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Springtime of Nations II: A European Republic Quest

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[x] Cooperative Party
-[x] Plan The Mutualist Tendency
--[x] Break up the new nationalized businesses by turning them into cooperatives.
--[x] Reform the civil service so positions are chosen by sortition, in order to prevent an entrenched bureaucratic class.
--[x] Discontinue the creation of labour vouchers.
--[x] Increase the basic income payout, and balance the budget by decreasing military spending.
--[x] Ultimately if one merely breaks up hierarchies between institutions but leaves them within them, the job is not even half done. Begin pilot programs experimenting with less hierarchical organization within school, and with alternate means of teaching than the more traditional rote learning so common even in good schools.
--[x] Set up cooperation between farmers, biology researchers and tooling engineers to continually improve on agriculture, fishing and land management.
 
Parzival said:
[x] Cooperative Party
-[x] Plan The Mutualist Tendency
--[x] Break up the new nationalized businesses by turning them into cooperatives.
--[x] Reform the civil service so positions are chosen by sortition, in order to prevent an entrenched bureaucratic class.
--[x] Discontinue the creation of labour vouchers.
--[x] Increase the basic income payout, and balance the budget by decreasing military spending.
--[x] Ultimately if one merely breaks up hierarchies between institutions but leaves them within them, the job is not even half done. Begin pilot programs experimenting with less hierarchical organization within school, and with alternate means of teaching than the more traditional rote learning so common even in good schools.
--[x] Set up cooperation between farmers, biology researchers and tooling engineers to continually improve on agriculture, fishing and land management.
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What "new nationalized businesses"? Did I miss a turn where we nationalized coops? Do you want to put the electric grid on the market?
 
[X] The Radical Party
-[x] The Goal is a World of Sister Republics
--[x]Continue to expand and arm the network of Polish revolutionaries. Assure them, and skeptical Poles doing organic work, that the new Germany will support them in actions against Russian tyranny.
--[x] Provide covert arms and advisors to support the revolutionaries in Korea.
--[x] Utilizing experience gained from building our first run of major warships, order a new run of improved warships for operations in the Baltic, as well as a couple of ocean going capital ships for more experience. These will be for our navy, not some foreign sale scheme.
--[x] Promote public speakers and community organizers in expat communities who wish to free their homelands as independent republics on the German model, rather than an all consuming world republic.
--[x] Organize extensive and regular cultural exchange programs with our allies to showcase the great potential of separate republics working together.
--[x] Create a formal naval academy to institutionalize the information and experience we will gain through the utilization of our new navy.
 
Nyvis said:
What "new nationalized businesses"? Did I miss a turn where we nationalized coops? Do you want to put the electric grid on the market?
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Nationalized businesses are inherently anti-socialist, Nyvis. While it is true that coops have not yet been nationalized, the current Communist government has been aggressive in ensuring that new sectors of the economy have been put under State control. It is vital that we reverse this trend.
 
[X] The Radical Party
-[x] The Goal is a World of Sister Republics
--[x]Continue to expand and arm the network of Polish revolutionaries. Assure them, and skeptical Poles doing organic work, that the new Germany will support them in actions against Russian tyranny.
--[x] Provide covert arms and advisors to support the revolutionaries in Korea.
--[x] Utilizing experience gained from building our first run of major warships, order a new run of improved warships for operations in the Baltic, as well as a couple of ocean going capital ships for more experience. These will be for our navy, not some foreign sale scheme.
--[x] Promote public speakers and community organizers in expat communities who wish to free their homelands as independent republics on the German model, rather than an all consuming world republic.
--[x] Organize extensive and regular cultural exchange programs with our allies to showcase the great potential of separate republics working together.
--[x] Create a formal naval academy to institutionalize the information and experience we will gain through the utilization of our new navy.
 
[x] Communist Party
-[x] Plan: The Communist Party Unity Program of 1895
--[x] Further build out electrical and communications infrastructure under state ownership in accordance with a central plan incorporating local input, while improving the productivity of state and cooperative mines and fabricators to support the build-out.
--[x] Offer the United States support to recover from and reform in the aftermath of its depression: low-interest loans from the International Development Bank to the states, and no-interest loans to the federal government; buyouts of failing business by German cooperatives offering American workers equal shares in the amalgamated firms allowing them to maintain their jobs; and model legislation on railway nationalization.
--[x] Continue funding the military infrastructure and fortification program. In this stage emphasis should be on expanding and fortifying logistical nodes and axes of movement supporting third-line and interior positions.
--[x] Embark on a renewed program of naval expansion, aiming at command of the Baltic Sea by matching or exceeding the tonnage of the combined Russian Baltic, and Scandinavian, fleets.
--[x] Recognize the Jeonju government as the government of Korea with sovereign authority to maintain, repudiate, or renegotiate its international obligations; and invite such elements of its leadership as accept the International Revolutionary Association's membership criteria to apply to that body for affiliation, with attendant benefits.
--[x] Support efforts to raise socialist and republican consciousness and capabilities, particularly in the Russian Empire and Scandinavia. Special emphasis is to be given toward mobilizing groups who are structurally oppressed (e.g. women, national and religious minorities, impoverished laborers).
 
[x] Communist Party
-[x] Plan: The Communist Party Unity Program of 1895
--[x] Further build out electrical and communications infrastructure under state ownership in accordance with a central plan incorporating local input, while improving the productivity of state and cooperative mines and fabricators to support the build-out.
--[x] Offer the United States support to recover from and reform in the aftermath of its depression: low-interest loans from the International Development Bank to the states, and no-interest loans to the federal government; buyouts of failing business by German cooperatives offering American workers equal shares in the amalgamated firms allowing them to maintain their jobs; and model legislation on railway nationalization.
--[x] Continue funding the military infrastructure and fortification program. In this stage emphasis should be on expanding and fortifying logistical nodes and axes of movement supporting third-line and interior positions.
--[x] Embark on a renewed program of naval expansion, aiming at command of the Baltic Sea by matching or exceeding the tonnage of the combined Russian Baltic, and Scandinavian, fleets.
--[x] Recognize the Jeonju government as the government of Korea with sovereign authority to maintain, repudiate, or renegotiate its international obligations; and invite such elements of its leadership as accept the International Revolutionary Association's membership criteria to apply to that body for affiliation, with attendant benefits.
--[x] Support efforts to raise socialist and republican consciousness and capabilities, particularly in the Russian Empire and Scandinavia. Special emphasis is to be given toward mobilizing groups who are structurally oppressed (e.g. women, national and religious minorities, impoverished laborers).
 
Parzival said:
Nationalized businesses are inherently anti-socialist, Nyvis. While it is true that coops have not yet been nationalized, the current Communist government has been aggressive in ensuring that new sectors of the economy have been put under State control. It is vital that we reverse this trend.
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we were quite pointedly excluded from the current government, so accusing us of causing what you perceive to be a bad result is quite some fearmongering.
 
Parzival said:
Nationalized businesses are inherently anti-socialist, Nyvis.
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Common property, democratically planned, is inherently anti-socialist! When it both requires and incentivizes sociability and cooperation! When private property, corporate property, chafes at planning and promotes its own special interest at every moment! What new absurdities will the epistles of private property, of the ruins of the old society, come out with next!
 
Parzival said:
Nationalized businesses are inherently anti-socialist, Nyvis. While it is true that coops have not yet been nationalized, the current Communist government has been aggressive in ensuring that new sectors of the economy have been put under State control. It is vital that we reverse this trend.
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There's no current communist government. It's fine to do a bit but let's not just lie about the update?
 
Whenyouseeyou said:
Oh boy the feds and radicals are low
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Uh, we are not even 4 hours in, it's too soon to start calling things now.

[x] Cooperative Party
-[x] Plan Cooperative Buyouts
--[x] Build up our telecommunications network to reach every local town hall, planning office and production sites. Leverage those new communications to enable more participative planning, both for identifying demand and fulfilling it.
--[x] Establish communally operated and owned "libraries" of goods that do not need to be owned by individuals but can instead be shared to improve everyone's access to uncommon goods.
--[x] Increase the secret provision of funding, arms and ideological support to the rebels in Korea, using pre-existing channels and with an emphasis on keeping the revolt anti-monarchist and truly revolutionary. Cooperate with Chinese and Japanese covert efforts if they exist to the extent it doesn't undermine revolutionary ideals.
--[x] Offer to help support the US in its trying time. Buy out failing businesses to cooperatize them, as part of our coop federations if possible or simply under their American workers if not. Offer no interest loans to the US Federal Government and sympathetic State Governments if they adopt our legal forms concerning coop organizational recognition.
--[x] Ultimately if one merely breaks up hierarchies between institutions but leaves them within them, the job is not even half done. Begin pilot programs experimenting with less hierarchical organization within school, and with alternate means of teaching than the more traditional rote learning so common even in good schools.
--[x] Set up cooperation between farmers, biology researchers and tooling engineers to continually improve on agriculture, fishing and land management. Aim to produce long term planning for sustainability and preservation of nature alongside production.

I currently don't have too much brainpower left, so I just going to vote for leading coop plan.

...Although, wasn't durable good libraries already a thing?
 
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...Although, doesn't we already have durable good libraries?
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No, we have regular libraries but despite multiple attempts at passing the plank, we don't have tools libraries. The plank might be a bit too vague to indicate which gap it's filling though, that's my fault for not checking when I copied it and it's a bit too late to fix it.
 
[X] The Federation Party
-[X] Plan Global Networking
--[X] Continue to support radical thinkers and revolutionary groups within the Imperial League, promising aid when they are ready to begin their uprisings. Tailor German rhetoric and aid to the material conditions of each country, though always emphasizing revolution as the end goal.
--[X] Formally recognize the Jeonju government in order to immediately begin providing similar support to them as we do other anti-colonial groups, with a formal embassy, military attaches, and aid in reaching out to Japan and China. Focus on promoting socialist and radical groups within Jeonju as part of this anti-colonialism.
--[X] Propose the Logistical Integration Commission for the Triple Alliance, a commission which, similar to the AHC, will begin coordinating and standardizing vital war industries within the Triple Alliance, from steel production to arms manufacturing.
—[X] Begin to plan out various cultural and national assemblies, taking public input from the relevant communities to best ensure that the NPA program benefits them. Recognize national personal autonomy within the Imperial League, specifically in Austria and Poland, and assert their individual right to personal self-determination and autonomy via diplomatic channels.
--[X] Through our existing cultural exchanges with America, begin making inroads with the American People's Party, seeking to affirm bonds of international radical solidarity openly, and encouraging them to honor the principles of anti-colonial radicalism with indigenous groups. Meanwhile, build on the existing exchanges to encourage the development of independent radical and socialist grassroots networks, as well as disenfranchised groups, through industrial and commercial exchanges.
--[X] Begin surveying and coordinating with councils to continue to connect Germany with lights and telegraphs, using the rail lines as guideposts. Ensure that military and naval needs are prioritized in this planning and building.
 
Nyvis said:
There's no current communist government. It's fine to do a bit but let's not just lie about the update?
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Apologies. The policies enacted were merely so similar, I genuinely forgot that the Communists were not in power the same way that they have for the previous years. (Also, who said this was a bit?)
 
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Nyvis said:
No, we have regular libraries but despite multiple attempts at passing the plank, we don't have tools libraries. The plank might be a bit too vague to indicate which gap it's filling though, that's my fault for not checking when I copied it and it's a bit too late to fix it.
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I definitely want tool libraries next turn as a plank. Preferably pretty high up.
 
Parzival said:
Apologies. The policies enacted were merely so similar, I genuinely forgot that the Communists were not in power the same way that they have for the previous years. (Also, who said this was a bit?)
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You're either roleplaying an aggressive bit (which our dear QM told us to stop doing) or I'm very confused. You don't have to engage in hyperbolics to disagree with the current leading plan, you know?

Aranfan said:
I definitely want tool libraries next turn as a plank. Preferably pretty high up.
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It's what the plank is supposed to be, it's just badly written. I hope it'll work when interpreted.
 
Nyvis said:
You're either roleplaying an aggressive bit (which our dear QM told us to stop doing) or I'm very confused. You don't have to engage in hyperbolics to disagree with the current leading plan, you know?
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I'm not doing a bit. I am entirely serious. (This is not sarcasm. I am serious about being serious about this. It legitimately slipped my mind, out of character.)
 
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Parzival said:
Apologies. The policies enacted were merely so similar, I genuinely forgot that the Communists were not in power the same way that they have for the previous years. (Also, who said this was a bit?)
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They were not??? Last turn Fed-Coop coalition most definitely did not nationalize, they worked out a free association of coops. Have you actially read that update?
 
Parzival said:
--[x] Reform the civil service so positions are chosen by sortition, in order to prevent an entrenched bureaucratic class.
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If you were previously unaware, we don't actually have a policy-crafting level of civil service? All of that functionality is located in the National Assembly, in local assemblies, and other elected positions. The level you would be aiming this at is the "I'm an accountant auditing this office" level.
 
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I'm not doing a bit. I am entirely serious. (This is not sarcasm. I am serious about being serious about this.)
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Right so. Socialism, what is it?

Socialism is the ownership of the means of production by the workers.

The idea that such ownership must be direct through discrete cooperatives is very much a minority position irl. The idea that the ownership can be mediated through the democratic state through mechanisms such as nationalization is the mainstream current in the socialist thoughtsphere. State capitalism is a failure state of the second method, but it is not assumed. If you say that nationalization is inherently state capitalist you will be thought of as someone who is trolling.

Hell, most commonly the idea of worker ownship of the means of production being able to be exercised through discrete cooperatives is rejected because it involves a market mechanism for when the coops conduct commerce. Because most socialists are also communists.
 
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