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Respect Your Elders v2 - Galactic Boogaloo [Warhammer Lizardmen Quest]

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Xantalos said:
Nah, that's not too bad. I'm pretty sure the feat itself was less about manipulating the Eldar cruiser through time and more about teleporting the shot through time or somesuch - there was some explanation for it that made sense - and even so, minor time manipulation and black hole guns aren't really too out there for high-end 40k, I'm talking more of the vague one or two-sentence stuff like 'they had nanobots that ate spacetime itself' or something like that that's way too easy to misinterpret.
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The Breath of the Gods, the Archeotech Macguffin everyone was chasing in the book, rejuvenated star systems. By simulating the Big Bang. (I think. if someone could explain it properly that would be great.)
 
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Argidoll said:
Seems fair. The big outlier in my mind is the Speranza, that Ark Mechanicus from Priests of Mars. A complete and functional STC database that, when fully activated, was capable of shooting black holes at lightspeed with pinpoint accuracy in a spacetime warping gravitational storm, and, when the Eldar cruiser dodged the shot due to the farseer on board, rewounded time in the space the cruiser occupied to ensure the shot connected.
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This feat is misrepresented a lot. What actually happened is that the shot missed, but the Eldar ship still got hit with the chrono-radiation, knocking off a fin. @Red Flag has gone into this before, but I'm having trouble finding the actual citation.
Xantalos said:
Nah, that's not too bad. I'm pretty sure the feat itself was less about manipulating the Eldar cruiser through time and more about teleporting the shot through time or somesuch - there was some explanation for it that made sense - and even so, minor time manipulation and black hole guns aren't really too out there for high-end 40k, I'm talking more of the vague one or two-sentence stuff like 'they had nanobots that ate spacetime itself' or something like that that's way too easy to misinterpret.
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Similarly, the Iron Men did not eat spacetime itself. They ate matter, and could absorb data from that matter, essentially being able to hack computers that they ate. Red Flag has also gone into this one.
 
Xantalos said:
There were two, and they were luminous. One was ... was [Originator] and [Ecosystem] and [Biodiversity]. Things it did not, could not know. But [Progenitor] was ... it was comfort. It was not-threat. Not like the other. The other was ... fear. It was [Hunt] and [Competition] and [Predation]. It was [Killer], and could not be looked upon.

The others desired differently. [Challenge] desired a strong ... prey. A powerful thing to consume with difficulty. [Fertile] wanted ... a [balance]. An ending of some things and a beginning of others. It did not know what these were. But the others were [accepted] of each other, and it was the making of their coming together.
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Ok, late question, and one that I could probably answer just trawling the thread, but...

Has the possibility that these two Entities that the Aya were aware of (and were possibly created by) are/were the Northern and Southern Continents themselves? 'Cause that would be useful/terrifying, depending on which one got lobotomized via crashed spaceship/hulk.

3187 Never got around to asking/talking about this before.
 
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Sightsear said:
Ok, late question, and one that I could probably answer just trawling the thread, but...

Has the possibility that these two Entities that the Aya were aware of (and were possibly created by) are/were the Northern and Southern Continents themselves? 'Cause that would be useful/terrifying, depending on which one got lobotomized via crashed spaceship/hulk.

3187 Never got around to asking/talking about this before.
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Don't believe that possibility ever got brought up, no.
 
I've got a new idea on how to use the corpse of the Fog Daemon in the core of a new god. The current dominant plan seems to be a god of Death/Sleep/Fog, but a a death god that just holds onto dead Lizardmen doesn't seem like the most useful thing right now. So my idea is Trickery/Sleep/Fog; a god that bedevils the minds of our enemies, making them make bad decisions and dither and whatnot through metaphorical fog/does literal fog as well. (Sleep and Trickery could be switched, and I'm not sure which order fits better, but it would be the same idea either way. The question is is it a sleep god that does trickery, or a trickster god that does sleep).

Tezpoctli:
Symbols: Fog, a Frog
Category: Sleep/Trickery
Variety: Sleep/Trickery
Domain: Fog
Method of Worship: Smoking hallucinogens/depressants
Favored foes: Orks (Orks are linked through the warp, and get information from it, making them an easy target)
Blessing Thematics: Distraction, Stealth, Langour (Tezpoctli tends to prefer cursing his enemies to blessing his worshipers)
 
We have a Maximum Cap of 10 Gods in total, and that only happens in the Lizardmen expand the Astromantic or whatever Web over the entire Galaxy. More reasonably, we have a Soft Cap of 9 where we've settled over an entire Segmentum, so we really can't afford to just toss random gods at the wall.

We need every single god we make, to serve a vital function in the short and long term, with the understanding that after the first 5 it's going to be exponentially harder to get a new God Slot.

So, to be frank, any and all options that don't include creating a God Of Death first, either from the remnants of the Fog Demon, or from scratch, isn't going to be getting my support, and will be argued to the point I really won't be polite about it.

We need to keep the souls of our Lizardmen out of Chaos's Hands, first and foremost, and everything else can come after that.
 
Well, technically speaking you have a cap of ten lizardmen gods tied to the geomantic web total. Those are the gods that will be the most powerful of the lot, and will never be subverted or mistakenly cause some drama type stuff with other gods. It's perfectly possible to create more of them than that, but the core gods of the cosmic web will always be capped at 10.
 
Xantalos said:
Well, technically speaking you have a cap of ten lizardmen gods tied to the geomantic web total. Those are the gods that will be the most powerful of the lot, and will never be subverted or mistakenly cause some drama type stuff with other gods. It's perfectly possible to create more of them than that, but the core gods of the cosmic web will always be capped at 10.
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What's more, didn't you also say we could alter gods, or even swap them out (maybe that was someone else suggesting that it might be possible)?

Honestly, I don't think the Fog Demon's nature really jells with the sorts of aspects we would want to have a God of Death to have; certainly I've been having some difficulty thinking of ways to efficiently use it in that way. I've offered my own thoughts on a potential god of death and it certainly wouldn't get that much out of using the Fog Demon.

Edit: for clarity when I say 'I've offered my own thoughts' I'm talking about the god concepts I outlined in this post.
 
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CuttleFish2.0 said:
What's more, didn't you also say we could alter gods, or even swap them out (maybe that was someone else suggesting that it might be possible)?
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Xantalos said:
Reshape the Holy - The divine is no sacrosanct matter to the lizardmen, merely a finely-tuned machine that resides within their souls. And like any machine, it can be altered if needed. Through carefully-crafted narrative rewrites disseminated into the population, the aspects, domains, and practices of gods can be changed to suit the needs of the lizardmen. Effect: Select one or multiple aspects of a god and indicate what they should be changed to. This will create a meter that ticks up to completion much like god creation - depending on how extensive of a change is being made, it may be anywhere from [0/100] to [0/750]. Consult with GM.
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This is basically free reign to edit whatever aspects of a god's sheet or story you want. More major the change, the longer it takes to set in, basically.
 
Also, since some people didn't get the Memo, the God Of Death...or other gods, we make from the Mind Fog doesn't have to be Mist/Rest related, it just most efficient that way.

We can make some kind of Rest/Mist God and it will fill up 200/1000 of the God Creation Meter.

Or, we can completely purge the Mind Fog of all conceptual alignment, to make whatever kind of god we wanted to with the left overs, but it would only fill 100/1000 of the God Creation Meter.

If we make a God Of Death it doesn't have to be Rest/Mist, though I do favor it, both for sheer efficiency sake, and as something we can more easily convince our future Protectorate Species to worship.
 
Nix's Warden said:
Also, since some people didn't get the Memo, the God Of Death...or other gods, we make from the Mind Fog doesn't have to be Mist/Rest related, it just most efficient that way.

We can make some kind of Rest/Mist God and it will fill up 200/1000 of the God Creation Meter.

Or, we can completely purge the Mind Fog of all conceptual alignment, to make whatever kind of god we wanted to with the left overs, but it would only fill 100/1000 of the God Creation Meter.

If we make a God Of Death it doesn't have to be Rest/Mist, though I do favor it, both for sheer efficiency sake, and as something we can more easily convince our future Protectorate Species to worship.
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Wasn't there an option that would give us 350/1000 on the meter? I'm sure I have seen that a few pages before.
 
Xantalos said:
My current thoughts on it have changed a little bit - the fog, as a cancerous chaotic warp entity basically only has a Category, which is Fugue/Sloth/etc. The mists are just the slann' perception of how it works, perhaps because of Xlanhuapec and its long association with mists and sensory fuckery. If you change it to such a degree that it has a different Category - say, turn it into a god of Light/Purity/Mirrors or something, you'd only get 100/1000, because at that point you're only using its raw warp essence. If you make it into a god with Sleep/Rest/etc as its variety (the middle thing, it goes category/variety/domain) then you get the 200, but if you make it a god of ???/Sleep(or simile)/Mist(or simile) then you get 350/1000. Basically if you appropriate enough of its nature in the process it's more efficient.
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Oh yeah this. I just didn't bother remembering since I didn't think anyone would want a God who's entire Domain was built around Mists or Sleep.
 
LittleWhiteMouse said:
Wasn't there an option that would give us 350/1000 on the meter? I'm sure I have seen that a few pages before.
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???/Rest/Mist

If the part you fill in ends up syncing well with the latter two categories you'll get the 350 boost. Death would work, as would Healing(and similes), Dreams, etc.

Basically if you make a good enough god character sheet I'll reward you more for it to varying degrees depending on how well it syncs with the fog's current nature.
 
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So Xantalos, since your here, could lay out the difference between

Death/Rest/Mist

Rest/Mist/Death

Mist/Rest Death

And how they would function exactly? That way we have this cleared up and can just reference back to this post?
 
Xantalos said:
???/Rest/Mist

If the part you fill in ends up syncing well with the latter two categories you'll get the 350 boost. Death would work, as would Healing(and similes), Dreams, etc.

Basically if you make a good enough god character sheet I'll reward you more for it to varying degrees depending on how well it syncs with the fog's current nature.
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Would my above god qualitfy? With a bit more fleshing out?
 
Nix's Warden said:
So Xantalos, since your here, could lay out the difference between

Death/Rest/Mist

Rest/Mist/Death

Mist/Rest Death

And how they would function exactly? That way we have this cleared up and can just reference back to this post?
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I'll give a more detailed ramble later, but a good way is to mad libs it.

(Name) is a (variety)-focuses god of (category), symbolized by (domain).

Sotek is a bloodshed-focused god of war, symbolized by serpents.

The aim is for that sort of describing sentence to be able to make sense.
 
Ah right, so middle category is the most important for us.

So we'd want Mist/Death/Rest

As Whatchamacallit is a Mists Shrouded God of the Death, symbolized by Resting or something.

Or just Blank/Death/Blank. Okay. Good thanks for that.
 
Death of integrity AI was pretty powerful, how would you rate that in resources and capability compared to others of the time, like : old hunk of scrap, middling dregs, averageish, good performance, excellent capabilities, dreadnaught, and Flagship. It came from near the end of daot, before the iron war and it has a man of iron in it, it is intergalactic and capable of time travel, would that be considered canon ooc at least? Like would you rate it pre or post c'tan necrontyr?
 
Perhaps we can draw parallels between the Greek pantheon and take out redundant ones like Aphrodite? Stuff like navigation/travel and Food/growth?
 
Mrcrazyattire said:
Perhaps we can draw parallels between the Greek pantheon and take out redundant ones like Aphrodite? Stuff like navigation/travel and Food/growth?
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I'd rather not, it would be best if we create our own unique gods. If we want to take some heavy inspirations, we should take a look at the Mesoamerican pantheons, rather than the overdone Graeco-Roman one. After all, the Lizardmen culture is Aztec and Maya mixed with Magitech.
 
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