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Respect Your Elders v2 - Galactic Boogaloo [Warhammer Lizardmen Quest]
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- He/Him
- Asur of Ulthuan: You know much of the early stages of elf history, with the slann having instructed much of them in magic. Isendral may be interested.
- Gods of the Eldar: Isendral's goddess Isha is much, much stronger than Sotek or Ayotzl at present. It would be beneficial to learn more of her, and any fellows she may have.
Even if the Lizardmen don't know much about the specifics of their gods, they probably know the bare bone facts in Asur history: what the Everqueen is, that Aenarion stepped into the fires of Asuryan and wielded the Sword of Khaine, etc. I believe there is some potential for synchronization, as well as being a relatively safe topic to talk about.
- Gods of the Eldar: Isendral's goddess Isha is much, much stronger than Sotek or Ayotzl at present. It would be beneficial to learn more of her, and any fellows she may have.
Even if the Lizardmen don't know much about the specifics of their gods, they probably know the bare bone facts in Asur history: what the Everqueen is, that Aenarion stepped into the fires of Asuryan and wielded the Sword of Khaine, etc. I believe there is some potential for synchronization, as well as being a relatively safe topic to talk about.
I would definitely talk about the Gods of the Eldar both since Isendral is sure to like talking about Isha if none of the other. But also it might give us understanding of the gods, and discount the first tier of unlocks for them.
CuttleFish2.0
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Right, Ok. It's morning, so time to cover things a little more in depth on the topic of our questions and answer session with Isendral:
Things To Tell (Choose One):
This is all the stuff we literall'y can't tell her yet. Pretty self-explanatory, we need to build up to it.
Next is the stuff that I don't think we should tell her about yet. We'll get to why in a second.
The stuff I think we should prioritize. Why to follow below.
First, why I don't think we should tell Isendral stuff about Elves yet; primarily because we don't know how she's going to react to the latter. I think before we start spilling the beans about having met people like hers before (sort of) we should get a better feel of who Isendral is as a person. I think the default Eldar response would range somewhere between thinking that we met some weirdo colony that descended into primitivism, another species that merely coincidentally 'happened' to look like Eldar, or thinking we were lying by trying to claim some sort of ancient 'knowledge' of the Eldar. We don't know her well enough to gauge where on that spectrum she'll fall or if she might even buck it entirely and be more open minded.
Emotional reactions to the above thoughts could vary wildly. Warmbloods are... overly attached to the cultural mythos they construct around their history and placement in the world and disrupting that is not necessarily to our benefit at the moment. Talking about Mallus in general is less of an issue but also an avenue likely to invite questions, and I would more like to be as open and honest with Isendral about the stuff we do tell her rather than hide stuff connected to it; when we do talk about Mallus I would actually like the Elves of Ulthuan to be part of that conversations, but as I weant to hold off on them I think for the tiem beign we should hold off on mallus conversations.
Lastly for the 'shouldn't' section; the Enemy. I think this is a place where we should be delicate. We don't know what she knows about Chaos, so immediately jumping to the best methods of combatting it seems presumptuous and a somewhat risky proposition that might get us into trouble. Granted, the only way way we can't ask is by asking her about the Enemy in turn (and I would assume, first) but I actually want to use that question as a sort of gauge on its own (I'll explain further along) so I think we should hold off on this.
Now, onto what I think we should be telling Isendral right off without reservations.
'Our Time Here' is free and pretty basic. We've already been pretty open with her about our activities and I see no reason to stop that, especially as it gets us an extra question of our own. Easy.
Telling her about the basic conditions of the northern mountain and it's probably causes is another easy one, I'm fairly sure we've already told her a bit about its condition and going further into that is a good opportunity to gain some trust I would think. That said, we haven't done very much to deliberately investigate the ship lodged inside the mountain so there's going to be a limited amount we can actually tell her about it. I think it might behoove us to hold off on this until we have more to offer on the topic.
Which just leaves telling her about the forthcoming (unknown to both ourselves and her) Birth of Slaanesh. Now given her power and ability I actually kind of doubt she's unaware of the 'storm' brewing entirely, but we don't know how much she's paid attention to it; telling her about it both gives us an opportunity to gain trust and demonstrate our own knowledge/ability. Demonstrating to Isnedral that this is both something we pay attention to and can activley sense while not having left the planet's surface is a valuable tool, plus it provides and opening into the topic I'm really interested in (which, again I'll get into further along).
Things To Learn:
I think these questions are likely to be gated behind Trust ratings we don't have yet.
These are things that are interesting, but not high priority.
You'll notice many of these things appear in two of the lists, that's because there's some genuine uncertainty on our part about what she's willing to share. I'll cover the topics in... whatever order seems best.
You'll also notice the only thing in the 'Must' section is our question about the Enemy. That's because figuring out what the Eldar know about Chaos is key to figuring out what exactly is going on with Chaos itself at the moment; and that will tell us something vital about the nature of Chaos; we have never known a time when there were not four Chaos Gods and yet we find ourselves in exactly those circumstances. This is an entirely novel situation with no grounding in our existing worldview. Figuring out what's going on there is vital.
Moreover, asking tells Isendral something about our priorities. And her answer will tell us a lot about her own. Even if she refuses to tell us anything, how she refuses might very well be very illuminative. There's a chance it's not something she'll be willing to share yet (we after all are not entirely willing to share our own knowledge of the Enemy without asking her in turn), but that's a chance I think we should take. Now onto the rest of the topics.
On all the things Elder; I don't think we should ask about these yet. Partly because I think asking both of these questions without divulging our own history might invite suspicion from her, but also because... well I don't think they're as interesting as other options or as useful. Asking after the Old Ones reveals a little too much I think given how little we trust her so far. And both the Psychic Golems and Missing Predator options are probably too sensitive for her to be comfortable talking about with us; the Golems are likely to be an extension of herself in a very real sense and so knowing more about them makes them a vulnerability possibly and well, warmbloods get very emotionally attached their romantic partners and talking about them is a deeply personal conversation.
Mocvhantia's nature, the Ayacmanik's, and her purpose on the planet are all interconnected and while very interesting from a standpoint of figuring out the planet's mysteries I'm not overly concerned with diving into them immediately. She has already talked about them a bit here and there though so I think she would be willing to discuss them (though I think her Purpose might maybe be gated behind a slightly higher trust rating). That only leaves the Gods of the Eldar, now while the value of this is actually somewhat lower in the immediate sense than some of the other options above there are a couple of points that I think raise its value as a topic in relation to the rest of what I think is most important to ask her immediately.
First off, Isendral is a devotee of Isha. Possibly a Priestess of some kind. Maybe not though. I'm fairly sure though that she'll be relatively knowledgeable about the Gods, moreover I think she'll feel comfortable talking about them, being something far from the topics that she is mostly likely to be anxious about (her husband mostly). There's also a bit of synergy with the other questions and topics I want to cover. For most Warmbloods, their gods are intimately connected with their ability to combat and protect themselves from the Enemy so asking about them at the same time as we ask about the Enemy and tell her about the 'Growing Storm' makes a certain amount of sense. It also gives her additional insight into our own priorities.
To that end I propose this slate of Topics/Questions:
[X] Plan It's about the Warp, Doncha Know
- [X] Our Time Here (Free)
- [X] The Growing Storm
- [X] Gods of the Eldar
- [X] The Enemy
Things To Tell (Choose One):
This is all the stuff we literall'y can't tell her yet. Pretty self-explanatory, we need to build up to it.
Can't said:
Next is the stuff that I don't think we should tell her about yet. We'll get to why in a second.
Shouldn't said:
The stuff I think we should prioritize. Why to follow below.
Should said:
First, why I don't think we should tell Isendral stuff about Elves yet; primarily because we don't know how she's going to react to the latter. I think before we start spilling the beans about having met people like hers before (sort of) we should get a better feel of who Isendral is as a person. I think the default Eldar response would range somewhere between thinking that we met some weirdo colony that descended into primitivism, another species that merely coincidentally 'happened' to look like Eldar, or thinking we were lying by trying to claim some sort of ancient 'knowledge' of the Eldar. We don't know her well enough to gauge where on that spectrum she'll fall or if she might even buck it entirely and be more open minded.
Emotional reactions to the above thoughts could vary wildly. Warmbloods are... overly attached to the cultural mythos they construct around their history and placement in the world and disrupting that is not necessarily to our benefit at the moment. Talking about Mallus in general is less of an issue but also an avenue likely to invite questions, and I would more like to be as open and honest with Isendral about the stuff we do tell her rather than hide stuff connected to it; when we do talk about Mallus I would actually like the Elves of Ulthuan to be part of that conversations, but as I weant to hold off on them I think for the tiem beign we should hold off on mallus conversations.
Lastly for the 'shouldn't' section; the Enemy. I think this is a place where we should be delicate. We don't know what she knows about Chaos, so immediately jumping to the best methods of combatting it seems presumptuous and a somewhat risky proposition that might get us into trouble. Granted, the only way way we can't ask is by asking her about the Enemy in turn (and I would assume, first) but I actually want to use that question as a sort of gauge on its own (I'll explain further along) so I think we should hold off on this.
Now, onto what I think we should be telling Isendral right off without reservations.
'Our Time Here' is free and pretty basic. We've already been pretty open with her about our activities and I see no reason to stop that, especially as it gets us an extra question of our own. Easy.
Telling her about the basic conditions of the northern mountain and it's probably causes is another easy one, I'm fairly sure we've already told her a bit about its condition and going further into that is a good opportunity to gain some trust I would think. That said, we haven't done very much to deliberately investigate the ship lodged inside the mountain so there's going to be a limited amount we can actually tell her about it. I think it might behoove us to hold off on this until we have more to offer on the topic.
Which just leaves telling her about the forthcoming (unknown to both ourselves and her) Birth of Slaanesh. Now given her power and ability I actually kind of doubt she's unaware of the 'storm' brewing entirely, but we don't know how much she's paid attention to it; telling her about it both gives us an opportunity to gain trust and demonstrate our own knowledge/ability. Demonstrating to Isnedral that this is both something we pay attention to and can activley sense while not having left the planet's surface is a valuable tool, plus it provides and opening into the topic I'm really interested in (which, again I'll get into further along).
Things To Learn:
I think these questions are likely to be gated behind Trust ratings we don't have yet.
Maybe Can't said:
These are things that are interesting, but not high priority.
The things I think are absolutely vital to know as soon as possible.Interesting said:
Must said:
You'll notice many of these things appear in two of the lists, that's because there's some genuine uncertainty on our part about what she's willing to share. I'll cover the topics in... whatever order seems best.
You'll also notice the only thing in the 'Must' section is our question about the Enemy. That's because figuring out what the Eldar know about Chaos is key to figuring out what exactly is going on with Chaos itself at the moment; and that will tell us something vital about the nature of Chaos; we have never known a time when there were not four Chaos Gods and yet we find ourselves in exactly those circumstances. This is an entirely novel situation with no grounding in our existing worldview. Figuring out what's going on there is vital.
Moreover, asking tells Isendral something about our priorities. And her answer will tell us a lot about her own. Even if she refuses to tell us anything, how she refuses might very well be very illuminative. There's a chance it's not something she'll be willing to share yet (we after all are not entirely willing to share our own knowledge of the Enemy without asking her in turn), but that's a chance I think we should take. Now onto the rest of the topics.
On all the things Elder; I don't think we should ask about these yet. Partly because I think asking both of these questions without divulging our own history might invite suspicion from her, but also because... well I don't think they're as interesting as other options or as useful. Asking after the Old Ones reveals a little too much I think given how little we trust her so far. And both the Psychic Golems and Missing Predator options are probably too sensitive for her to be comfortable talking about with us; the Golems are likely to be an extension of herself in a very real sense and so knowing more about them makes them a vulnerability possibly and well, warmbloods get very emotionally attached their romantic partners and talking about them is a deeply personal conversation.
Mocvhantia's nature, the Ayacmanik's, and her purpose on the planet are all interconnected and while very interesting from a standpoint of figuring out the planet's mysteries I'm not overly concerned with diving into them immediately. She has already talked about them a bit here and there though so I think she would be willing to discuss them (though I think her Purpose might maybe be gated behind a slightly higher trust rating). That only leaves the Gods of the Eldar, now while the value of this is actually somewhat lower in the immediate sense than some of the other options above there are a couple of points that I think raise its value as a topic in relation to the rest of what I think is most important to ask her immediately.
First off, Isendral is a devotee of Isha. Possibly a Priestess of some kind. Maybe not though. I'm fairly sure though that she'll be relatively knowledgeable about the Gods, moreover I think she'll feel comfortable talking about them, being something far from the topics that she is mostly likely to be anxious about (her husband mostly). There's also a bit of synergy with the other questions and topics I want to cover. For most Warmbloods, their gods are intimately connected with their ability to combat and protect themselves from the Enemy so asking about them at the same time as we ask about the Enemy and tell her about the 'Growing Storm' makes a certain amount of sense. It also gives her additional insight into our own priorities.
To that end I propose this slate of Topics/Questions:
[X] Plan It's about the Warp, Doncha Know
- [X] Our Time Here (Free)
- [X] The Growing Storm
- [X] Gods of the Eldar
- [X] The Enemy
Professor Vesca
Good News Everyone!
I think she knows, vaguely, that we have met people like hers long long long ago. She knows we can speak her language. She also knows the version we speak is very very very very old and archaic. So she knows we were involved in some fashion in Eldar history at some point in our existence.
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[X] Plan It's about the Warp, Doncha Know
- [X] Our Time Here (Free)
- [X] The Growing Storm
- [X] Gods of the Eldar
- [X] The Enemy
[X] Plan Be Like The Waterfall
-[X] General Ayacmanik engagement policy for all legions: Engage When Necessary.
-[X] Legion of Xlanhuapec (holding Muukhexla):
--[X] Preserve Lizardmen Forces
--[X] Chakax is to Hold the Line
--[X] Slann are to Nuke and Counterspell
-[X] Legion of Tlaxtlan (outside Muukhexla):
--[X] Elastic Defense
--[X] Teninhuan is to Prepare the Battlefield. Knowing Teninhuan, this will probably involve a lot of snakes.
--[X] Slann are to Nuke and Counterspell
-[X] Legion of Hexoatl (outside Muukhexla):
--[X] Elastic Defense
--[X] Tiktaq'to is to Disrupt Enemy Rear Areas by coordinating long range bombardment assets (including air power).
--[X] Slann are to Nuke and Counterspell
-[X] Legion of Itza (Falling Upon The Foe):
--[X] Elimination of High Value Targets
--[X] Kroq-Gar is to Duel Enemy Leaders
--[X] 5 Slannpower coordinate with the Scry and Spy slann hopefully still watching for Gardakka and teleport kill-teams on top of him.
--[X] All remaining slannpower to provide Mobility Assistance
- [X] Our Time Here (Free)
- [X] The Growing Storm
- [X] Gods of the Eldar
- [X] The Enemy
[X] Plan Be Like The Waterfall
-[X] General Ayacmanik engagement policy for all legions: Engage When Necessary.
-[X] Legion of Xlanhuapec (holding Muukhexla):
--[X] Preserve Lizardmen Forces
--[X] Chakax is to Hold the Line
--[X] Slann are to Nuke and Counterspell
-[X] Legion of Tlaxtlan (outside Muukhexla):
--[X] Elastic Defense
--[X] Teninhuan is to Prepare the Battlefield. Knowing Teninhuan, this will probably involve a lot of snakes.
--[X] Slann are to Nuke and Counterspell
-[X] Legion of Hexoatl (outside Muukhexla):
--[X] Elastic Defense
--[X] Tiktaq'to is to Disrupt Enemy Rear Areas by coordinating long range bombardment assets (including air power).
--[X] Slann are to Nuke and Counterspell
-[X] Legion of Itza (Falling Upon The Foe):
--[X] Elimination of High Value Targets
--[X] Kroq-Gar is to Duel Enemy Leaders
--[X] 5 Slannpower coordinate with the Scry and Spy slann hopefully still watching for Gardakka and teleport kill-teams on top of him.
--[X] All remaining slannpower to provide Mobility Assistance
Professor Vesca
Good News Everyone!
This is an appropriate song a bit, I think.
- Location
- Wherever I feel like being
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Plan It's about the Warp, Doncha Know
[X] Plan Be Like The Waterfall
Getting to know what the Eldar know of The Enemy here would be ideal. Plus, for all we know the description of Slaneesh may tip her off that her people are currently break-dancing in a minefield.
[X] Plan Be Like The Waterfall
Getting to know what the Eldar know of The Enemy here would be ideal. Plus, for all we know the description of Slaneesh may tip her off that her people are currently break-dancing in a minefield.
CuttleFish2.0
Friendly neighborhood cuttlefish
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That's fair, I had forgotten about that bit. Still I'm not as immediately interested in Eldar History/Telling Isnedral about Mallus as I am Chaos knowledge.
Professor Vesca
Good News Everyone!
[X] Plan It's about the Warp, Doncha Know
[X] Plan Be Like The Waterfall
[X] Plan Be Like The Waterfall
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- Canada
- Pronouns
- He/Him
This struck me as very nice. It makes me happy.
I love this description of the Slann's soul. Especially the bolded bit, showing just how different the Slann are.
- Location
- Germany
Give him a few updates. It will surely be finished in the next 40-50 in game years. They are all immortal over there and I'm sure the Skinks need the time to properly catalogue every nanometer.
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- Exist
Thought came to me while rereading the update. Not sure if this has been posted before, but I think I came to another possible, but likely more literal interpretation of the Prophecy from the relic priests back in like turn 4. After all in addition to the Orks, we asked about the Southern Continent.
The prophecy for my benefit and yours.
[QUOTE="Xantalos, post: 11607388, member: 4123"]The fruit of the ultimate predator was rotten and brought only death when eaten at long last. It now stands a hollow remnant, a mockery of that which was before.
The Garden will rage and thrash at its discovery, but could not halt the inevitable. The storm cannot be controlled; it can only be allowed to pass by or stopped in its tracks.[/quote]
People have mentioned that it seems like Isendel's husband was a devotee to the Eldar god of the Hunt. So that first paragraph; sentence might be about him.
The Garden in this case would be Isendel herself, who has already nearly choked out a skink in her rage, before she composed herself. As for the inevitable, that might refer to her divorce going public on the Eldar internet or it might refer to seeing her people fall into The Lord of Excess's trap.
The Storm then would be The Storm which we can speak to her of. That says interesting things if it implies that the storm can be stopped. (And here I mean Firefly Interesting.)
The prophecy for my benefit and yours.
[QUOTE="Xantalos, post: 11607388, member: 4123"]The fruit of the ultimate predator was rotten and brought only death when eaten at long last. It now stands a hollow remnant, a mockery of that which was before.
The Garden will rage and thrash at its discovery, but could not halt the inevitable. The storm cannot be controlled; it can only be allowed to pass by or stopped in its tracks.[/quote]
People have mentioned that it seems like Isendel's husband was a devotee to the Eldar god of the Hunt. So that first paragraph; sentence might be about him.
The Garden in this case would be Isendel herself, who has already nearly choked out a skink in her rage, before she composed herself. As for the inevitable, that might refer to her divorce going public on the Eldar internet or it might refer to seeing her people fall into The Lord of Excess's trap.
The Storm then would be The Storm which we can speak to her of. That says interesting things if it implies that the storm can be stopped. (And here I mean Firefly Interesting.)
- Location
- Canada
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Personally, my main concern is finding out Isendral's purpose on the planet.
The better we understand that, the better we can be good neighbours.
The better we understand that, the better we can be good neighbours.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- She/Her
Yeah. One thing I am slightly worried about is if the City Drop created a tainted lake or whatever that we're gonna have to clean up in the landing zone. I hope not, that'd be aggravating.