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I agree. More speed is a big advantage against just about anyone.
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I agree. More speed is a big advantage against just about anyone.
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Our stamina is an aggregate of our chakra control and our chakra capacity; it doesn't really make a difference if Sasuke has tiny reserves and incredible control or large reserves and shoddy control; his effective chakra capacity was somewhere around 200 to our 900.
We're on our way to being Shunshin no Shisui 2.0 (and we can use that 900 times without the FHS), and ninjutsu specialists are a thing anyway. If we get our Taijutsu (and Strength) up to a decent level (B-rank is probably sufficient for a while) and make having a back-up sword explicit, we'll have covered our bases pretty thoroughly.
Between our pay and the Uchiha weapons caches we unearthed, we're lavishly armed.
Not an issue.
Those times don't include when you're in combat and somehow lost your sword though.
I'd rather get a couple other things up to A-rank for the perks.
Ninjutsu and Fuinjutsu both cost almost the same and give a broader increase in capabilities.
And it costs ~130 points to get them both to A-rank, which is almost the same cost to get Speed to S-rank.
Then there's Kenjutsu.
And on a thematic level, I have concerns about Hisana hitting S-rank Speed too soon.
Same as with hitting S-rank anything else.
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DarkKing98
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I'll be honest, I'd love it if we could grab everything to A-rank by the time Shippuden is supposed to start and one or two S-Rank skills along with it. With how skilled Hisana is at the current moment with her stats, being a solid A-rank Shinobi at least will help alot.
If given the choice, I'd up Fuinjutsu up to A rank first. Helps with improving all of our seals.
Ah yes, Kenjutsu. The one other stat I'd love to hit S rank with along with Speed by the time the Akustki come around. Assuming they are coming.
I understand the concern about hitting S rank with any stat too soon. But if you ask me, it'd make sense if we hit that rank with Speed first from a thematic stand point because, as much of being a generalist I'd love to be, Speed seems to be Hisana's primary specialty, beyond that of Kenjutsu even. So us hitting S-rank in two or three months in story wouldn't bother me. Would that be ok with you? Or does that still rub you the wrong way?
I don't have a strong preference about what stat hits S-class first, and in what order; that's for whoever contributes XP to worry about.
Just concerns about when it does so.
Plot and thematics.
While there are at least two living Uchiha who hit S-class around our PC's age(Itachi and Obito) both were Mangy Eye users and had certain other advantages to draw on. We aren't in that same league, nor do we have an ancient sensei to consult, or a half-Senju body.
DarkKing98
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True enough. But still, I personally would prefer speed. But that's neither here nor there.
Just because we'd have one S-class stat doesn't instantly make us S-class. No, I'd argue that's something you need a solid foundation of other skills and a second, or maybe third, S-class skill as well to achieve that status.
But hey, I may just be wrong about that.
Clearly we are slacking, and need to do something about this.
It's not like we can't steal a Senju corpse and use it's DNA to modify ourselves, and there's lots of Ancient Sensei out there...
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I don't have an issue with Hisana getting S-rank speed because the Lightning Blood Seal provides an explanation for it.
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Also, having just that single skill reach S-rank implies a certain disposition towards speed that wouldn't look out of place among other prodigies. They'd just be like "There goes Hisana, Shisui 2.0". On the other hand, if we got crazily good at a number of skills such that we have multiple S-class abilities, it'd look weird IC.
I don't think S-rank speed out of nowhere is any more strange than elite jounin level speed out of nowhere, really. The achievements sort of blur together at that point, such that the only people able to tell the difference would just chalk it up to our already demonstrated skill improvements in that area.
So yeah, i don't see a reason to wait around on that front besides efficient allocation of XP, such as purchasing A-ranks in other areas beforehand. Speed should be upgraded to S-rank ASAP.
I don't think S-rank speed out of nowhere is any more strange than elite jounin level speed out of nowhere, really. The achievements sort of blur together at that point, such that the only people able to tell the difference would just chalk it up to our already demonstrated skill improvements in that area.
So yeah, i don't see a reason to wait around on that front besides efficient allocation of XP, such as purchasing A-ranks in other areas beforehand. Speed should be upgraded to S-rank ASAP.
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DarkKing98
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Bluntly speaking, I'm only ok with the title of Shisui 2.0 for now. I want to be the fourth person to gain the title God Of Shinobi. But that may be a bit ambitious.
Wonder what we'd get for S-rank speed. Besides the fact that it'd probably be what we get as our first title from other villages.
Anyways! I agree we should get S-rank speed soon. But for efficiency sake, what do you think we should A-rank next? Personally, I'd go for Fuinjutsu or Iryojutsu.
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Fuinjutsu sounds good for Next!A-rank.
After all, it's the method through which we achieve all of our unique or semi-unique bullshit.
After all, it's the method through which we achieve all of our unique or semi-unique bullshit.
DarkKing98
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On the other hand, I have to wonder if our Iryojutsu rank helps effect how we improve our Lightning Blood Seal.
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Probably genjutsu. It would be fun to pull off more of the same bullshit Itachi does, and Orochimaru is strangely vulnerable to Sharingan genjutsu.
DarkKing98
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To my memory, first time he just didn't expect it. And the time with Sasuke, assuming he used Sharigan genjutsu then, was when Orochimaru was weakened so much that Sasuke actually had a chance.
But yeah, that genjutsu with a finger thing is amazing. And that was at 30% power too.
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I get your meaning, but i want to point out that you're massively underestimating Shisui's reputation.
DarkKing98
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Ok. I underestimated his reputation. I did not think people were so scared of him they fled. But, I never underestimated his badassness. I swear to god being called the man's second coming is high praise and a signal of how much a badass that person is. It's why I'm fine with that.
But, God of Shinobi have had the likes of Hashirama being associated with it. And that's a big praise in and of itself.
Thing one counteracts thing two of what you want dude. Because the second is just pulling a Zabuza. Just with a much smaller sword.
Also, we aren't imitating people. We are taking what works from several people and see what works for us.
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This.
For all i say "Second coming of X" I only mean in the very, very short term. I expect we will soon be creating our own reputation on par with the movers and shakers of the world.
We will not be in anyone's shadow for long.
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Agreed. At first we'll be comparable to, most likely, Shisui depending on how much we abuse our Lightning Blood Seal, but eventually we will forge our own rep.
Speaking of Shisui though, I'd love to see an omake of him and Hisana talking somehow. Maybe also a spar between the two as well? I dunno. I am just interested to see how others would think how that chat would go.
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Once we have S-Rank Speed and S-Rank Kenjustu, I think they're just going to straight up call us 'The Shadow of Death'.
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I just realized something. It's based on an if, but if that if is true...well, we are in trouble.
If Orochimaru does in fact have canon knowledge like you guys were worried about, it makes sense why he's still doing the invasion. He'll copy steps he prefers so that he'll eventually get that Zetsu body he desires. Those things are immortal, right? If so, then by god that man is playing a long game. While probably throwing a rogue element or two into it for the lulz.
There are a few things he needs to happen though for that Zetsu body. Primarily getting Kabuto to set off Shinobi World War Four.
So, if what you guys feared back in the second exam is correct, and want to prevent that war, well, good luck. Cuz we'll need it.
If Orochimaru does in fact have canon knowledge like you guys were worried about, it makes sense why he's still doing the invasion. He'll copy steps he prefers so that he'll eventually get that Zetsu body he desires. Those things are immortal, right? If so, then by god that man is playing a long game. While probably throwing a rogue element or two into it for the lulz.
There are a few things he needs to happen though for that Zetsu body. Primarily getting Kabuto to set off Shinobi World War Four.
So, if what you guys feared back in the second exam is correct, and want to prevent that war, well, good luck. Cuz we'll need it.
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Maybe. Although I have another theory about the invasion that means Orochimaru is about to die.
What if the trenchcoat ninjas are working for the Shinigami, and it reincarnated Mary into Hisana by mistake, intending to reincarnate someone else? In addition to explaining how they know Hisana is Mary, this gives them an obvious reason to support Orochimaru's invasion and to generally make things follow canon up to this point: the Shinigami will get to devour the souls of the First, Second, and Third Hokages. In addition, if trenchcoat ninjas are the ones maintaining the barrier, they can drop it and attack Orochimaru at the last second, giving Hiruzen the opportunity to yank out Orochimaru's soul so the Shinigami can have that too.
What if the trenchcoat ninjas are working for the Shinigami, and it reincarnated Mary into Hisana by mistake, intending to reincarnate someone else? In addition to explaining how they know Hisana is Mary, this gives them an obvious reason to support Orochimaru's invasion and to generally make things follow canon up to this point: the Shinigami will get to devour the souls of the First, Second, and Third Hokages. In addition, if trenchcoat ninjas are the ones maintaining the barrier, they can drop it and attack Orochimaru at the last second, giving Hiruzen the opportunity to yank out Orochimaru's soul so the Shinigami can have that too.
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Fascinating theory. If it weren't for the fact of how damn near immortal Orochimaru. He has more resurrection plans than either Madara or Zetsu had! Still, it's a fascinating idea.
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So i was wondering, what if we worked on creating a large extension of chakra centred around our sword, which is both very wide, very long and shaped like a cone tipped 3d cylinder?
This chakra construct would be similar in size to a van, or even a bus, allowing for a very large surface area overall which we can swipe left and right whilst swinging our sword. This chakra construct wouldn't have to be very strong, but the most important thing is that it maintains it's shape whilst in motion, achieving nothing but staying intact on our blade.
Then, we could infuse that chakra construct with the chakra draining jutsu, allowing it to completely absorb any technique that passes through it. The large volume and surface area means that a larger amount of chakra will be drained per second, and as the attack penetrates our wall of chakra it's rate of absorption will increase. Further, this already large amount of chakra drainage will become faster per increase in chakra density, to a higher extent than if you increased the density in a normal sword-sized chakra construct. As a result, the scaling of chakra absorption rate per control improvement will be much more potent and powerful as we move into S-class territory or higher, allowing for absorption of techniques that scale alongside our own power level.
Do you think this would be sufficient to swallow up whole jutsus and transfer the captured chakra directly into Hisana's coils? It would be like an instant mid-fight power-up/hax jutsu nullifier, as no chakra whatsoever is wasted in the process of blocking the incoming jutsu. I could see this even working gainst tailed beast bombs if we upgrade it's size and density to a high enough level.
It would act like a gigantic, incorporeal Samehada; The chakra is absorbed as it passes through the external constructs' wide, chakra-filled interior, rather than whilst touching our weapon's surface.
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Maybe we could even apply our previously developed chakra force-field to the back of this technique, preventing any incoming jutsu from passing all the way through our drainage construct thanks to speed or penetration power.
Any attacks that might otherwise have escaped complete drainage would get stuck inside of our absorption field and lose momentum after hitting this wall, rapidly dissolving into nothing as it becomes completely immobile amidst dense, draining chakra.
This chakra construct would be similar in size to a van, or even a bus, allowing for a very large surface area overall which we can swipe left and right whilst swinging our sword. This chakra construct wouldn't have to be very strong, but the most important thing is that it maintains it's shape whilst in motion, achieving nothing but staying intact on our blade.
Then, we could infuse that chakra construct with the chakra draining jutsu, allowing it to completely absorb any technique that passes through it. The large volume and surface area means that a larger amount of chakra will be drained per second, and as the attack penetrates our wall of chakra it's rate of absorption will increase. Further, this already large amount of chakra drainage will become faster per increase in chakra density, to a higher extent than if you increased the density in a normal sword-sized chakra construct. As a result, the scaling of chakra absorption rate per control improvement will be much more potent and powerful as we move into S-class territory or higher, allowing for absorption of techniques that scale alongside our own power level.
Do you think this would be sufficient to swallow up whole jutsus and transfer the captured chakra directly into Hisana's coils? It would be like an instant mid-fight power-up/hax jutsu nullifier, as no chakra whatsoever is wasted in the process of blocking the incoming jutsu. I could see this even working gainst tailed beast bombs if we upgrade it's size and density to a high enough level.
It would act like a gigantic, incorporeal Samehada; The chakra is absorbed as it passes through the external constructs' wide, chakra-filled interior, rather than whilst touching our weapon's surface.
Edit:
Maybe we could even apply our previously developed chakra force-field to the back of this technique, preventing any incoming jutsu from passing all the way through our drainage construct thanks to speed or penetration power.
Any attacks that might otherwise have escaped complete drainage would get stuck inside of our absorption field and lose momentum after hitting this wall, rapidly dissolving into nothing as it becomes completely immobile amidst dense, draining chakra.
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DarkKing98
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Sorry dude, but that sounds like a massive cost of chakra for the construct alone. Adding two other Jutsu to it would be an even further drain. Especially the latter. Also, we would have to create the first technique and then fuse the three together. So, no. I do not think it's possible. At least, not without a year of grinding it at least and a much larger reserve to keep it going for longer than three seconds.