Loyalty is its own Reward (A Traitor Legion Chapter Master Quest)
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yacov
Lurking and sometimes blurting
- Location
- Clogging a drain
Karak Zel: People keep wondering why we keep bringing him to high profile meetings, until we mention everyone else in our chapter is somehow worse.
Karak Zel continues to be our best diplomatic weapon in our arsenal. Zel must have gotten multiple crits on his roll to respond to an inquisitor to make her agree and shut up like that in response to him.
And of course he does it for the most Mechanicus reason possible, being 100% sincere. Man is completely uninterested in political shenanigans.
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Luminous
God Save The Queen
- Location
- Victoria, BC, Canada
My main concern is that sending full squads to Guard IG officers and rifle through filing cabinets is... a complete waste of their capabilities. The former is probably unnecessary end even in the case of an assassination of the officer I don't think that's going to be what decides the battle. And sending dudes to rifle through papers feels like putting our political concerns over the immediate tactical and strategic ones. In addition to me not really being sure what it accomplishes.
Forgot the X in the brackets.
Do you have any idea how incredibly god/allah/buddha/whatever-you-swear-by damn frustrating urban combat is? Even for a tiny not-even-on-the-map village of less than a hundred people?
Now scale that up to a 40k hive with billions if not more of people.
Now make it worse because there are thousands of kilometers if not more of tunnels that have collapsed, been rebuilt, or modified to any of a thousand possible purposes.
Now make it worse because the planetary leadership is unavailable.
Now make it worse because we're fighting genestealers - urban/tunnel-fighting Terminator-killing specialists - who control people who know the ground
Now make it worse because our own leadership is not just fragmented but equal parts contemptuous and ignorant of what's going on.
Outside of a fucking Warp Incursion, a full Tyranid Invasion, or something equally "we're all fucked no matter what we do" catastrophic, there is no field of battle in all the galaxy as confusing, mutable, and fogged-of-war out the ass as this one.
Having reliable, preferably first-hand accounts of what goes where, what does what, and what's screwed and what's not is literally one of the most important factors in whether or not this campaign makes or breaks us.
If Harker or his agents were here, I'd consider handing it off to them. If the Governor and his people were free, I'd consider letting them do it.
But they aren't. So I won't.
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Luminous
God Save The Queen
- Location
- Victoria, BC, Canada
Uh... okay. Cool story, bro. But that doesn't address any if the issues I raised. Having our dudes sit in an HQ to look menacing behind an officer or finger through paper documents is dudes not killing more xenos-mutants. You have in no way addressed my concerns. If you want more info they'd do better going out and scouting.
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I think your missing a SOB Squad and two Penitent Engines from the deployment.
[X] Plan Show No Weakness
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Nicholas Brooks
Redeemer and Destroyer
- Location
- United States
[X] Plan Show No Weakness
-[X] No matter what other roles and positions our Astartes are assigned to, deliver standing orders and information to the field leadership and trustworthy troopers to keep an eye out for Harker's agents as we know them, and assist them if such assistance can be given without unduly compromising the mission.
-[X] Write-in: Standby for fire missions and emergency evac - 1 Thunderhawk
-[X] Garrison a Location
--[X] PDF Headquarters (Current forces stationed there: 1 PDF Regiment)
---[X] Squad 3-3
----[X] Squad 3-3 is explicitly ordered to keep Colonel Silvia Burgos alive if possible as a primary objective, she seems a better-than-average sort and having the commander of the majority of armed forces working with us is helpful. If it can be done without overly compromising her protection, take orders from her for the sake of building force cohesion.
--[X] Cathedral of the First Saints (Current forces stationed there: 1 PDF Companies)
---[X] 1 Penitent Engine, 1 Repentia Squad
--[X] Supply Depots (Current forces stationed there: 2 PDF Regiments and 7 Companies)
---[X] 1 SoB Squad
--[X] Armories (Current forces stationed there: 1 PDF Regiment)
---[X] Master of the Forge Karark Zel, Squad 3-2
--[X] Megarail Lines (Current forces stationed there: 1 PDF Regiment)
---[X] Squad 3-10
--[X] House Maeror Estate (Current forces stationed there: 1 PDF Regiment)
---[X] Squads 3-4 + 3-6
-[X] Breach the Lord Sector Palace Siege (Current forces assigned:: 1 PDF Regiment, 23rd Carolean Rifles, Arbites)
--[X] Chapter Master Severus, Chief Apothecary Valzadai, Honor Guard, Champion Claudius Spatha, Techmarine Husnik, Tomb-Captain Sertorius, Squads 3-5 + 3-7 + 3-9, 1 Rhino, 1 Thunderhawk, Palatine Ríona, 1 SoB Squad, 1 Retributor Squad, 1 Repentia Squad, 2 Penitent Engines.
-[X] Scout the Middle-Levels (Current forces assigned:: 101st Yamunan Gravekeepers)
--[X] Squads 10-2 through 10-4, 3 Rhinos
-[X] Scout the Underhive (Current forces assigned: Mitsuhide and Stormtroopers Platoon)
--[X] Captain Gallienus, Chief Librarian Grigori Yefimovich, Squad 10-1, 2 Razorbacks
-[X] Sabotage enemy supplies and warehouse
--[X] Squad 3-1, 1 Thunderhawk
Largely based on Plan First Draft, just with changing out the Administratum offices for the Cathedral, Depots, and Armories. Also included the 2 Penitent Engines and 1 SoB Squad that was not in Plan First Draft. Because if/when the enemy is deprived of supplies, they will strike hard to take ours, and we better be ready to stop them.
-[X] No matter what other roles and positions our Astartes are assigned to, deliver standing orders and information to the field leadership and trustworthy troopers to keep an eye out for Harker's agents as we know them, and assist them if such assistance can be given without unduly compromising the mission.
-[X] Write-in: Standby for fire missions and emergency evac - 1 Thunderhawk
-[X] Garrison a Location
--[X] PDF Headquarters (Current forces stationed there: 1 PDF Regiment)
---[X] Squad 3-3
----[X] Squad 3-3 is explicitly ordered to keep Colonel Silvia Burgos alive if possible as a primary objective, she seems a better-than-average sort and having the commander of the majority of armed forces working with us is helpful. If it can be done without overly compromising her protection, take orders from her for the sake of building force cohesion.
--[X] Cathedral of the First Saints (Current forces stationed there: 1 PDF Companies)
---[X] 1 Penitent Engine, 1 Repentia Squad
--[X] Supply Depots (Current forces stationed there: 2 PDF Regiments and 7 Companies)
---[X] 1 SoB Squad
--[X] Armories (Current forces stationed there: 1 PDF Regiment)
---[X] Master of the Forge Karark Zel, Squad 3-2
--[X] Megarail Lines (Current forces stationed there: 1 PDF Regiment)
---[X] Squad 3-10
--[X] House Maeror Estate (Current forces stationed there: 1 PDF Regiment)
---[X] Squads 3-4 + 3-6
-[X] Breach the Lord Sector Palace Siege (Current forces assigned:: 1 PDF Regiment, 23rd Carolean Rifles, Arbites)
--[X] Chapter Master Severus, Chief Apothecary Valzadai, Honor Guard, Champion Claudius Spatha, Techmarine Husnik, Tomb-Captain Sertorius, Squads 3-5 + 3-7 + 3-9, 1 Rhino, 1 Thunderhawk, Palatine Ríona, 1 SoB Squad, 1 Retributor Squad, 1 Repentia Squad, 2 Penitent Engines.
-[X] Scout the Middle-Levels (Current forces assigned:: 101st Yamunan Gravekeepers)
--[X] Squads 10-2 through 10-4, 3 Rhinos
-[X] Scout the Underhive (Current forces assigned: Mitsuhide and Stormtroopers Platoon)
--[X] Captain Gallienus, Chief Librarian Grigori Yefimovich, Squad 10-1, 2 Razorbacks
-[X] Sabotage enemy supplies and warehouse
--[X] Squad 3-1, 1 Thunderhawk
Largely based on Plan First Draft, just with changing out the Administratum offices for the Cathedral, Depots, and Armories. Also included the 2 Penitent Engines and 1 SoB Squad that was not in Plan First Draft. Because if/when the enemy is deprived of supplies, they will strike hard to take ours, and we better be ready to stop them.
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[X] Plan Show No Weakness
I didn't address your concerns because your concerns are foolish and ignore key parts of the briefing you've been given. Specifically, this bit;
You have been explicitly told that infiltration, assassination, and sabotage are serious concerns by the QM. I have told you why those problems are made worse by the extenuating circumstances we have to deal with.
If you've read all of that and you're under the assumption that "sit in an HQ to look menacing behind an officer or finger through paper documents" is all they're going to do on this garrison assignment, then congratulations, you put a full magazine of bolt rounds through that strawman at point-blank range. Your aim is impeccable.
When we have control of the information we need, then we can redirect them elsewhere.
Good point, I'll fix that.
Nicholas Brooks
Redeemer and Destroyer
- Location
- United States
I think we could just request they send us whatever maps or infrastructural information of note is there rather than needing to send Astartes there specifically.
Luminous
God Save The Queen
- Location
- Victoria, BC, Canada
Oh, okay. So you're just going to rant incoherently? Cool. I still think sitting in an office building is a waste of combat power when the Lord Sector is literally under siege.
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Depends; do you trust them to give us the relevant information, unredacted, in a timely fashion?
Maybe in peacetime. But in the middle of a hive-wide xenos revolt with mind-controlling Genestealers (and that's really the key part for me), I don't.
Nicholas Brooks
Redeemer and Destroyer
- Location
- United States
I would actually say the opposite. When it's peaceful, you can spend your time censoring and stonewalling for whatever reason you want because you know you pay no price for not doing so. When you're in a massive and heated struggle against Xeno tainted mutants and the Emperor's Angels of Death tell you to provide them information that will help to fight back against them, you would need to have zero self preservation instincts to refuse
Or have a mind-controlling xenos implant in your chest (I think they stick em in the chest, anyways) that makes you part of a hive-mind that opposes those Angels of Death.
But I will confess you make a good counter, and there's a certain point at which I can't cast a vote that effectively mitigates the risk that worries me. So I'll split the difference and cast a vote for yours alongside mine.
[X] Plan Show No Weakness
Nicholas Brooks
Redeemer and Destroyer
- Location
- United States
That is fair and I appreciate the vote.
Regarding Genestealer infection, the way I see it is that if the PDF in a given location are already subverted then either they will destroy everything useful before the Astartes or Sisters arrive or they will just keep up the act until they can get the squad into a killzone and declare themselves for the Cult. This applies to virtually everything, not just the Administratum Offices, but the countermeasures to your own troops being traitors would require limiting operations massively, and I don't think the odds of such a thing are high enough to be worth the opportunity cost.
[X] Plan: Hammer and Knife
Nicholas Brooks
Redeemer and Destroyer
- Location
- United States
@ThunderOwl Why do the Sisters of Battle sent to Lezo have no vehicles with them?
[X] Plan Show No Weakness
The Order of the Thorned Spear is rebuilding from the siege of Creidamh and other commitments, they were a modest sized order to begin with, and they don´t like you. Also, the dice.
williams1996
Alba gu bràth
- Location
- Scotland
[X] Plan Show No Weakness
It may be just paranoia but i kinda have the feeling that this is a distraction considering that they had decades to spred to other planets before the start of the incurgency
Considering that the navy headquartes are one of the most important positions i am actually ok with that.
I think i rather concentrat our forces
- Location
- Germany
Who defends everything defends nothing.
I believe it's better to leverage our forces and advantages by focusing on scouting, sabotage and assassination. That should weaken the Cult enough for the regular forces to dispatch them.
We aren't Imperial Fists or Ultramarines.
Better to play to our strengths and exploit our enemies' weaknesses. Those being their limited equipment and their dependency on their leadership.
Succeding in those tasks should increase the rolls needed for the Cult to win. Focusing on them means we are more likely to succeed, because we need fewer successes.
I believe it's better to leverage our forces and advantages by focusing on scouting, sabotage and assassination. That should weaken the Cult enough for the regular forces to dispatch them.
We aren't Imperial Fists or Ultramarines.
Better to play to our strengths and exploit our enemies' weaknesses. Those being their limited equipment and their dependency on their leadership.
Succeding in those tasks should increase the rolls needed for the Cult to win. Focusing on them means we are more likely to succeed, because we need fewer successes.
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