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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

Please endeavour to be cordial. :^)
 
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Also, reference I didn't realize I was making until someone on a Discord server told me, but we've basically made Female Dwarf!Nuada Silver-hand from Celtic Myth. And he's got some awesome stories related to him and Cu Chulainn so, unexpected source of amusement.


I'd have preferred Waking, Forged Limb, and Empowerment, but I can live with Stone on the arm quite happily.

The legs seem like a random unthematic grab bag, though, to be honest.
Clearly you must not have seen my reasoning for them, or don't agree with it, but I can't help that.
 
I has a slight preference for Norgrim, but Ylva is still an excellent choice. Which reminds me, I need to update the roster.

There is a lovely silver lining though.

HAMMER OF YEETING AHOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!

:V
 
One of the things that I am happy about regarding having Ylva as our Champion is this provides a really good impetus to creating that Matron banner that people have talked about for a bit now. Also, given our recent findings regarding Hearthstones, we could probably make a pretty swell banner. Especially if we wait a bit and work on figuring out that last rune on the basket Valya gave us.
 
One of the things that I am happy about regarding having Ylva as our Champion is this provides a really good impetus to creating that Matron banner that people have talked about for a bit now. Also, given our recent findings regarding Hearthstones, we could probably make a pretty swell banner. Especially if we wait a bit and work on figuring out that last rune on the basket Valya gave us.

So, our three Hearth Guard banners would be:

MGrimnir, Brotherhood, Fate,

MTraversal, Speed, Strollaz(Endurance)

And something centered on MValaya?

I'd be down for that.
 
So, our three Hearth Guard banners would be:

MGrimnir, Brotherhood, Fate,

MTraversal, Speed, Strollaz(Endurance)

And something centered on MValaya?

I'd be down for that.
I'm going to bet that Valaya's basket runes will be useful for that third banner. The loadbearing one might be sketchy but the healing one sounds like a good one to have when they're going around rescuing people. If the loadbearing one is actually more like an morale or endurance variant it could be useful.
 
So, our three Hearth Guard banners would be:

MGrimnir, Brotherhood, Fate,

MTraversal, Speed, Strollaz(Endurance)

And something centered on MValaya?

I'd be down for that.
The original idea when I suggested the Matron banner was to use a Master Rune of Unyielding, Banner Version, on it. That'd still work quite well, but it'd have a different tenor than what the project was initially for. Instead of being about healing and such directly it'd be about these elder dwarves presenting an Unyielding pillar for the community, in line with their deed trait Pillars in the Darkness.

Honestly with how Soul has talked about Unyielding and Vitality, Vitality is probably a better choice for my initial idea for the Matron's Banner where it was meant to be a gift to Moira and the Valayans. The Unyielding version would be much better for the Hearthguard, since we don't have to worry about the steelskin part.
 
So, our three Hearth Guard banners would be:

MGrimnir, Brotherhood, Fate,

MTraversal, Speed, Strollaz(Endurance)

And something centered on MValaya?

I'd be down for that.
I'd love to try a banner along the lines of:

Sound, Courage and either Determination or maybe Grungni or some other ancestor particularly associated with grumbling

The goal is a grumbling barrier which carries the soothing grumbling of the dwarf holding it (the eldest in the hearthguard) to all the dwarves in range.
 
The original idea when I suggested the Matron banner was to use a Master Rune of Unyielding, Banner Version, on it. That'd still work quite well, but it'd have a different tenor than what the project was initially for. Instead of being about healing and such directly it'd be about these elder dwarves presenting an Unyielding pillar for the community, in line with their deed trait Pillars in the Darkness.

Honestly with how Soul has talked about Unyielding and Vitality, Vitality is probably a better choice for my initial idea for the Matron's Banner where it was meant to be a gift to Moira and the Valayans. The Unyielding version would be much better for the Hearthguard, since we don't have to worry about the steelskin part.

All of those seem like good potential ideas. I like the Matron banner to round out the set. The Grimnir one to represent skill and wisdom, the traversal their physical strength and drive, and the matron banner to represent their compassion and protectiveness.
 
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I'd love to try a banner along the lines of:

Sound, Courage and either Determination or maybe Grungni or some other ancestor particularly associated with grumbling

The goal is a grumbling barrier which carries the soothing grumbling of the dwarf holding it (the eldest in the hearthguard) to all the dwarves in range.
Unyielding, Sound, Courage? Throwing something weird out there.
 
I think that it's rather premature to decide on banner and similar combinations for the Hearthguard.

We have a huge amount of research to do. We've been putting off our major research projects for a long, long time now. And we keep finding new ones, things that may well change our choices here.

For example, one thing that would be really interesting for the Hearthguard would whatever we get from Happening of Things. We're setting up a troubleshooting organisation, and it would be incredibly useful to get hints of where trouble will happen in advance.

Similarly, Mind of Things could lead to interesting developments with the Rune of Brotherhood.
 
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I'd love to try a banner along the lines of:

Sound, Courage and either Determination or maybe Grungni or some other ancestor particularly associated with grumbling

The goal is a grumbling barrier which carries the soothing grumbling of the dwarf holding it (the eldest in the hearthguard) to all the dwarves in range.
Actually: Stoicism (because it directly references ancestors), Sound, Courage might make a Grumbling Banner. Since its (The Ancestors are with me), (I can hear them), (they give me courage). Or something like that potentially?
 
Actually: Stoicism (because it directly references ancestors), Sound, Courage might make a Grumbling Banner. Since its (The Ancestors are with me), (I can hear them), (they give me courage). Or something like that potentially?
That seems good to me, it probably wouldn't be the most powerful or impactful banner but I think it would be a neat thing to make and could give a nice master rune.
 
Why did people go for master rune of waking on the arm? Missed the last 10 pages of discussion, but given that's the rune of create gronti it seems an odd choice. I assume there's some reasoning to it, but cannot figure it out. What are we thinking the effect will be here?
 
Why did people go for master rune of waking on the arm? Missed the last 10 pages of discussion, but given that's the rune of create gronti it seems an odd choice. I assume there's some reasoning to it, but cannot figure it out. What are we thinking the effect will be here?
Waking gives life to items, as we know from our studies, and tries to optimize the item in question to its design. We found this out trading with Lorna. My idea was that it would make the arm more "lifelike". I was hoping for a Hearthstone inside it, but this will do.

Also it forms a phrase, like Mountainsouled was "Unyielding Fortitude of Stone." Waking/Forged Limb/Stone is "Awaken the Limb of Stone" with Stone meaning Dawi. Hopefully.
 
Also something worth considering is that there is a connection between the Rune of Forged Limb and Master Rune of Waking.

[ ] The Mind of Things Pt. 3: [Cost: (10 -3) =7 actions] Journeyman of the Odd and Mind for Constructs will proc. The Rune of Forged Limb has made you curious. Due mostly to the fact that it shares a seemingly unnecessary connection to the Master Rune of Waking and a whole host of other Runes. What exactly lies behind such a concept? Understanding the connection between mind and body, and how Runes play into such a thing could prove valuable, perhaps even key, to not only for future prosthetics but maybe even more esoteric avenues of research. Bah, who's to say?
So there should be some kind of interaction between them, on top of the fact that our Master Rune of Waking makes gronti with improved strength and dexterity, and the lesser Rune of Animation derived from it can do stuff like animate the arm of a statue or a lever.
 
Ngl I'm really hyped for a good solid few turns of us just smashing through the research. Whatever piece of personal gear we make after is going to be something to see.
 
One thing I'm hoping for during the next update is scenes of Snorri interacting with Orra. She's one of the few remaining members of the royal family we haven't seen on screen much, unlike Gloin and Gimli and Otrek.
 
Ha, I think we can get a consensus not to get more apprentices until we have some alchemy work done that we can teach them.

Now, are we doing weapon or amulet for Gimli?
 
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