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Springtime of Nations II: A European Republic Quest

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By voter request, I have updated the options for Serbia and Romania. Romania's is just a wording change, but Serbia's has new content. Please adjust your plans accordingly.
 
[] Plan Sellout
-[] We will build a federation of equals.
-[] We accept the Montenegrin request for Kotor.
-[] We accept the Serbian request for Bosnia.
-[] We decline the Romanian request.

This way we keep the Danube and screw Romania. Sorry Istria. Actually, on second thought, I don't really see a reason to give them Dalmatia. We aren't losing points this way at least.
 
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[] Plan: Preparing for Sister Republics
-[] We will build a community of nations.
-[] We accept the Montenegrin request for Kotor.
-[] We decline the Serbian request.
-[] We decline the Romanian request.

I prefer to see the former Habsburg territories broken up into state we can influence, which means keeping up influence and not giving major parts away to Serbia and Romania. Rather not reward Montenegro for intervening against us, but Kotor isn't worth 2 influence.
 
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Montenegrin Expeditionary Force returns home after successfully losing the Great Eastern War. Zero casualties sustained. Nation expects to receive territorial concessions for its lack of a role in the conflict.
 
Nevis said:
This way we keep the Danube and screw Romania. Sorry Istria.
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I'm not sure what the strategic thinking here is regarding the importance of the Danube. Controlling the river I do agree would be a great boon but we lose command of the river by the time it reaches Belgrade at least and once it reaches Wallachia both sides of the river are beyond our influence. We will not gain the command of the Black Sea access in this conference no matter what options we take. I think giving Dalmatia to Serbia is a much greater boon to the Serbs and will give them the ability to align with the Entente far easier than if they have to rely on us for overseas shipping and supply. We can make Serbia an ally by semi-coercion here and they will thank us for it.
 
Remember people that the true enemy is the Entente. Anything we can do to deprive them footholds in the Balkans to establish another front should be pursued. I don't see the need to appease Romania, since they're likely to fall into civil strife anyways, but Serbia isn't and never has been hostile to us. I'd rather save the 2 leverage from denying Serbia to put into other stuff.
 
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[] Plan Danubian control for Bosnia
-[] We will build a federation of equals.
-[] We accept the Montenegrin request for Kotor.
-[] We accept the Serbian request for Bosnia.
-[] We decline the Romanian request.

I'm not sure how willing I am to give Serbia Dalmatia but I don't mind giving them Bosnia if we keep the Danube from going through them.
 
I rather build a federation of equals while also carving up some land to win over Montenegro, Serbia, and Romania. I didn't want to invite them in the first place, but they're here now, so we might as well throw some territory their way to get influence and win them over. We should deny Serbia a coastline at least so they're somewhat dependent on us or merging with Montenegro. I would like to try to keep some sort of big Hungary and Croatia if possible.
 
Fingon888 said:
[] Plan: The National Principle
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I agree with most of the diplomacy suggested here, except that I'm a bit concerned about the prestige that might accrue to the Romanian and Serbian monarchs if they successfully secure such large territorial gains for no cost (and the Montenegrin one too if Kotor is significant enough for them to write home about).
 
Kirook said:
I agree with most of the diplomacy suggested here, except that I'm a bit concerned about the prestige that might accrue to the Romanian and Serbian monarchs if they successfully secure such large territorial gains for no cost.
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Serbia is unlikely to fall into any sort of civil war against it's monarch, and by the time we need to deal with Serbia's monarchy issue, it'll likely be decades from now, after dealing with the Entente. That bit of prestige will likely wear off over time.
 
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Fingon888 said:
I'm not sure what the strategic thinking here is regarding the importance of the Danube. Controlling the river I do agree would be a great boon but we lose command of the river by the time it reaches Belgrade at least and once it reaches Wallachia both sides of the river are beyond our influence. We will not gain the command of the Black Sea access in this conference no matter what options we take. I think giving Dalmatia to Serbia is a much greater boon to the Serbs and will give them the ability to align with the Entente far easier than if they have to rely on us for overseas shipping and supply. We can make Serbia an ally by semi-coercion here and they will thank us for it.
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The idea is that by screwing over Romania we are destabalising them so that we can exploit a revolution. I take your point about Dalmatia and I am no longer giving them that, though I expect Bosnia to still have that tiny sliver of coast at least. I did not think that Serbia had Belgrade right now, because of the map, but you're probably right that they do. Regardless, we can find a way around it.
 
[] Plan: Petting Zoo
-[] We will build a community of nations.
-[] We accept the Montenegrin request for Kotor.
-[] We accept the Serbian request for Vojvodina and Bosnia.
-[] We decline the Romanian request.

Think this looks good. We'll be getting Montenegro and Serbia into our petting zoo of nations. :V
 
01paradox01 said:
[] Plan: Petting Zoo
-[] We will build a community of nations.
-[] We accept the Montenegrin request for Kotor.
-[] We accept the Serbian request for Vojvodina and Bosnia.
-[] We decline the Romanian request.

Think this looks good. We'll be getting Montenegro and Serbia into our petting zoo of nations. :V
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We won't be able to demand that they become republics, let alone radical ones, so we can hope that they will be neutral at best.
 
[] Get out Romania, you picked the wrong side
-[] We will build a community of nations.
-[] We accept the Montenegrin request for Kotor.
-[] We accept the Serbian request for Bosnia.
-[] We decline the Romanian request.

I don't think we need to do mega-Serbia to get them to talk to us, and Romania still has a Habsburg monarch so it can stay out. Also leaning towards making a bunch of sister republics because who wouldn't want to draw borders in the Balkans! If they're small enough they'll be very reliant on allied supranational structures, which will be interesting going forward.
 
Drieder said:
Giving them territory would destabilize them more as they would have to spread less resources over more ground. Thereby making a revolution easier.
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The general argument on the Discord, which makes sense to me, is that the king will be able to sell the territorial gains of the war as a great success, making the war worth it, and this will quell the discontent in Romania right now.
 
Fingon888 said:
Even if Romania goes into the arms of the Entente this serves our purpose because it isolates Bulgaria and cuts the Bulgarians off from the Russians overland, forcing the Russians to supply the Bulgarians only via the Black Sea.
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Russia will be joining, or at least aligning with, the Entente after this war. There is no Imperial League left to cut in half, the Alliance has one enemy now, the Entente, and it is imperative we weaken them as much as possible now that they border us to both our west and soon, our east.
 
01paradox01 said:
[] Plan: Petting Zoo
-[] We will build a community of nations.
-[] We accept the Montenegrin request for Kotor.
-[] We accept the Serbian request for Vojvodina and Bosnia.
-[] We decline the Romanian request.

Think this looks good. We'll be getting Montenegro and Serbia into our petting zoo of nations. :V
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I still think satisfying the Romanians is a good idea, but this plan is something I would support if no one agrees with me on that. It secures the major foreign policy objective of getting a Serbian alliance in the future while preventing Serbia from becoming too powerful.
 
[] Plan: Sister Federations and Land Bribes
-[] We will build a federation of equals.
-[] We accept the Montenegrin request for Kotor.
-[] We accept the Serbian request for Vojvodina and Bosnia.
-[] We accept the Romanian request in full.

This is near identical to Fingon's plan, however we build federation of equals out of Croatia, Hungary, and Slovakia. It'll give us a sister republic with more heft to it, access to the sea, and discourage ethnic tensions. I didn't want the Balkans to be invited but they're here now, so we need to throw them some land or else it's a deliberate diplomatic snub.
 
I really don't think we need to give Serbia two of its three demands. One to not get negative relations, sure, but they're asking for a lot here.
 
Nevis said:
[] Plan Sellout
-[] We will build a federation of equals.
-[] We accept the Montenegrin request for Kotor.
-[] We accept the Serbian request for Bosnia.
-[] We decline the Romanian request.

This way we keep the Danube and screw Romania. Sorry Istria. Actually, on second thought, I don't really see a reason to give them Dalmatia. We aren't losing points this way at least.
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Tentatively in favor of this plan. "Federation of equals," to my mind, is the only way to get a single Alliance-aligned state controlling the Danube from Pressburg to Orsova; giving Bosnia to Serbia maintains decent relations with it so that we can have easy passage through Belgrade (that is, without having to take the city), while also preserving Dalmatia for an Illyrian Republic (read: Big Istria) that can choke Serbia's sea access if we need to apply leverage. Giving Montenegro Kotor costs us nothing we care about - except the principle of not awarding League states with territory (even the expanded sea access is about as susceptible to blockade or land incursion as Bosnia's coast). Which is worth the -2 Leverage with respect to Romania, but maybe not so much with respect to Montenegro (which didn't even field an army).

EDIT: as for why we might want Vojvodina? One, if we're keeping Banat (and we are, it's not going to Romania), the border looks prettier; two, it's easier to canal around northern Belgrade from the Danube to the Danube than it is to canal through all of Banat from the Mures to the lower Danube.
 
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