I don't see how rebuffing them and letting them stew until they take another shot at us is at all productive, when we can instead work to make them more agreeable to us through using our strengths (diplomacy and being a good person).

Well, rejecting their offers and then conquering their village is possible. It is the option that Cadyl wants the most.

@Oshha What does a blessing of fatherhood do?

General buff to a father.

The trick is to keep this all under the control of the guy who's a leader amongst them-if he gets his reforms through we'll be fine, and hero-wise I think he'll be more or less unopposed since Caradawg ran off. And Aeryn is dead.
HOPEFULLY not having a hero of our own isn't going to bite us in the butt too hard (Though the importance placed on Edryd& Caradawg is rather concerning.)

You have Cadyl, Wyrn and Myrlin at the moment along with Ymaryn. While Heroes are good, they are still inherently weak against a spirit of a certain level like all mundane mortals are. For example, if Seryn decided to Curse Edryd, that's pretty much game over for him and there isn't anything he can do to stop Seryn from cursing him if she decides to.
 
The trick is to keep this all under the control of the guy who's a leader amongst them-if he gets his reforms through we'll be fine, and hero-wise I think he'll be more or less unopposed since Caradawg ran off. And Aeryn is dead.
HOPEFULLY not having a hero of our own isn't going to bite us in the butt too hard (Though the importance placed on Edryd& Caradawg is rather concerning.)
Not sure how you missed it, but Oshha just said this like 30 minutes ago:

Who said he wasn't? Wyrn is a Admin Hero/Martial Geninus while Cadyl is an upcoming Diplo/Martial Hero.

We have our own heroes if need be.
The biggest advantage of the Sangerish is that they can drown us in numbers, and the biggest advantage of Caradawg is likely that he has super swole spirits with him though spamming blood sacrifice.
 
[X] [Sangere 1] Accept the wives and slaves, but let it be known that any who enter Avawyr are free to live as they please, so long as they follow our rules. Any slaves who enter Avawyr are to live as free men, and "wives" accepted shall have no obligation to marry anyone, and any children taken shall be raised by the entirely of Avawyr, including the Pantheon itself if need be.
[X] [Sangere 2] Accept Catlyn into Avawyr.
-[X] [Sangere 2] Just let her live in the village.
[X] [Sangere 3] Accept the request
[X] [Sangere 4] Young Children
-[X] [Sangere 4] 20.
[X] [Cycle] Gwarlon

Okay from the explanation on Sangere culture, we should not take the wives. It'd make their domestic situation even worse to remove prestigious women from the pool WHILE worsening our domestic situation.
We should avoid taking slaves as well, too easy for them to raid others to make up the numbers.
So we take children to balance out our demographics(at least, until Seryn solves the problem, there's going to be a fair number of F-F Cath couples who want more kids but can't), and relieve their population pressures.

Especially when they have high child mortality.
Less cultural friction on our part as well, adopting children is easier.
 
Okay from the explanation on Sangere culture, we should not take the wives. It'd make their domestic situation even worse to remove prestigious women from the pool WHILE worsening our domestic situation.
We should avoid taking slaves as well, too easy for them to raid others to make up the numbers.
So we take children to balance out our demographics(at least, until Seryn solves the problem, there's going to be a fair number of F-F Cath couples who want more kids but can't), and relieve their population pressures.

The Sangerish have no one to raid who isn't the northerners (you guys). Otherwise pretty accurate though Edryd is hoping to use Seryn to resolve the men-to-women ratio and Seryn is willing if it means getting an in with the Sangerish culture.
 
@Oshha is she going to be blessing their women as usual, too?

If the Sangerish let her, yes. With Edryd helping her, she could be able to get enough of it done before the Sangerish what exactly her Blessing does and how it differs from her Curse, the latter being inflict upon defeated warriors.

Also, going to bed now.
 
@Oshha Are we already blessing the fathers of Avawyr? If we want to bless fathers of other villages, do we need to visit them to do so?

Also, is there any chance we could bless Edryd w/ a permanent Fatherhood & Leadership blessing rn?
 
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He does care, but he also does the latter for two reasons. First is that he has too many kids to care for so he just focuses on his most promising sons (the ones which have the potential to follow his beliefs when they grown up) and the second reason is that raising kids is a female job and Edryd can't do that without losing all of his respect and prestige.

So instead he works towards making a better future for his people (which includes his kids).

Seryn can revoke her Gift of the Mighty Body at will. If the Sangerish try to go against her or daddy dearest, they will do so without Seryn's help and against her full might.

Seryn's loyalty is first and foremost to her father, Gwarlon.

Please don't refer to it as them "getting" Seryn. She is her own person and is allowed to act as she wishes, so long as it doesn't endanger herself or others. It also seems like this Edyrd fellow is alright, and he is attempting to channel the bloodthirst of his people away from themselves.

Considering how bare bones the Sangerish are in everything besides war, I feel as though we will be able to change them from within, either through subduing Escalf so that he plays ball for us, or by getting them to start worshipping our Pantheon, and thus begin to follow our rules.

I don't see how rebuffing them and letting them stew until they take another shot at us is at all productive, when we can instead work to make them more agreeable to us through using our strengths (diplomacy and being a good person).

That is now. I'm not too sure on your views on reality, but people will most of the time choose lovers, especially their first love, over family. She will keep us at the forefront for now, but if she falls for him and in fifteen or twenty years she is his wife and still loves him, but he decides going against us in favor of his people, who would've become her people aswell... Are you trully sure she will side with us? This is the same girl that killed a defenseless spirit because of grief for something this spirit had nothing to do with and instantly regreted... She is not the most controlled person, and has been shown time and time again to value feelings over logic.
 
That is now. I'm not too sure on your views on reality, but people will most of the time choose lovers, especially their first love, over family. She will keep us at the forefront for now, but if she falls for him and in fifteen or twenty years she is his wife and still loves him, but he decides going against us in favor of his people, who would've become her people aswell... Are you trully sure she will side with us? This is the same girl that killed a defenseless spirit because of grief for something this spirit had nothing to do with and instantly regreted... She is not the most controlled person, and has been shown time and time again to value feelings over logic.
I hear ya but...That's assuming HE is going to want to try and roll us in fifteen or so cycles. And mind, that also means things like going against her own father, against uncle Evatine, her own mom, all that jazz, when this is a person who's emotional over logical, according to your concerns. A different response I could see, is Seryn rescinding ALL Cath Wyrs for the time being, and then restore them once the conflict's over.
 
A) I actually don't agree that people - even those who value feelings - are going to go against their family for the sake of their loved one, especially not if that family didn't instigate the problem and if "go against" means something like "actively try to destroy."
B) Why would we be going against each other anyways? Edryd is trying to change his people for the better. We want his people to change for the better. We want the additional power his people's worship would provide. We have no reason to try and conquer his people. He has no reason to want us to be destroyed. Etc.

All I'm hearing is paranoia.
 
I hear ya but...That's assuming HE is going to want to try and roll us in fifteen or so cycles. And mind, that also means things like going against her own father, against uncle Evatine, her own mom, all that jazz, when this is a person who's emotional over logical, according to your concerns. A different response I could see, is Seryn rescinding ALL Cath Wyrs for the time being, and then restore them once the conflict's over.

A) I actually don't agree that people - even those who value feelings - are going to go against their family for the sake of their loved one, especially not if that family didn't instigate the problem and if "go against" means something like "actively try to destroy."
B) Why would we be going against each other anyways? Edryd is trying to change his people for the better. We want his people to change for the better. We want the additional power his people's worship would provide. We have no reason to try and conquer his people. He has no reason to want us to be destroyed. Etc.

All I'm hearing is paranoia.

I never for her to help eliminate us, I never actually said for her to help in battle against us, all it takes is the strongest spirit in our pantheon saying "No father, your choice won't be heard because I'll hear my husband" and we lost all we have, because our leading is completely dependent on her at this time. If he get's enough ins, he doesn't even need to go to war to steamroll us, simply the numbers and her help is more than enough.

A. The valuing feelings is not about who she chooses, is about making reckless choices. And you should remember what love and passion is defined as, while I'm not a professional, it goes something like this: the person sees an idolized version of their loved ones and ignores most, if not all, of the shortcomings. She won't come to kill us, I'm pretty sure, but won't stand against us? Also, since we are turning all our family to spirits, what's to stop her and his slaves from making him a spirit aswell, if we can't rule them out of it?

B. Simply because he is fighting against his own culture, and even when successfull this is never a thing for one generation, while he himself agrees with most of it, excepted the way women at treated (aparently, haven't shown anything for either side), for killing each other (in the same village, he was never against killing "outsiders" like us) and for slavery. So he is good, for a Sangerish, but he still thinks as war as viable to simply prove themselves and to get more slaves, which he seems to not like. Even then, this people will grow more than us every year, in trully disproportionate amounts, and we have no way of knowing if their spirit will help us, or even talk with us, while it's been stated he will stay against us in favor of his spirit, even though he barely knows him. Sincerely, the only possible way this alliance can work out is if both his spirit and him convert to our pantheon, bringing the people along, or if we can convert everyone without the spirit stopping us, which honestly is pure fantasy, even if he didn't make an avatar...

I honestly want you to simply think from his side and say that no matter what you wouldn't turn against us. Because he has too many points to coming against us personally, and even more when you consider he has to appease his people, otherwise he simply won't rule.
 
I never for her to help eliminate us, I never actually said for her to help in battle against us, all it takes is the strongest spirit in our pantheon saying "No father, your choice won't be heard because I'll hear my husband" and we lost all we have, because our leading is completely dependent on her at this time. If he get's enough ins, he doesn't even need to go to war to steamroll us, simply the numbers and her help is more than enough.

A. The valuing feelings is not about who she chooses, is about making reckless choices. And you should remember what love and passion is defined as, while I'm not a professional, it goes something like this: the person sees an idolized version of their loved ones and ignores most, if not all, of the shortcomings. She won't come to kill us, I'm pretty sure, but won't stand against us? Also, since we are turning all our family to spirits, what's to stop her and his slaves from making him a spirit aswell, if we can't rule them out of it?

B. Simply because he is fighting against his own culture, and even when successfull this is never a thing for one generation, while he himself agrees with most of it, excepted the way women at treated (aparently, haven't shown anything for either side), for killing each other (in the same village, he was never against killing "outsiders" like us) and for slavery. So he is good, for a Sangerish, but he still thinks as war as viable to simply prove themselves and to get more slaves, which he seems to not like. Even then, this people will grow more than us every year, in trully disproportionate amounts, and we have no way of knowing if their spirit will help us, or even talk with us, while it's been stated he will stay against us in favor of his spirit, even though he barely knows him. Sincerely, the only possible way this alliance can work out is if both his spirit and him convert to our pantheon, bringing the people along, or if we can convert everyone without the spirit stopping us, which honestly is pure fantasy, even if he didn't make an avatar...

I honestly want you to simply think from his side and say that no matter what you wouldn't turn against us. Because he has too many points to coming against us personally, and even more when you consider he has to appease his people, otherwise he simply won't rule.
I don't think the argument has ever been that he would "turn against us", as he is mostly just using us to change the Sangerish in a way he desires, with us doing the same.

The point of contention is that Seryn, who has been our staunchest supporter, would turn against us for someone, even if they were her lover.
Romantic love goes deep, but so does the love of family.

I do not think Seryn would go against both her family and the worshippers she is responsible for just because a man tells her to.
 
Hrrm...
I'll leave teh A&B points for Umi to handle for now, but your concern is basically that Seryn overthrows our leadership and Gwarlon goes 'poof' because being Leader is the majority of what he's good for, right? I'm not saying that CAN'T happen, but last I checked it wasn't clear who would win in such a clash, given that as our daughter and subordinate she gains vulnerabilities to those aspects, even if as a Goddess she should be capable of over-powering us.

As for Edryd...My read on him was that he was capitulating to SAVE his political career, meaning his rule should stabilize should the deal go through. And given his people will want him to stay on friendly terms with these northerners so as to not lose that deal, that gives him solid casus belli to bend to whatever our demands are. If our demands just so happen to be what HE wants, then we gain him as a friend, and there's that lovely little synergy chain of him letting us call shots he'd like to call and all that.
But that isn't our only vector for cultural shifting-there's the VERY powerful incentive of Seryn's Gift of the Mighty Body, and that will also twist things further in our favor, as the Sangere will want Seryn's favor to gain the blessing. Admittedly Seryn is in a more questionable state due to loyalty...But push come to shove we could just take the Seryn perspective for the next few turns and thus resist Edryd's rolls to seduce, if he tries that.
 
[X] [Sangere 1] Accept the wives and slaves, but let it be known that any who enter Avawyr are free to live as they please, so long as they follow our rules. Any slaves who enter Avawyr are to live as free men, and "wives" accepted shall have no obligation to marry anyone, and any children taken shall be raised by the entirely of Avawyr, including the Pantheon itself if need be.
[X] [Sangere 2] Accept Catlyn into Avawyr.
-[X] [Sangere 2] Just let her live in the village.
[X] [Sangere 3] Accept the request
[X] [Sangere 4] Young Children
-[X] [Sangere 4] 20.
[X] [Cycle] Gwarlon
 
If the men who would otherwise become slaves from the raiding are now going to be turned into women, raiding seems less than helpful for acquiring more slaves.
Okay, so take the narratives of each:
-Slaves

Their leading families will be picking dissidents, criminals and low status individuals to enslave and send as tribute. Over time this would actually reinforce their slavery practices as they would be compelled to keep enslaving their own people for tribute, while on our part, we'd be receiving former slaves with limited value skills who need retraining, overcome culture clash and avoid becoming a de-facto underclass.
They also have a vested interest in retaining their female slaves, so you'd see a lot more male slaves, which would probably give our Fatherhood+Leader attribute a headache to see subservient men under Cath wives.

Its very easy for people to casually slide into making the ex-slaves do all the dirty and menial work, after all they're already used to the work and unlikely to complain. Which means in turn their children would not have as much opportunity to become farmers, hunters and craftsmen because their parents never had such skills.

On their side, it means we spur conflict. We'd be encouraging them to generate more slaves, whether by internal conflict, by entrapment or other means, because they NEED slaves. And the thing is that slavery needs very little incentive to continue.

-Wives

The biggest problem here is that we have an excess of women. We don't want more! Taking wives both harms the Sangere population dynamics AND ours.

The resultant scarcity of women in their society would apply strong pressure to do three things:
-Take Seryn's blessing regardless of personal desires. Their family would force them to via social pressure.
-Remove competitors. If theres too many men, then you'd just have to make sure a lot of them are removed from the competition. Slavery is one outlet where less successful men can be eliminated from the pool, as is exploration, civil war or dangerous initiation rites.
-End the tribute, by blood if necessary.

Ergo, Wives would either accelerate the social changes Seryn is trying to push or set their society on fire. On our side? We'd be normalizing polygamy, which would impact us as Spirit of the Father, especially when our edict is for our worshippers who wish to become Cath to need to sire 2 children, so the optimal route is to have two wives, sire one child on both, then become Cath.

-Children

The biggest problem here is that most families would have difficulties giving up their children, which would impose some social strain down the line until they get used to the idea. Fortunately the current Sangere situation is that they're already devaluing a big chunk of their children due to child mortality and that they are already writing off their female children as non-persons, so we can wedge in giving up children for adoption as a social value during the transition.

However on a population dynamics level, this is a strong positive. The Sangere get to rebalance their population by giving us excess sons they can't afford to raise as warrior-farmers(this is the only way giving men to us is socially acceptable under their model other than as slaves). We get a steady influx of fresh blood to balance out the Cath monotyping.

Culturally it helps that the new population are children, which we get to culturally convert more easily than adults, and they also fill the gap between former-male-Cath unwilling to take a husband with adopted children until Seryn figures out the magic.

Finally, as Spirit of the Father, adopting children is resonant with our themes and helps expand the definition of Family.
 
The Sangere get to rebalance their population by giving us excess sons they can't afford to raise as warrior-farmers
Dude, you do realize that it's not really a matter of not being able to afford to raise their sons as warrior-farmers but that there's a literal, like, quota system? Like, if you're not able to get a farm when you hit manhood you're made a slave. That's it.

Slaves occur in two ways:
-Made a slave when you grow up.
-Made a slave when you're defeated in a duel.

Us taking children is decreasing the influx slaves over the long run.
However, there probably aren't that many people who are going to want a slave over a wife. With an increased number of wives as a result of defeat in duels, the number of children is likely to start increasing.

Some people are probably not going to be well-suited for wife-dom, and will thus be made slaves. Some of those people will also be unsuited for slave-dom, and will thus be sent to us. Which means that we will be getting problematic people.
However, my vote and yours indicates that we'll be getting troublemakers one way or another.

Are we incentivizing slave-making by demanding a tribute of slaves? Probably, but with only 10 a year from a population of 10k+ with an insane reproduction rate not significantly.

Edit: There are probably 0 "female slaves" considering that all wives are basically slaves anyways. You analysis makes me feel like you haven't put sufficient effort into understanding their culture.
 
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[X] [Sangere 1] Accept the wives and slaves, but let it be known that any who enter Avawyr are free to live as they please, so long as they follow our rules. Any slaves who enter Avawyr are to live as free men, and "wives" accepted shall have no obligation to marry anyone, and any children taken shall be raised by the entirely of Avawyr, including the Pantheon itself if need be.
[X] [Sangere 2] Accept Catlyn into Avawyr.
-[X] [Sangere 2] Just let her live in the village.
[X] [Sangere 3] Accept the request
[X] [Sangere 4] Young Children
-[X] [Sangere 4] 20.
[X] [Sangere 4] Slaves
-[X] [Sangere 4] 10.
[X] [Cycle] Gwarlon
 
That is now. I'm not too sure on your views on reality, but people will most of the time choose lovers, especially their first love, over family. She will keep us at the forefront for now, but if she falls for him and in fifteen or twenty years she is his wife and still loves him, but he decides going against us in favor of his people, who would've become her people aswell... Are you trully sure she will side with us? This is the same girl that killed a defenseless spirit because of grief for something this spirit had nothing to do with and instantly regreted... She is not the most controlled person, and has been shown time and time again to value feelings over logic.

Seryn will not be supporting anyone over Gwarlon because she is rather emotional.


I never for her to help eliminate us, I never actually said for her to help in battle against us, all it takes is the strongest spirit in our pantheon saying "No father, your choice won't be heard because I'll hear my husband" and we lost all we have, because our leading is completely dependent on her at this time. If he get's enough ins, he doesn't even need to go to war to steamroll us, simply the numbers and her help is more than enough.

A. The valuing feelings is not about who she chooses, is about making reckless choices. And you should remember what love and passion is defined as, while I'm not a professional, it goes something like this: the person sees an idolized version of their loved ones and ignores most, if not all, of the shortcomings. She won't come to kill us, I'm pretty sure, but won't stand against us? Also, since we are turning all our family to spirits, what's to stop her and his slaves from making him a spirit aswell, if we can't rule them out of it?

B. Simply because he is fighting against his own culture, and even when successfull this is never a thing for one generation, while he himself agrees with most of it, excepted the way women at treated (aparently, haven't shown anything for either side), for killing each other (in the same village, he was never against killing "outsiders" like us) and for slavery. So he is good, for a Sangerish, but he still thinks as war as viable to simply prove themselves and to get more slaves, which he seems to not like. Even then, this people will grow more than us every year, in trully disproportionate amounts, and we have no way of knowing if their spirit will help us, or even talk with us, while it's been stated he will stay against us in favor of his spirit, even though he barely knows him. Sincerely, the only possible way this alliance can work out is if both his spirit and him convert to our pantheon, bringing the people along, or if we can convert everyone without the spirit stopping us, which honestly is pure fantasy, even if he didn't make an avatar...

I honestly want you to simply think from his side and say that no matter what you wouldn't turn against us. Because he has too many points to coming against us personally, and even more when you consider he has to appease his people, otherwise he simply won't rule.

Seryn is always going to listen to Gwarlon even if she doesn't always agree with him.

I don't think the argument has ever been that he would "turn against us", as he is mostly just using us to change the Sangerish in a way he desires, with us doing the same.

The point of contention is that Seryn, who has been our staunchest supporter, would turn against us for someone, even if they were her lover.
Romantic love goes deep, but so does the love of family.

I do not think Seryn would go against both her family and the worshippers she is responsible for just because a man tells her to.

Pretty much this. Even if she does fall properly in love with Edryd, she will not betray her other responsibilities for him, especially not her father.

Hrrm...
I'll leave teh A&B points for Umi to handle for now, but your concern is basically that Seryn overthrows our leadership and Gwarlon goes 'poof' because being Leader is the majority of what he's good for, right? I'm not saying that CAN'T happen, but last I checked it wasn't clear who would win in such a clash, given that as our daughter and subordinate she gains vulnerabilities to those aspects, even if as a Goddess she should be capable of over-powering us.

As for Edryd...My read on him was that he was capitulating to SAVE his political career, meaning his rule should stabilize should the deal go through. And given his people will want him to stay on friendly terms with these northerners so as to not lose that deal, that gives him solid casus belli to bend to whatever our demands are. If our demands just so happen to be what HE wants, then we gain him as a friend, and there's that lovely little synergy chain of him letting us call shots he'd like to call and all that.
But that isn't our only vector for cultural shifting-there's the VERY powerful incentive of Seryn's Gift of the Mighty Body, and that will also twist things further in our favor, as the Sangere will want Seryn's favor to gain the blessing. Admittedly Seryn is in a more questionable state due to loyalty...But push come to shove we could just take the Seryn perspective for the next few turns and thus resist Edryd's rolls to seduce, if he tries that.

Yeah, Edryd needs your support right now otherwise his rule as top Chief is over and his life will probably go along with it. Cadyl is okay with that. Otherwise, Seryn's loyalty isn't questionable, it is firmly and utterly behind Gwarlon. But yes, you could just take over Seryn for a bit whenever you want to control what she does.

-Slaves

Their leading families will be picking dissidents, criminals and low status individuals to enslave and send as tribute. Over time this would actually reinforce their slavery practices as they would be compelled to keep enslaving their own people for tribute, while on our part, we'd be receiving former slaves with limited value skills who need retraining, overcome culture clash and avoid becoming a de-facto underclass.
They also have a vested interest in retaining their female slaves, so you'd see a lot more male slaves, which would probably give our Fatherhood+Leader attribute a headache to see subservient men under Cath wives.

Its very easy for people to casually slide into making the ex-slaves do all the dirty and menial work, after all they're already used to the work and unlikely to complain. Which means in turn their children would not have as much opportunity to become farmers, hunters and craftsmen because their parents never had such skills.

On their side, it means we spur conflict. We'd be encouraging them to generate more slaves, whether by internal conflict, by entrapment or other means, because they NEED slaves. And the thing is that slavery needs very little incentive to continue.

Just so you are aware, Sangerish slaves are men who lack non-warrior and non-farming skills, but have the other skills needed for society to function. The Sangerish slaves are the craftsmen of Sangere. Additionally, there are no female slaves as all the women are used as wives. Slaves are men who were unable to get a farm and forced to become craftsmen who cannot marry.

-Wives

The biggest problem here is that we have an excess of women. We don't want more! Taking wives both harms the Sangere population dynamics AND ours.

The resultant scarcity of women in their society would apply strong pressure to do three things:
-Take Seryn's blessing regardless of personal desires. Their family would force them to via social pressure.
-Remove competitors. If theres too many men, then you'd just have to make sure a lot of them are removed from the competition. Slavery is one outlet where less successful men can be eliminated from the pool, as is exploration, civil war or dangerous initiation rites.
-End the tribute, by blood if necessary.

Ergo, Wives would either accelerate the social changes Seryn is trying to push or set their society on fire. On our side? We'd be normalizing polygamy, which would impact us as Spirit of the Father, especially when our edict is for our worshippers who wish to become Cath to need to sire 2 children, so the optimal route is to have two wives, sire one child on both, then become Cath.

It wouldn't set their society on fire. Edryd is setting it up so that the most influential and powerful members of Sangerish society will benefit and it will the lowest and least prestigious who suffer the price. If those bottom warrior-farmers want to cause trouble, well they can't because of how Sangerish society is set up, the fact that they are at the bottom is because they can't do anything about it. The only real change is that instead of getting a dead or enslaved foe, you get at least one new wife. If there is a lack of wives, you will see an increase of duels and challenges amongst the warrior-farmers instead of rebelling because they will happily screw over their lower members if needed.

-Children

The biggest problem here is that most families would have difficulties giving up their children, which would impose some social strain down the line until they get used to the idea. Fortunately the current Sangere situation is that they're already devaluing a big chunk of their children due to child mortality and that they are already writing off their female children as non-persons, so we can wedge in giving up children for adoption as a social value during the transition.

However on a population dynamics level, this is a strong positive. The Sangere get to rebalance their population by giving us excess sons they can't afford to raise as warrior-farmers(this is the only way giving men to us is socially acceptable under their model other than as slaves). We get a steady influx of fresh blood to balance out the Cath monotyping.

Culturally it helps that the new population are children, which we get to culturally convert more easily than adults, and they also fill the gap between former-male-Cath unwilling to take a husband with adopted children until Seryn figures out the magic.

Finally, as Spirit of the Father, adopting children is resonant with our themes and helps expand the definition of Family.

As Umi pointed out, the most desired and prestigious options for sons is becoming a warrior-farmer and if you cannot get a farm when you come of age, you become a slave.

Are we incentivizing slave-making by demanding a tribute of slaves? Probably, but with only 10 a year from a population of 10k+ with an insane reproduction rate not significantly.

Also this. Any tribute will be a drop in the bucket and Edryd knows this because he offered numbers which won't significantly impact on Sangerish society. Applies to wives and children as well.
 
Dude, you do realize that it's not really a matter of not being able to afford to raise their sons as warrior-farmers but that there's a literal, like, quota system? Like, if you're not able to get a farm when you hit manhood you're made a slave. That's it.

Slaves occur in two ways:
-Made a slave when you grow up.
-Made a slave when you're defeated in a duel.

Us taking children is decreasing the influx slaves over the long run.
However, there probably aren't that many people who are going to want a slave over a wife. With an increased number of wives as a result of defeat in duels, the number of children is likely to start increasing.

Some people are probably not going to be well-suited for wife-dom, and will thus be made slaves. Some of those people will also be unsuited for slave-dom, and will thus be sent to us. Which means that we will be getting problematic people.
However, my vote and yours indicates that we'll be getting troublemakers one way or another.

Are we incentivizing slave-making by demanding a tribute of slaves? Probably, but with only 10 a year from a population of 10k+ with an insane reproduction rate not significantly.

Edit: There are probably 0 "female slaves" considering that all wives are basically slaves anyways. You analysis makes me feel like you haven't put sufficient effort into understanding their culture.
The number is small. It's mostly about the symbolisms and what kinds of activities we're promoting.
Just so you are aware, Sangerish slaves are men who lack non-warrior and non-farming skills, but have the other skills needed for society to function. The Sangerish slaves are the craftsmen of Sangere. Additionally, there are no female slaves as all the women are used as wives. Slaves are men who were unable to get a farm and forced to become craftsmen who cannot marry.
That helps a bit. How are their slaves treated on the slave abuse charts? Also for the matter, how are their artisanal skills passed down considering the ability for the warrior-farmers to have multiple wives is going to leave the artisans with few or no wives?
It wouldn't set their society on fire. Edryd is setting it up so that the most influential and powerful members of Sangerish society will benefit and it will the lowest and least prestigious who suffer the price. If those bottom warrior-farmers want to cause trouble, well they can't because of how Sangerish society is set up, the fact that they are at the bottom is because they can't do anything about it. The only real change is that instead of getting a dead or enslaved foe, you get at least one new wife. If there is a lack of wives, you will see an increase of duels and challenges amongst the warrior-farmers instead of rebelling because they will happily screw over their lower members if needed.
Very effective setup essentially. The elite men have a monopoly on firce and can thus squeeze whatever they need out of the lower rungs?

Either way, accepting slaves as tribute is something I'd still strongly recommend against. I don't want to set a precedent for our people accepting slaves from outside, considering the economic rewards for doing so, nor do I want to integrate adult members of Sangerish culture into our own.

Taking children mostly for Spirit of the Father, with a secondary note towards using it to assimilate any future conquests as a precedent.

That said the tragedy of this all is that...with the insane agricultural output, if they had a different setup they could have shot past us as a civilization by explosively urbanizing(and then promptly die to disease :p ).
 
That helps a bit. How are their slaves treated on the slave abuse charts? Also for the matter, how are their artisanal skills passed down considering the ability for the warrior-farmers to have multiple wives is going to leave the artisans with few or no wives?

Varies from person to person, but overall, they are just avoided. The slaves are slaves to Esclalf rather than to any particular individual so nobody wants to risk angering Esclalf by mistreating his slaves. Overall, the warrior-farmers view their slaves as a necessary evil as without them, they would have no vital items like stone tools or clothing. Ideally, the Sangerish would get rid of them, but as that isn't a viable option, they settle for just ignoring them. The slaves have no wives because slaves can't have wives or other property. As for passing on skills, the older generation will teach the new generation of slaves in an apprentice-master sort of relationship.

Very effective setup essentially. The elite men have a monopoly on force and can thus squeeze whatever they need out of the lower rungs?

Yes. Due to enforcing a monopoly of violence and martial prowess, the higher up warrior-farmers are able to enforce their will on the lower ranks. And because they are near the bottom due to being unable to win a higher place by force, they are unable to put up a revolt against the upper ranks. If there is any successfully in-fighting, it is between different Chiefs or prestigious warrior-farmers fighting who whom is going to be at the top of society. Edryd is hoping to introduce reforms by using Seryn to reward those higher ups at the expenses of the bottom warrior-farmers due to the former having a shot of successfully resisting the reforms while the latter don't.
 
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