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Someone needs to call together a meeting of The Shimmering Council
Anteaus
Snyder
Quark
Zilius Zox (Red Lantern)
Toad
Ship of Fools: A Taylor Varga Omake (Complete)
- Thread starter Derek M
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Someone needs to call together a meeting of The Shimmering Council
Anteaus
Snyder
Quark
Zilius Zox (Red Lantern)
Toad
FaerieKnight79
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Naw, just developed a taste for Subway sandwiches. The Family is likely somehow to blame. The Family and a certain Ship of Fools is likely to blame for them being kicked out of multiple realities too. And realized "Wait a second, if we cause the apocalypse here, which is our last Earth we have access to that we haven't already destroyed, then we can no longer eat these sandwiches."
Imagine Angel and company's abject confusion when they get wind of the Wolf, Ram, and Hart demanding Subway sandwiches as a weekly sacrifice. And that each of the three is quite picky about their sandwich.
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Hmm. I wonder if said dark masters have been evil overlords who failed and have come to the realization that the advice of a child they ignored is why. So, they've instructed their minions to sacrifice children hoping that they can get that advice back.
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Just a heads up;
The replicators can be made a non-threat more easily by helping Reese out...
She's somewhat similar to Dragon, but the replicators slipped her control. Even so, she's the best one to design a fix, since she made them!
(it would be a shame NOT to help her, so that her death is prevented. It was unnessesary, after all...)
I have this idea that Dragon, as an AI, is the perfect catalyst to achieve Direct Communication with the Shards...
At the same time they achive this, they would/could deal with her Restrictions
You had to ask one of the oldest questions in existance?
Which would be somewhat of an explanation for how it doesn't really have a 'Starting point'...
The replicators can be made a non-threat more easily by helping Reese out...
She's somewhat similar to Dragon, but the replicators slipped her control. Even so, she's the best one to design a fix, since she made them!
(it would be a shame NOT to help her, so that her death is prevented. It was unnessesary, after all...)
They're going to share this with Varga, right?
I have this idea that Dragon, as an AI, is the perfect catalyst to achieve Direct Communication with the Shards...
At the same time they achive this, they would/could deal with her Restrictions
Really?
You had to ask one of the oldest questions in existance?
Perhaps because of SoF Temporal Shenanigans?
A more recent comic (focusing on the Justice League) had mention of Some sort of Universal Cycle.
Which would be somewhat of an explanation for how it doesn't really have a 'Starting point'...
FaerieKnight79
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Hmm. I wonder if said dark masters have been evil overlords who failed and have come to the realization that the advice of a child they ignored is why. So, they've instructed their minions to sacrifice children hoping that they can get that advice back.
The problem here would be the fact that the children get sacrificed, thus are dead and unable to provide advice.
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There are various explanations about "advanced races" not interfering (including the "Prime Directive") that boil down to "they have to learn their own mistakes", or liken it to a parent letting a child take a chance (and maybe get a scrape or bump).
This, I don't know. It seems like the Ori interfering would be the exact time an advanced race should intervene...
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Maybe they did, with their bullshitium stealth systems, and we just never saw them. Aka "the reason why a barely-out-of-the-cradle humanity managed to win against galactic conqueror popes"
FaerieKnight79
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Naw, the Ancients kept screwing over the galaxy and punishing their members who dared to try doing something about the Ori. Ancient tech was used, true. But only because humans managed to track the stuff down, figure out how it works, and make a weapon. The fact that weapon also took out the Ancients? I consider that poetic.
Lycanthromancer
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Tautology! I mean, the head of an international cult that brainwashes all of its members isn't already going for this?
Though I suppose it IS a matter of scale.
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I always sort of suspected the Ori of being the origin of the Ancient plague and this was the reason for the advanced races silence as they didn't want the same happening to them.
Where does this come from, I can't recall it from the series or movies? I thought the weapon was detonated in the Ori galaxy and the effect was localised. If the effect of the weapon was universal then getting it through the supergate wouldn't have been necessary. Besides, at least one ancient survived to battle Adria so it couldn't have been.
Lycanthromancer
The Arcane Fuzz
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Wait. Ori?
girador
There are only four circles in this picture
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Wrong Ori think more along the lines ofWait. Ori?
than what you had there
Lycanthromancer
The Arcane Fuzz
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My cute little forest spirit is way cuter than that thing.Wrong Ori think more along the lines of
than what you had there
He'd probably kick its arse, too.
Nothing can beat the plucky, adorable protag, after all.
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Possible canon reasons why the Ancients from Stargate won't interfere on the mortal plane:
1) The most powerful or influential Ancients have become so disconnected from mortals that they're basically assholes.
2) The most powerful or influential Ancients were basically assholes in real life, and stayed that way after ascending.
3) The Ancients can't act without risking alerting the Ori to the Milky Way galaxy -- which was a bad thing when Jackson and Vala did it.
4) The Ancients, like the Asgard, have an enemy that is taking up so much of their time that they can't help. Maybe they have their own equivalent of Dormammu, Cthulhu, or the Outsiders from the Dresden-verse, and they can't share that because knowledge of them existing opens the door to bad things.
5) It's complicated, and some of the reasons can't be understood by mortals. This is kind of a cop-out answer, but may make the most logical sense if you consider ascended beings to be alien in the truest meaning of the term.
I always took it to be kind of a mix between 3 and 5, but 1 is an easy misinterpretation of the reality.
1) The most powerful or influential Ancients have become so disconnected from mortals that they're basically assholes.
2) The most powerful or influential Ancients were basically assholes in real life, and stayed that way after ascending.
3) The Ancients can't act without risking alerting the Ori to the Milky Way galaxy -- which was a bad thing when Jackson and Vala did it.
4) The Ancients, like the Asgard, have an enemy that is taking up so much of their time that they can't help. Maybe they have their own equivalent of Dormammu, Cthulhu, or the Outsiders from the Dresden-verse, and they can't share that because knowledge of them existing opens the door to bad things.
5) It's complicated, and some of the reasons can't be understood by mortals. This is kind of a cop-out answer, but may make the most logical sense if you consider ascended beings to be alien in the truest meaning of the term.
I always took it to be kind of a mix between 3 and 5, but 1 is an easy misinterpretation of the reality.
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5) sub part a) The author doesn't really feel that adding any scenes between the group, Varga, and the Ancients will add significantly to the story.
Was going to add a number 6, but 5 already covers it
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If only due to one Troll recognizing and tipping their hat at another card carrying member.
There are membership cards now? Are they assigned, applied for, or awarded?
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It started with "Sorry, but you are not a member, otherwise you'd have a card."
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After it started, it became fairly exclusive also. At least the multi-dimensional membership. You have to be added to the rolls by another member. Luckily Taylor was grandfathered in, because Varga had become a member a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away...
Or something like that
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In my own story "the Warcrafter," the Bored Omnipotent Beings who get involved are unable to directly intervene because of... well... bureaucracy. As the main BOB points out to the protagonist, his species is jillions of years old, hella crazy advanced, and has an extradimensional population numbering in trillions-- which makes for a rather complicated legal and governmental system. The protagonist trying to understand all the bureaucratic and legal intricacies involved would be like a primitive islander trying to understand the United States tax system.... in fact, the BOB complains that he doesn't understand half the rules and he LIVES with them.
Ace Dreamer
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I'm afraid I can't see any way that wouldn't involve a great deal of shouting, and nothing in particular happening...
Hmm. I wonder if said dark masters have been evil overlords who failed and have come to the realization that the advice of a child they ignored is why. So, they've instructed their minions to sacrifice children hoping that they can get that advice back.
The trick is to 'acquire' children who are orphans, put then in one of those worlds The Senior Partners can fake-up, with high quality care, then show your evil plans as cartoon shows to them. Add a few friends who discuss the shows. Then, take a deep breath, and be willing to accept any criticism of how bad the plot is.
You might say that they're 'farming' criticism.
You don't realise... They are forged. Every. Single. One. And, running bureaucracies that never quite grant the cards is fun. And, if the applicant doesn't figure it out, then, they're not a good enough troll.
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Ever one's giving the Ancients far far to much credit. They are the left over's of the leftovers. Not even 1% of the 1% of the species left.
They are the teachers, the janitors, some scared civilians, the crazy fucks not trusted with there own lab space. ect ect. Most of the race died to super plages, in other galaxy's, in huge war's. The leftovers made space vampires that started killing them off to. Then ever one worth something went and died fighting the wrath. The leftovers from that fled to earth, or suddenly with deep thought and self-study, they reached enlightenment.
Pfffft no. The chicken shits used to glow squid machine that was stashed next to the exploding tumors.
That's it, that's all there is to them. The bravest of them was a school teacher. A children's school teacher.
Those scene's they showed Danny of sitting around in a dinner, each one not doing jack shit? That's it. That's all of them exactly.
The problem with that is that there is no good lesson here. The Goa'uld have already interfered with the development of many "lesser races" and many other "lesser" human civilisations scattered across the galaxy. There's literally no good reason for the Nox to not interfere against the Goa'ulds, especially since its humans from Earth that were being taken. Humans that were more or less direct descendants from the Ancients, aka their old allies and friends. It's like seeing the great grandchild of your friend being kidnapped and abused yet doing absolutely nothing to prevent it let alone save them. Despite clearly having the ability to do so.
Which do you think is worst?
1. The action of enslaving and killing millions upon millions of lives.
Or
2. The inaction of doing anything at all to prevent such action from occurring.
Hell, even the Prime Directive from Star Trek allows interference if another advanced race has already interfered. If the Klingons or the Romulans directly attacked or interfered with a less advanced race, the Federation would move right along to stop it as the Prime Directive would already be broken.
Heh...in most cases, a cadet hand-delivering a message that could easily have been sent electronically might be a tad suspicious, but Boothby is exactly the kind of old coot to insist on it, and almost everyone who's passed through Starfleet in living memory knows it.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if Boothby has been the 'old coot groundskeeper' at Starfleet Academy since the day the ground was broken on the site the Academy was to be built on.
Yes, you have to let children learn from their mistakes.
This does not mean you let them play with a rattlesnake, or a live grenade, or the trigger for a nuke. That's just stupid.
The Ancients, Nox, etc. are just stupid.
Canonically didn't the Ancients not interfere due to fear of being worshipped as gods. Originally they started ascending through enlightenment. At that point the Ascended were beings of great power who lived in a higher dimension and grew stronger from worship AKA gods. At that point some of the less moral members discovered the sacrificial method and basically became assholes who demanded worship or smite the heretics. The resulting conflict split the Ancients along religious line with one being strict atheists (who we know) and the other becoming fanatics (Ori). This led to our side developing an aversion to interacting with mortals as a way to prevent worship.
I think they helped in the formation of the Free Jaffa Nation to an extent but the jaffa substituted the guoald for worshipping them which horrified them as a whole and lent credence to the site which advocated total withdrawal from the lower plane including not cleaning up their mess since the act of removing so much would again cause them to be viewed as gods.
Combine this with the immortals' tendency to lose touch with mortals and you have a situation where they'll only act if another Ascended does so in their territory
I think they helped in the formation of the Free Jaffa Nation to an extent but the jaffa substituted the guoald for worshipping them which horrified them as a whole and lent credence to the site which advocated total withdrawal from the lower plane including not cleaning up their mess since the act of removing so much would again cause them to be viewed as gods.
Combine this with the immortals' tendency to lose touch with mortals and you have a situation where they'll only act if another Ascended does so in their territory
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