Ship of Fools: A Taylor Varga Omake (Complete)

I've heard of these 'explosive-propelled missile weapon' thing-ies... I also heard of a cape called 'Cookoff', who was Manton-limited, but could make such volatile substances as explosives 'spontaneously' combust, at a considerable range.

How do you think the two of these would interact? :)
 
Part of the issue is focusing on one way of solving problems, like guns. A bit like having a hammer, so every problem looks like a nail. And, if it's a funny-shaped nail, you just need to find the right hammer. There was a list of "how to solve any problem with a gun" that I saw a few years, ago, but a quick search didn't find it. Probably lost in 'gun control' stuff.

Having an outside perspective can be very useful, even if it comes in the form of trolling lizards. Excessive focus, 'banging your head against a brick wall', 'can't see the forest for the trees' are all ways of talking about the how the big human strength of concentration, razor, laser, sharp focus on an issue, can also be a big weakness.

The balance between defence and offence, armour and weapons, has swung back and forth over the centuries. And the portability of each. Currently it seems pretty firmly to be on the 'offence' side, with little sign that'll change, but...

Even without trolling lizards the world continues to change in all sorts of strange and interesting ways...
 
The balance between defence and offence, armour and weapons, has swung back and forth over the centuries. And the portability of each. Currently it seems pretty firmly to be on the 'offence' side, with little sign that'll change, but...

Note: Sorry this is so long -- it just kind of grew, and hopefully not too many people think it is a false positive for a new chapter.

I don't want to derail my own thread, and there IS another chapter in the works (albeit so far I've only written most of the first scene), but this is an interesting topic to me.

We've advanced to the point where our ability to rapidly introduce energy into a system is able to readily overcome our materials science. Even the most advanced mobile armor systems today are vulnerable to the combination of smart weapons and complex warheads. Personal body armor is quite good against things like shrapnel from explosives, but a century-old system like the aforementioned Ma Deuce is more than capable of demonstrating the limits of personal protection if you're unlucky enough to be in the field of fire.

One interesting approach is introducing opposing energy into a system, by using things like reactive armor packs or anti-missile systems. Intelligent design can mitigate some of the advantages, as well, such as having ammunition storage that vents premature detonations to the outside of the crew compartment, or by adding elements of stealth that make it hard for modern weapon systems to lock onto a target.

The holy grail for defensive design, though, would be an ability to absorb or deflect weapon energy that manages to make it through active defenses. These would be sci-fi concepts like force fields, or advanced materials that can absorb or reflect massive amounts of energy. The quintessential version of the latter is Captain America's vibranium shield from Marvel Comics. If some scientist somewhere makes a true breakthrough in this area, then we might see a shift back to defensive advantage like we haven't had since the 19th century.

This is interesting to me because that offense vs. defense balance drastically changes the nature of warfare, which in turn changes the geopolitical balance of power. At a strategic level, this is why we had test bans for so long on ABM systems, because the idea that somebody might think they could win a large-scale nuclear exchange thanks to anti-missile systems was too threatening a risk -- both to their opponent, and to themselves if it turned out to be hubris.

Fiction deals with these things a LOT, albeit sometimes in an indirect fashion. Rolling things back around to my story:

In the Buffy universe, we rarely see anybody using firearms. This has been explained in a variety of ways -- the need for stealth, the risk to bystanders, the inability of immortal demons to adapt to changing technology, the risk of mutual escalation, mystical immunity to bullets, etc. From a story-telling perspective, it keeps the abilities of the Slayer relevant and provides a more traditional horror-film feel to the confrontations.

The Aliens universe obviously is the opposite. The Colonial Marines arrive on LV-426 with machine guns, grenade launchers, nuclear weapons, drop ships and armored personnel carriers. Aliens is a great film, but the plot jumps through hoops to negate all of those advantages. They can't fire their modern guns inside the colony without setting off the reactor (which if you think about it, is an IDIOTIC design for an industrial colony). The officer leading the expedition is ludicrously inexperienced and freezes at the wrong moment. They leave their drop ship on the tarmac with the door open in a potentially hostile combat situation, and they don't even post perimeter guards. They have such a small complement that they don't leave anybody on their ship when they deploy. It's all really contrived when you think about it logically.

Both Marvel and DC play really fast and loose with the laws of physics. We rarely see military action, and when we do, the impact of heroes like Captain America is almost always tactical rather than strategic, and the impact of supers is balanced by both sides having access. In Worm, the Endbringers and the advent of capes rather dramatically changes the balance of power -- third world nations are basically left to the rule of various capes, while nations powerful enough to control capes consolidate their authority. The role of the traditional military is rather drastically reduced.

Stargate, on the other hand, clearly uses the "battlestar" approach to combat, with cruiser-class ships duking it out amidst swarms of fighters. It's arguable as to whether this kind of division makes any sense at all -- it is quite clear that swarms of Jaffa in fighters can do very little against a shielded ha'tak, with only the heavier bombers being even a slight threat. The primary advantage here is that a) it provides slightly more justification for the Air Force to still be in charge, and b) it increases the number of stories that can be told. Ground combat seems to be almost entirely infantry warfare, as the Stargate provides the primary means of bulk troop transport. I can think of dozens of ways to upset the balance of power in this universe, and many fanfic authors have done so.

Star Trek has a weird dichotomy that I'm actually trying to call out in my fic. By author's fiat, Starfleet is almost ludicrously pacifist for an organization that is clearly military in nature. The Enterprise-D was, as Honest Trailers put it, an awkward combination of high-tech space battleship and Marriott convention center. The real reason for the Treaty of Algernon in Star Trek canon is that it keeps the main characters visible so that they can't just sneak around every potential confrontation. Random Alien Encounter #122 wouldn't happen if the damned ship was invisible.
 
The holy grail for defensive design, though, would be an ability to absorb or deflect weapon energy that manages to make it through active defenses. These would be sci-fi concepts like force fields, or advanced materials that can absorb or reflect massive amounts of energy. The quintessential version of the latter is Captain America's vibranium shield from Marvel Comics. If some scientist somewhere makes a true breakthrough in this area, then we might see a shift back to defensive advantage like we haven't had since the 19th century.

Exote oy pretty much already came up with that kind of breakthrough over 2 decades ago. And they're not the only company having some form of "supermaterial" waiting in line to become practically useful rather than that "amazing material coming SOON!tm".

Exote armour falls in the category of "superfacehardened materials", with the biggest drawback being that it needs to be affixed to a backplate of conventional armour to be effective. SFH adds protection by essentially making ANYTHING that impacts it go more or less *SPLAT*. Literally anything all the way up to DU KE penetrators from tank guns(with the thin DU penetrators being especially prone to snapping due to having insufficient longitudinal structural integrity). And being a kind of ceramic, it even helps greatly against HEAT style warheads as well, even if not nearly as much as against solid shots.
So basically, for a modern tank, you add maybe a ton or less of the material, and you get a tank that is about 80% likely to completely IGNORE just about any antitank weapon.

For personal armour, it raises protection to the degree that .50 AP is nearly useless(and it's most effective by causing bruising), while being much lighter than any regular ballistic plates.

SFH is based on(or at least Exote's material is(if my reading of it was correct)) on the atoms of the surface layer being stretched out along the surface as much as possible. This means that when something impacts it, to break the surface the impact has to compete more with the strong nuclear force than would be normal rather than "just" the weak nuclear force, and with the strong force being something like a hundred thousand times stronger than the weak force, even shifting how much of each is involved in a material's cohesion a tiny bit increases surface durability to an extreme degree.

Of course, that means it's also an environmental disaster waiting to happen. Which is one of several reasons why they're not pushing their 2nd and 3rd generations of the material.

In the Buffy universe, we rarely see anybody using firearms. This has been explained in a variety of ways -- the need for stealth, the risk to bystanders, the inability of immortal demons to adapt to changing technology, the risk of mutual escalation, mystical immunity to bullets, etc.

I wouldn't exactly call it "mystical immunity", but the established baseline is that the single most common "bad boys"(ie vamps) pretty much ignores gunshots due to their nonbiology, as when the body is kept together and moving by demonic animation rather than biology, having bullets slice through becomes mostly a little *ouchy* rather than something to seriously damage it or even slow it down, so with vamps being the primary visible "forces of darkness" there is SOME pretty decent justification for "firearms=mostly useless". Sure, they still cause SOME damage, but when you need to put dozens of accurate hits or hundreds of random hits to really DO something about something that is several times as strong and fast as a human, while it's charging at you? And even if you put a vamp down, unless you have a way to dust it, it's just a matter of time until it gets back up and comes at you again.

Flamethrowers, flamers and other powerful enough incendiaries is pretty much the only thing effective against vamps. Aaand then you can bet that the inevitable Murphy's law of the Buffyverse is going to make sure that some sort of demon that just happens to be immune to fire damage is the next thing that attacks. :)

The Aliens universe obviously is the opposite. The Colonial Marines arrive on LV-426 with machine guns, grenade launchers, nuclear weapons, drop ships and armored personnel carriers. Aliens is a great film, but the plot jumps through hoops to negate all of those advantages. They can't fire their modern guns inside the colony without setting off the reactor (which if you think about it, is an IDIOTIC design for an industrial colony). The officer leading the expedition is ludicrously inexperienced and freezes at the wrong moment. They leave their drop ship on the tarmac with the door open in a potentially hostile combat situation, and they don't even post perimeter guards. They have such a small complement that they don't leave anybody on their ship when they deploy. It's all really contrived when you think about it logically.

Context. They DID actually establish a lot of it in regards to this. "is this going to be a standup fight or just another bughunt?" is probably the single most blatant one.
They're USED to facing stupid stuff with zero intelligence, they're used to a single unit like what's in Aliens to be OVERKILL to the point where absolutely none of the soldiers are worried.

And it's not the colony design that is the big problem, it's the xenomorphs being smart enough to lair in the one area of the colony where gunfire is a really big "no no!", which is also nicely rational because it's the one place where there's a direct heatsource.
The reactor is only a tiny little part of the colony, everywhere else, no problem. It is in fact surprisingly realistic.

Not saying that there's isn't a bunch of potentially contrived parts in the story, but it's much less than what you might think at first sight at least.
The dropship lands a good distance away from the expected dangerzone, again, against a regular "bughunt", that would probably have been excessively cautious if anything, and it is what they're used to.




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If someone ever came up with a weapon that cost no more then an M2, is at least as effective as the M2, but has a noteworthy advantage over the M2, then I'm sure the M2 would be phased out of service.

That was kinda my point. BETTER potential replacements have already happened.
But the M2 isn't getting replaced anyway.
The STK .50 uses the same ammo, is cheaper, lighter, more accurate, more reliable, can do absolutely everything the M2 can do, often better, is more user friendly, is produced by a nonhostile nation(Singapore) etc...

There is literally NOTHING that the M2 is better at.

Even the French MAC58 from the 1950s is better enough that without the inertia of "already deployed en masse with a huge stock of easily available spare parts", it would have replaced it.
Unless the Germans screw up with the RMG .50, it WILL be the start of replacing the M2, as by now it really is getting VERY obsolete.
If nothing else, it will eventually be too embarassing for the US to see the Russians play with their Kord HMGs and compare it to the M2 and see how far behind the M2 is.
 
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The reactor is only a tiny little part of the colony, everywhere else, no problem. It is in fact surprisingly realistic.

It was a FUSION reactor. The only way failure equals big explosion like it did in the movie would be if it was designed to double as a colonial self-destruct device.

Sustained fusion requires either stellar mass level gravity or a sustained energy input. Cut out the energy input, then at worst the electromagnetic containment fails, and the magnets themselves, along with the walls of the vacuum chamber the reaction is happening in, will be exposed to rapidly cooling plasma. By the time the chamber melts down, the temperature will drop enough to resemble conventional flames and the pressure will be fairly low. The reactor itself, and the surrounding rooms would be destroyed, but most of the colony would be untouched.

So, the reactor going up would destroy the hive, but not kill the marines in a different building.
 
It was a FUSION reactor. The only way failure equals big explosion like it did in the movie would be if it was designed to double as a colonial self-destruct device.

Sustained fusion requires either stellar mass level gravity or a sustained energy input. Cut out the energy input, then at worst the electromagnetic containment fails, and the magnets themselves, along with the walls of the vacuum chamber the reaction is happening in, will be exposed to rapidly cooling plasma. By the time the chamber melts down, the temperature will drop enough to resemble conventional flames and the pressure will be fairly low. The reactor itself, and the surrounding rooms would be destroyed, but most of the colony would be untouched.

So, the reactor going up would destroy the hive, but not kill the marines in a different building.

A lot (if not all) of his comment was just... nonsense science. I wouldn't spend too much time trying to argue with him.
 
A lot (if not all) of his comment was just... nonsense science. I wouldn't spend too much time trying to argue with him.
Agreed. I didn't know where to begin with his armor assumptions (if something that good was available, it would be used unless there's something VERY wrong with it.) I can agree with the Buffy bits; "killing" things that are already dead and lack vital points is rather difficult with conventional weapons. And the "bughunt" comment from Aliens was along the same lines as a snipe hunt; they were used to being sent out to look for "aliens" that just didn't exist.

I only commented on how "realistic" the fusion reactor was because it was anything but.

As to the M2; my point stands. If the US DOD can get something as good or better for less, they will. Of course, produced locally is a factor in such decisions, so something slightly better produced in another country will not count....
 
As to the M2; my point stands. If the US DOD can get something as good or better for less, they will. Of course, produced locally is a factor in such decisions, so something slightly better produced in another country will not count....

Except that they quite regularly source designs from foreign sources and produce them locally once sourced. Both the M9 sidearm and the M249 SAW are designs developed by European firms in friendly countries that were adapted during military trials. In both those cases, there were specific reasons (and I don't want to debate the validity of the reasons) why they wanted to move away from the M1911 and the M60. It's quite possible nobody has made enough noise about the M2 to merit the cost of sourcing and setting up production for an alternative.
 
One note on the viability of firearms in the Buffy-verse. Allow me to provide a number of points from canon:

1) Spike was in a wheelchair for much of season 2 because it took a long time for the damage to his central nervous system to heal, despite mystical recovery. This strongly suggests the CNS injuries can be seriously debilitating to vampires for a period of time beyond a single combat engagement.

2) While decapitation is effective, in the vast majority of situations, vampires are dispatched either via a sharpened stick or through an arrow or crossbow bolt (which is basically a sharpened stick moving fast). The slayers do this on a nightly basis.

3) Arrows and stakes MUST penetrate at least a portion of the vampire's heart. When the native American spirits were attacking during the Thanksgiving episode, Spike was repeatedly penetrated with arrows to the point that he was starting to look like a pincushion. I point this out (no pun intended) to state that slayers regularly were able to hit a small target on vampires with both melee and projectile weapons -- a target that was unlikely (though not impossible) to hit by chance.

4) Buffy and other slayers are regularly stated as having a supernatural ability to learn any weapon. Given that she was able to effectively use a rocket launcher with less than an afternoon's familiarization, we can say it is extremely likely that this ability extends to modern weapons.

5) There are plenty of enemies apart from vampires that find guns rather deadly, as both Wesley and Wolfram and Hart proved repeatedly in Angel.

Conclusion: Slayers could easily take down a vampire with even regular jacketed 9mm bullets by hitting their CNS, and there were plenty of demons that were not immune to bullets (and those that were either had a mystical vulnerability -- fyarls and werewolves need silver -- or had really thick armor, which suggests AP rounds may be a solution). Buffy hated guns, probably because her first watcher killed himself with one. Even without that, she would have had some severe restrictions on being able to carry a gun given that she was an American high school student in California (which has very strict open and concealed carry laws). Failing to train slayers in firearms still seems like a massive oversight on the part of the Council. It is unclear as to whether that oversight is deliberate.
 
The biggest arguments I've heard that sounded sane against firearms in the Buffy canon are over penetration and noise that attracts law enforcement in a way they can't ignore.

Both aren't much of an argument at night with a trained Slayer. I'd guess that the knowledge of using a firearm would also impart the ability to know where a bullet would end up. And it's not likely that law enforcement would be out at night. Or if they were out at night, they are likely beings that the Slayer would go after.

I agree that there using guns in a Buffy story isn't a bad idea.

Especially if you use a spell that silences them, like @dogbertcarroll does in his story with Wesley using a silenced sawed off shotgun. (ch3 "Lacking an Anchor")
 
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I think the main argument was that if the slayers start escalating with modern weaponry, so do demons. What with it being a Balance world and all. Considering Slayers are both much less numerous and just as if not more vulnerable to firearms than demons, that would not end well for the slayers.
 
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I think the main arguement was that if the slayers start escalating with modern weaponry, so do demons. What with it being a Balance world and all. Considering Slayers are both much less numerous and just as if not more vulnerable to firearms than demons, that would not end well for the slayers.
This is also a good argument.

When you get right down to it, I think the best argument against firearms is that it makes the kill impersonal. And that just doesn't fit with the temperament of either the Slayer spirit or most of the demons she hunts.

You can make the argument that using 'gun-fu' can lessen that to an extent, but that brings it down to a personal choice. And none of the Slayers that were mentioned in canon ever expressed that guns were 'cool'.
 
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Failing to train slayers in firearms still seems like a massive oversight on the part of the Council. It is unclear as to whether that oversight is deliberate.

I forget which story it was in, but I recall reading one with another, more pragmatic reason not to train Slayers with guns. So the Watcher's Council could "retire" problematic Slayers more easily, or at least have mercenaries be sent in to control the willful girls....
 
One note on the viability of firearms in the Buffy-verse. Allow me to provide a number of points from canon:

1) Spike was in a wheelchair for much of season 2 because it took a long time for the damage to his central nervous system to heal, despite mystical recovery. This strongly suggests the CNS injuries can be seriously debilitating to vampires for a period of time beyond a single combat engagement.

2) While decapitation is effective, in the vast majority of situations, vampires are dispatched either via a sharpened stick or through an arrow or crossbow bolt (which is basically a sharpened stick moving fast). The slayers do this on a nightly basis.

3) Arrows and stakes MUST penetrate at least a portion of the vampire's heart. When the native American spirits were attacking during the Thanksgiving episode, Spike was repeatedly penetrated with arrows to the point that he was starting to look like a pincushion. I point this out (no pun intended) to state that slayers regularly were able to hit a small target on vampires with both melee and projectile weapons -- a target that was unlikely (though not impossible) to hit by chance.

4) Buffy and other slayers are regularly stated as having a supernatural ability to learn any weapon. Given that she was able to effectively use a rocket launcher with less than an afternoon's familiarization, we can say it is extremely likely that this ability extends to modern weapons.

5) There are plenty of enemies apart from vampires that find guns rather deadly, as both Wesley and Wolfram and Hart proved repeatedly in Angel.

Conclusion: Slayers could easily take down a vampire with even regular jacketed 9mm bullets by hitting their CNS, and there were plenty of demons that were not immune to bullets (and those that were either had a mystical vulnerability -- fyarls and werewolves need silver -- or had really thick armor, which suggests AP rounds may be a solution). Buffy hated guns, probably because her first watcher killed himself with one. Even without that, she would have had some severe restrictions on being able to carry a gun given that she was an American high school student in California (which has very strict open and concealed carry laws). Failing to train slayers in firearms still seems like a massive oversight on the part of the Council. It is unclear as to whether that oversight is deliberate.

I didn't say they were 100% useless. But to get those CNS hits, well, realworld trained soldiers get that less than 1% of the time in anything but sniping or CAREFULLY aimed shots.
The kind of shots you do not get at something that moves much faster than a human.
Oh yes, slayers could easily do it. Others, not so much.


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A lot (if not all) of his comment was just... nonsense science. I wouldn't spend too much time trying to argue with him.

Just because you prefer to be smugly ignorant and incompetent doesn't mean everyone else has to be. Why don't you prove me wrong? Please try. I mean, instead of kneejerking to a useless personal attack and insult because you're unable to understand the science.

It was a FUSION reactor. The only way failure equals big explosion like it did in the movie would be if it was designed to double as a colonial self-destruct device.

Sustained fusion requires either stellar mass level gravity or a sustained energy input. Cut out the energy input, then at worst the electromagnetic containment fails, and the magnets themselves, along with the walls of the vacuum chamber the reaction is happening in, will be exposed to rapidly cooling plasma. By the time the chamber melts down, the temperature will drop enough to resemble conventional flames and the pressure will be fairly low. The reactor itself, and the surrounding rooms would be destroyed, but most of the colony would be untouched.

So, the reactor going up would destroy the hive, but not kill the marines in a different building.

That's roughly correct for the majority of theoretically possible fusion reactors yes. Not for all. And if the increased power generation efficiency is great enough, the people building it will pick the more dangerous reactor type because hey, more energy for less cash, obviously the better choice. Compare to realworld, where today it is 100% possible to build fission reactors that are simply unable to have a meltdown, but because their efficiency is lower, it's not the model being built.

Agreed. I didn't know where to begin with his armor assumptions (if something that good was available, it would be used unless there's something VERY wrong with it.

Pricetag is on the, let's say "high" side of things. And manufacturing is so far done in tiny little squares a few mm thick. Without making it easier to apply in practice, it's going to be a repeat of the F-35s "stealth-coat" that makes it require several times the groundcrew of otherwise comparable modern fighters, and STILL require >triple the groundservice time per mission.

But, the material exists, and i only used it as an example because i've actually once read up on it, there are others with similar levels of advantage, BUT ALSO similar levels of issues.
If you have to apply the Exote layer purely by hand to a tank, at exacting levels of precision, including figuring out how to get allover coverage without compromising optics, electronics etc, the pricetag for doing that goes instantly into the range of "ridiculous" even before looking at the high cost of the layer itself.
On the personal armour side, the replacement for a ballistic plate that was tested, full pricetag was something like a >hundred times the ballistic plate it replaced, and modern armies are already straining to maintain troops with just regular bodyarmour that is a tiny fraction of the cost.

As to the M2; my point stands. If the US DOD can get something as good or better for less, they will. Of course, produced locally is a factor in such decisions, so something slightly better produced in another country will not count....

No they wont. The US DoD is literally infamous for being irrational. Again, i can use the F-35 as an excellent example as it is on the edge of "glorified crap". The fun about it comes when you look at some of the decisions made relating to it. Like how the machinetools for making the Harrier II were specifically destroyed as part of the F-35 deal, just to make sure that noone could back out from the F-35s replacing it.

Or how it has a datalink system that produces sensor ghosts on a regular but unpredictable basis. While the datalink my own nation built, most noticeably used in the Gripen(but also fully integrates with land and sea forces), was designed and done BEFORE that on the F-35, and does NOT produce any sensor ghosts like that. USA could have purchased our system, freely available BEFORE they started their own development.
Seriously, the USSR pioneered this kind of datalink with the MiG-31 back in the late 80s, and even the current Russian incarnation of that ALSO works better than what the F-35 uses, despite costing a fraction of it.

Or how about we talk about STRIX, another one from my own country. It was developed from mid 80s and put into production in the early 90s. Years later, USA decided it wanted the same capability. Oh, but just the study made to take that decision cost more than it cost Sweden developing it and running one production line with the 1st generation. STRIX was freely and openly available for purchase long before USA even STARTED its own R&D program. And fully compatible to US systems.
Instead, the US XM395 PROTOTYPE ammo gets live fire testing for the first time in 2011 Afghanistan. STRIX went into active, NONprototype service in 1994. And the XM395 isn't even better than the 2nd generation or later STRIX, which went into production in the late 90s.

And the STK .50 isn't just "slightly better" than the M2. But yes, "not built here" is an extremely strong force within the US DoD, it's a heavily ingrained part of the severe corruption there. And as shown above, "not built here" and "not invented here" goes to the point of stupidity and then keeps going far beyond that point, STRIX being an absurdly good example, with USA spending something like 30 times MINIMUM of what Sweden did(a lot of the R&D costs have been hidden through corruption shenanigans, the full cost could easily be double or even triple what is known), and more than twice the time to get something that is just barely vaguely equal in capability.
And they didn't even start their own until STRIX was in active service.

Perhaps i should have been blatant about including corruption and greed dressed up as patriotism in that inertia, but lets be very clear about that rationality does NOT have anything to do with it.
The M2 is extremely overdue to be replaced no matter how decent a gun it was when it was designed. Like i already said, even just the DShk from less than 20 years later than the M2 can be argued as better enough that it could be considered a valid replacement. With the DShk you COULD argue "just slightly better", but this is also a gun from 1938, something which is also effectively obsolete.
Something not designed to take advantage of modern massproduction, materials engineering or precision.

As i also already noted, unless the Germans screw up the RMG .50 badly, it's going to push the M2 into the territory of "putting lipstick on a pig" level of obsolete. And the US DoD is almost certainly not going to replace it anyway. Instead there will be more pie in the sky projects that will be more or less utter fails.

Even just a straight redesign update of the M2 to make full use of industrial improvements would make it better in almost every way, but even this isn't being done. Because this couldn't excuse wasting money like "experimental supergun projects" can, and thus it isn't important enough.
 
Compare to realworld, where today it is 100% possible to build fission reactors that are simply unable to have a meltdown, but because their efficiency is lower, it's not the model being built.

Efficiency has very little to do with it. The most common reactors are designed to be able to create Plutonium for atomic weapons programs. Otherwise, Thorium reactors, which in theory will produce more energy per unit of fuel mass, would have been in service for decades now.
 
SFH is based on(or at least Exote's material is(if my reading of it was correct)) on the atoms of the surface layer being stretched out along the surface as much as possible. This means that when something impacts it, to break the surface the impact has to compete more with the strong nuclear force than would be normal rather than "just" the weak nuclear force, and with the strong force being something like a hundred thousand times stronger than the weak force

Stretching out atoms is an unusual way to describe things. Prestressing the bonds between atoms would likely be a better bet. The force which holds atoms together in a (chemical) structure is electro-magnetic. The strong nuclear force has to do with holding the (protons and neutrons of a) nucleus together, not atoms that make up the molecular structure of armour. The weak nuclear force is connected with radioactive decay, again of the nucleus. The nuclear forces operate at a scale way below that of the electromagnetic, about a 100 thousand, fermi rather than nano.

EDM may be getting its strength from the strong nuclear force...

Composite materials being particularly strong is something found widely in nature. If you can use mixes of metals and ceramics all sorts of possibilities may open up, while nature uses carbon/water/calcium to build stuff - look up mother-of-pearl, and the interesting ways bamboo gets to be so strong.

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I wouldn't be surprised about the Aliens fusion reactors using controlled gravity, as their ships have artificial gravity. Given the difference in tech from ours, FTL among other things, hard to know what the risk factors associated with their reactors are. The Aliens weapon tech is surprisingly primitive... Haven't even got things like gravity grenades...
 
I wouldn't be surprised about the Aliens fusion reactors using controlled gravity, as their ships have artificial gravity.
Even if the reactor was gravity based, loss of artificial gravity would just see the plasma expand outward. While in a fail-deadly design this could lead to an explosion, the reactor in Aliens was explicitly venting plasma as part of the failure of the system. Therefor, the energy release would still have been far smaller then shown in the movie.

Besides, even if gravity was being used to fuse hydrogen into helium, to keep a controlled reaction going a vacuum would be needed (to keep contaminates out,) so there would have been containment for the initial failure, and a gradual bleed off of energy as the containment failed via melting.

Besides, most of the existing theoretically efficient designs are fail-safe, not fail-dangerous; the needed energy input will end before containment fails, so while the reactor may be destroyed, the building is likely not to be, and even the reactor damage can be mitigated with a controlled plasma release. In fact, that did happen in the movie, but they took it as a sign that the reactor was going to explode, not that it would shut down safely.

Because Bad Movie Science.
 
... Guys, while this is awesome, it's also a very large derail. I get that the author has chimed in, but the number of alerts and email notifications is a bit much for that same reason.
 
Failing to train slayers in firearms still seems like a massive oversight on the part of the Council. It is unclear as to whether that oversight is deliberate.
Probably deliberate considering people like Quentin Travers and how I've seen him portrayed in a couple Buffy Fanfics I've read, which I admit are not that many.
 
Probably deliberate considering people like Quentin Travers and how I've seen him portrayed in a couple Buffy Fanfics I've read, which I admit are not that many.

Most Buffy fanfics merely extrapolate logically based on Travers's canon actions.

Point: He withheld information from Giles on the fact another slayer had been called.
Point: He orders Buffy stripped of her abilities then locks her in a building with a very dangerous and possibly insane master vampire as a 'test' to see if she's worthy of being the slayer, fully knowing that this is nearly certanly going to kill her. After all, the 'test' had been discontinued until he reinstates it.
Point: He assigns the greenest, most likely to get people killed, rookie Watcher to be Faith and Buffy's new watcher.
Point: He withholds critical information during an apocalyptic sequence of events. Information that without it, could very well lead to the world's destruction... at best.

Honestly, throughout BtVS they keep saving the world despite the Watchers Council sabotaging them time and again. It's not hard to see that he was actively trying to get Buffy and company killed. After all, their continued success when a 'council raised' slayer didn't even last one year? It makes them look bad. I'd imagine he was relieved when Buffy died while stopping Glory. It meant he just had to deal with Faith and he'd get the next Slayer, one that might be easier to control this time.

Hell, the Watchers Council arranging things so Buffy would end up on the Hellmouth was likely an attempt to get her killed as well.
 
Stretching out atoms is an unusual way to describe things. Prestressing the bonds between atoms would likely be a better bet. The force which holds atoms together in a (chemical) structure is electro-magnetic. The strong nuclear force has to do with holding the (protons and neutrons of a) nucleus together, not atoms that make up the molecular structure of armour. The weak nuclear force is connected with radioactive decay, again of the nucleus. The nuclear forces operate at a scale way below that of the electromagnetic, about a 100 thousand, fermi rather than nano.

EDM may be getting its strength from the strong nuclear force...

Composite materials being particularly strong is something found widely in nature. If you can use mixes of metals and ceramics all sorts of possibilities may open up, while nature uses carbon/water/calcium to build stuff - look up mother-of-pearl, and the interesting ways bamboo gets to be so strong.


Yes well, i was reading the material about Exote in Swedish, translated from Finnish and then have to translate to English when writing(and while i AM a translator, i'm definitely not a technical translator), so imperfections just due to that is probably more than possible all by itself.
And bugger, i always manage to mix up the universal forces when writing of it, ridiculous and bloody annoying that i didn't check properly, i knew the ratio and thought it was too big a multiplier, but sleep deprivation can make you hasty... Thanks for noting it.

Ok, without using any of the proper names and very simple so i dont go OOPS again(because i really should be asleep by now), what the idea behind the material is(and several others like it) is, is to engineer the structure of it so that it maximizes the use of the stronger forces in play. Mostly by "squeezing" parts of the materials involved so that it is spread out in 2 dimensions and then layering those to overlap repeatedly in a very specific mesh. So instead of the impact force striking normally, it hits something much more difficult to crack apart, and so whatever delivered the force goes splat instead. Of course the obvious counter would be to use the same kind of materials engineering on whatever you use as projectiles, but apparently the limits on how the materials are made make them extremely difficult to make in any shapes except flat little bricks, so making projectiles the same way is currently far beyond anyone's capability, meaning that once someone figures out a way to make these materials practically useful, armour is going to take one big leap upwards in capability.

As in, the force keeping atoms together -> the force keeping molecules together -> the force keeping the material as a whole together.
Or in other words, it's more difficult to split molecules than the matter it is part of, and more difficult to split atoms than the molecules they make up(as long as it's the correct atoms and molecules of course).



I wouldn't be surprised about the Aliens fusion reactors using controlled gravity, as their ships have artificial gravity. Given the difference in tech from ours, FTL among other things, hard to know what the risk factors associated with their reactors are. The Aliens weapon tech is surprisingly primitive... Haven't even got things like gravity grenades...

And even just among some of the more unusual realworldreactors theorized already, there's some that can go very very boom.
And i really wish someone would figure out how to create artificial gravity, because then FTL would be very very likely to be possible.
 
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