available DP: 8
[] [Frigate] Class Name
-[] Sketch (Purely Optional)
-[] Length - 1.600/1.700/1.800/1.900/2.000 Meters
-[] Width - 350/400/450/500/550 Meters
-[] Acceleration - 5/5.5/6/6.5/7 Gravities
-[] Armor - Thin Single Hull/Single Hull/Thick Single Hull/Thin Double Hull/Medium Double Hull
-[] Shields - Singular Emitter/Two Emitters/Three Emitters/One Array/Two Arrays
-[] Weapons - (Write-In, Example: Type/Mounting.)
-[] Equipment - (Write-In, Example: #1, #2, #3.)
[] [Destroyer] Class Name
-[] Sketch (Purely Optional)
-[] Length - 1.200/1.300/1.400/1.500/1.600 Meters
-[] Width - 200/250/300/350/400 Meters
-[] Acceleration - 6/6.5/7/7.5/8 Gravities
-[] Armor - Outer Coating/Thin Single Hull/Single Hull/Thick Single Hull/Thin Double Hull
-[] Shields - None/Singular Emitter/Two Emitters/Three Emitters/One Array
-[] Weapons - (Write-In, Example: Type/Mounting.)
-[] Equipment - (Write-In, Example: #1, #2, #3.)
Current Available DP: 8
[] [Frigate] Class Name
-[] Sketch (Purely Optional)
-[] Length - 1.600/1.700/1.800/1.900/2.000 Meters
-[] Width - 350/400/450/500/550 Meters
-[] Acceleration - 5/5.5/6/6.5/7 Gravities
-[] Armor - Thin Single Hull/Single Hull/Thick Single Hull/Thin Double Hull/Medium Double Hull
-[] Shields - Singular Emitter/Two Emitters/Three Emitters/One Array/Two Arrays
-[] Weapons - (Write-In, Example: Type/Mounting.)
-[] Equipment - (Write-In, Example: #1, #2, #3.)
- Location
- London
Do we have a scout template?
HeroCooky
Unverified Monstergirl
Yes, the lowest possible design that won't fall apart if someone looks at it wrong is sought here.
Those are Destroyers, the smallest ship you can build with a Warp Engine and Gellar Field.
Crafter of War
The Dorf
- Location
- Bend
Hang on, did our baseline improve?
This is from M111.
And this is the how it looks now. Our destroyers start with their base acceleration and shields at a step higher. That's cool.
so wait the GEC and SGEC are 1 dp, and OBSG and ESG are 1 DP, can we assume the GEC and OBSG are free due to the doctrine or do they still cost 1 DP?
- Location
- London
[] [Scout] Hermes
-[] Length - 1.200 (+2DP)
-[] Width - 200 (+2DP)
-[] Acceleration - 8 Gravities (-1DP)
-[] Armor - Single Hull
-[] Shields - Two Emitters (+1DP)
-[] Weapons - Light Lances (-2DP)
-[] Equipment - Superior Gravimetric Engine Calculations, Enhanced Supply Generation and Emergency Maneuver Engines (-3DP)
Leftover DP: 5
If we want to keep the expenses down on the scout ships then I believe this may be a viable option. It doesn't use up all of the DP required and will perform well as a speedy and manoeuvrable scout ship.
Rationale: This is a small ship that is nevertheless capable of moving extremely quickly and is capable of going on missions for extended periods of time. I decided to bite the bullet with the Light Lances because frankly a scout ship shouldn't be in a fight to begin with, thus being able to engage from the longest range possible is a boon.
-[] Length - 1.200 (+2DP)
-[] Width - 200 (+2DP)
-[] Acceleration - 8 Gravities (-1DP)
-[] Armor - Single Hull
-[] Shields - Two Emitters (+1DP)
-[] Weapons - Light Lances (-2DP)
-[] Equipment - Superior Gravimetric Engine Calculations, Enhanced Supply Generation and Emergency Maneuver Engines (-3DP)
Leftover DP: 5
If we want to keep the expenses down on the scout ships then I believe this may be a viable option. It doesn't use up all of the DP required and will perform well as a speedy and manoeuvrable scout ship.
Rationale: This is a small ship that is nevertheless capable of moving extremely quickly and is capable of going on missions for extended periods of time. I decided to bite the bullet with the Light Lances because frankly a scout ship shouldn't be in a fight to begin with, thus being able to engage from the longest range possible is a boon.
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Crafter of War
The Dorf
- Location
- Bend
Legion0047
Retired Shadowrunner.
- Location
- Austria
- Pronouns
- God Emperor
that surprises me, ngl
Ah, we didn't uptech, its out doctrine making them better, while debuffing armour on dedicated carriers.
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Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
-[] [Scout] Circinus-class Scout Sloop
--[] Length - 1.200 Meters (+2 DP)
--[] Width - 250 Meters (+1 DP)
--[] Acceleration - 8 Gravities (-1 DP)
--[] Armor - Single Hull
--[] Shields - Three Emitters
--[] Weapons - 2x Light Missile Batteries (-2 DP)
--[] Equipment - Superior Gravimetric Engine Calculations (-1 DP), Emergency Maneuver Engines (-1 DP), Missile Swarms (-1 DP)
RATIONALE: The 'Compass' that guides us. The Circinus has absolutely no business in a battle line, but makes up for this by having the highest mobility that Candle-Keeper Science can muster. It has the ability to investigate regions, to outrun and outmaneuver anything that can threaten it--and if worse comes to worse, pack one hell of a punch to break through a blockade before its defenses are depleted and its reduced mass begins to tell. Costs only 3 DP, which is half of our maximum for a Destroyer, but I couldn't think of ways to shave off any more mass safely--even a scout craft might need to punch through a cordon to get real data back home, and for that, a terrifying alpha-strike potential is necessary.
There's not much point for the foreseeable future for us to have Enhanced Supply, as we're limited to adjacent territories anyway.
--[] Length - 1.200 Meters (+2 DP)
--[] Width - 250 Meters (+1 DP)
--[] Acceleration - 8 Gravities (-1 DP)
--[] Armor - Single Hull
--[] Shields - Three Emitters
--[] Weapons - 2x Light Missile Batteries (-2 DP)
--[] Equipment - Superior Gravimetric Engine Calculations (-1 DP), Emergency Maneuver Engines (-1 DP), Missile Swarms (-1 DP)
RATIONALE: The 'Compass' that guides us. The Circinus has absolutely no business in a battle line, but makes up for this by having the highest mobility that Candle-Keeper Science can muster. It has the ability to investigate regions, to outrun and outmaneuver anything that can threaten it--and if worse comes to worse, pack one hell of a punch to break through a blockade before its defenses are depleted and its reduced mass begins to tell. Costs only 3 DP, which is half of our maximum for a Destroyer, but I couldn't think of ways to shave off any more mass safely--even a scout craft might need to punch through a cordon to get real data back home, and for that, a terrifying alpha-strike potential is necessary.
There's not much point for the foreseeable future for us to have Enhanced Supply, as we're limited to adjacent territories anyway.
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Legion0047
Retired Shadowrunner.
- Location
- Austria
- Pronouns
- God Emperor
Maybe change one of the missiles for torpedos to be useful in larger battles?
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
So the actual effects of this doctrine choice are...
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
We have absolutely no business deploying dedicated scout-ships in a battle line. The Circinus-class exists to run away from a fight--or if it absolutely cannot avoid one, to pick the point of least resistance and punch through. Anything else would require greater expense than we can afford.
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Legion0047
Retired Shadowrunner.
- Location
- Austria
- Pronouns
- God Emperor
thats not what i said
HeroCooky
Unverified Monstergirl
That is due to your Doctrine.
That is due to your Doctrine. DP cost cannot be lower than 1.
You have better shipyards, so you can do better, but more expensive, things thanks to them. You won't lose access if you lose levels, unlocked things stay unlocked.
Voting closed, we are onto the next turn.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
No, but you did say "Why not give it torpedoes so it has a use in larger battles."
The Circinus costs half the DP of a standard Destroyer. It shouldn't be used in larger battles.
just asking cause i dont know, but can hangers be used to extend the range we can scout things out?