The core issue is that the degree of this isn't articulated or dramatised. We're just given a blanket statement that these two types of love are forbidden. We also lack a real demonstration of what Lucas meant by an encouragement to love. For that matter, we see little compassion from the old Jedi; there are remarkably few Pet the Dog moments in the PT a la Rey with BB-8 in the Prequels.The no attachments idea always as more Buddhist that anything, was this even a full on clear rule? Basically attachments cause suffering because you want keep them by any means necessary. Mind you I've come to believe certain groups of Jedi and Sith basically adhered to a similar exclusion of relationships for the same reason avoiding 'pain' especially since some Sith could see attachments as a weakness, while with the Jedi is to avoid suffering and possibly going down the dark side.
Padmé might very well be bound by rules though? She's pretty much Anakin's boss, and there might be anti-fraternisation rules. Their secret relationship could be seen as an undisclosed conflict of interest, which could be a scandal big enough to end her career. In RotS she does speak about how the queen might not allow her to continue as a senator when the news about her pregnancy gets out.If only any of this had been clear from just watching the films. For that matter, I still find it odd that Padme's the one being all "we shouldn't do this" when she's not bound by any rules.
Maybe, I guess (though again, it wouldn't hurt to actually dramatise that dynamic). It's also entirely possible that the romance arc is just so bloody dull that I take against just about every element.Padmé might very well be bound by rules though? She's pretty much Anakin's boss, and their might be anti-fraternisation rules. Their secret relationship could be seen as an undisclosed conflict of interest, which could be a scandal big enough to end her career. In RotS she does speak about how the queen might not allow her to continue as a senator when the news about her pregnancy gets out.
The Jedi of the Prequel era seemed pretty busy just keeping the Republic in semi-functioning order. The intro scroll to AotC even states that due to the Separatists they're pretty much already spread too thin (pre-war). Them being part of the Republic is what gives them the legitimate authority they have, it's why we see them be negotiators in tPM, but it is of course a trade-off. But even beyond that the Republic clearly has no interest in rocking the boat, the Jedi alone aren't really enough to fix the problem of Hutt space.As for the Jedi Order, the issue with the Jedi Order is that basically their tied to Republic politics to a hilt. What the best alternative is who can really say. I've toyed with the idea multiple Jedi splinter groups with one being well the Red Jedi, as Jedi more devoted to the common people than generally protecting the Republic and maybe investigating some incident or another. But the Prequel Jedi basically seemed to be worried this about vague threat from the Dark Side while the Republic seemed to rot within or at least member worlds did. As for the Jedi not ending slavery what should do then, just let it be because it is outside of Republic jurisdiction?
Okay with Dooku, why would he want to go back to a Jedi Order or even a Republic that has simply failed him? The separatists had genuine believers for a reason, and while I'm not sure how genuine it was with Dooku but he had his grievances that it was more than just falling to the Dark Side. While there are some really overblown criticisms of the Jedi, I don't think that means there's no justifiable case for reform. Especially if you want to argue that the Jedi being at times too detached may have left Anakin without a good support network, especially if some Jedi might not understand the average person.
The romance is awkward, I do agree on that. But I also think it works, because Anakin really is just letting these emotions take him over and a big part of the problem is that he doesn't want to fight his feelings or hold them back, he wants to let them consume him.Maybe, I guess (though again, it wouldn't hurt to actually dramatise that dynamic). It's also entirely possible that the romance arc is just so bloody dull that I take against just about every element.
The arc isn't helped at all by the fact that it comes without any subtext. It's all We Are In Love and It Is Forbidden and How Can I Fight These Feelings That I Feel So Much?
I mean, I've read some ancillary materials and this forum is the first place I've ever heard that spoken of.On the question of whether or not Jedi are allowed to have sex, we can definitively know that at least one Jedi is legally required to have sex: Kid-Adi-Mundi, whose species is endangered and who has his own actual harem.
Do you have a list of actionable proposals for reform?The Prequel Jedi Order most definitely wasn't fine and certainly needed reform
I will forever Stan the novelizationPersonally I am of the headcanon that republic forces would also include non-clone auxiliary volunteers, not that much material even considers the possibility.
In any case I am now halfway through the Revenge of the Sith novelization. And it is so much better than the movie like it was hyped up to be around here. For instance, people often praise the opera scene as one of the good parts in the movie. I don't think it is, but the book actually builds on earlier events when Anakin and Palprine talk, and Palpatine takes his time to lead Anakin on before he dangles the tale of Darth Plaugious in front of Anakin.
It's additions like that which makes the book a far more compelling version of the story we got in the movie.
I remember being startled at how flat so many sequences were in the film, because the novelisation gave them a real sense of urgency and pace. Like, for the longest time my brain thought we'd have Anakin sprinting to Palpatine's office.
Having them at least be young adults before they have to decide that a life of service, potentially very dangerous service at that, is what they want.Do you have a list of actionable proposals for reform?
Preferably in the form of:
- Attribute
- Why that attribute is a problem
- Replacement attribute
The Return of the Jedi novelization is pretty nice. Not as amazing as the RotS one, but pretty good in its own right.
Does it do much with Boba Fett? Cos there are two particular beats I always thought he should've had in that film (and having been thinking about Phasma's use, I've had him on my mind).The Return of the Jedi novelization is pretty nice. Not as amazing as the RotS one, but pretty good in its own right.
Not that I remember, no.Does it do much with Boba Fett? Cos there are two particular beats I always thought he should've had in that film (and having been thinking about Phasma's use, I've had him on my mind).
I've heard bits of that take and honestly prefer it to what we got in a lot of ways.Not that I remember, no.
Mostly what it brings to the table is an expanded look on Luke's inner struggles through the events of the movie. I also remember it for laying out the basics of Palpatine's rise to power despite being penned a long time before the Prequels ever made it to the screen.
What I remember was barebones enough to not really contradict the Prequel take on events. The novelization just states that the Empire was once the Republic, until Palpatine subverted it from within. The details are vague. It's mainly done to establish Palpatine as formidably intelligent, to raise the stakes for Luke confronting him.I've heard bits of that take and honestly prefer it to what we got in a lot of ways.
I was thinking about the "Senate was about to impeach Palpatine" thing.What I remember was barebones enough to not really contradict the Prequel take on events. The novelization just states that the Empire was once the Republic, until Palpatine subverted it from within. The details are vague. It's mainly done to establish Palpatine as formidably intelligent, to raise the stakes for Luke confronting him.
I haven't read them. I would however recommend Dark Rendevouz and Shatterpoint. They are great books and also great looks into two masters of the order
Having them at least be young adults before they have to decide that a life of service, potentially very dangerous service at that, is what they want.
Palpatine's rise to power was laid out before Return of the Jedi: the people of the Republic didn't care enough to elect competent officials.Not that I remember, no.
Mostly what it brings to the table is an expanded look on Luke's inner struggles through the events of the movie. I also remember it for laying out the basics of Palpatine's rise to power despite being penned a long time before the Prequels ever made it to the screen.
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But eventually the citizens of the Republic "didn't care enough to elect competent officials", says Lucas the historian, and so their government collapsed. A sorcerer, a bad counterpart of Yoda, blocked all opposition and declared himself Emperor