Another reason Nora is basically a sister for him already.
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V06C10 Stealing from the Elderly
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V06C10 Stealing from the Elderly
I sure hope that episode title refers to Cordovin.
It's the only fate worse than increasingly long gen:LOCK ads: the same gen:LOCK ad over and over.
The airfield is apparently on a separate island to the main military base, with a separate security perimeter. That just seems inefficient. Anyway, Weiss has professed to Cordovin to want to return to Atlas, so here she is being escorted to an aircraft. Saphron and Adrian are here too, presumably as moral support.
Cordovin's worse than merely an Atlas supremacist: she's also in it to climb the career ladder. I hope she's just wrong about having any prospects beyond here.
Anyway, those same two guards from the gate try to help Weiss with her luggage, and discover they're not quite cut out for the sheer weight of it. "Just like we practiced," whispers Saphron to Adrian, who looks determined, nods, then starts wailing to put a Nuckelavee's scream to shame. They're the distraction!
The distraction does draw off both the guards, so Weiss can load her own luggage. It's just as well, because the luggage contains Maria. Weiss is also wearing an earpiece, through which she informs Ruby that phase one is successful.
Most of the gang are with Ruby, but Yang is driving Blake up to the comms relay tower while Terra instructs Blake on how to sabotage the radar to avoid anybody realising that the aircraft they're about to steal will loop back. Blake, having insulted Terra by citing her (Blake's) past experience sabotaging Atlesian security, now insults Yang by saying she (Yang)'s not stealthy.
Uh oh, Jaune just tempted fate. Oscar doubles down on it.
Weiss waits for Scroll service to cut out, incidentally signalling the end of radar tracking. Then she throws both the guards out the plane door, with one parachute between them (Comedy™). She's skeptical of Maria's piloting ability and eyesight. The former, Maria explains as "best Huntress of her generation"; the latter, she solves by grabbing a module from the control console and plugging it into her goggles to give her direct feeds from the plane's computer, then loudly preventing all further questions. Weiss emphatically puts her seatbelt on.
Simultaneously, Ruby signals Blake to cut the radar. Blake doesn't answer. Yang doesn't know why. Darnit Jaune!
So when Weiss and Maria re-enter radar range, there is still a radar to notice them. Maria attempts to bluff her way through. I predict this will fail by some combination of (1) Maria knows outdated jargon, and (2) her voice will be recognised as definitely not someone who left on that flight, if not as Maria herself who is a known quantity at the base. ...It's entirely (2).
Maria keeps trying to talk to delay trouble. Eventually Cordovin twigs and seizes the mic at the base to berate her. They both keep feuding as Weiss gets increasingly exasperated.
Yang goes loud and goes after Blake. Meanwhile, Qrow exposits that in about ninety seconds there will be fighters airborne to make an example out of Weiss and Maria. Fun fact: It takes something like
Qrow, being Qrow, is 200% blaming himself for the plan unravelling, and when I say 200% I mean that he's reaching at least as far back as being born to find reasons to blame himself. Jokes aside, he might actually be reaching further than that to blame Ozmas past for the choices that led to Ozpin recruiting Qrow. Ruby has to find another Ruby speech. It seems to work, but that's what I thought last time. Oh, she just called him a good role model, that might help.
Weiss reports that "she's not sending fighters". So what is Cordovin sending?
Half the h*cking island retracts and reveals that it was a hangar for an absolutely giant mech. Cordovin, its sole pilot (bad design idea), gets on the PA and continues to be an Atlas supremacist (Argus can hear you!), before firing a "warning shot" that hits and nearly EMPs Weiss and Maria's plane which they stupidly took straight back to the vicinity of the base.
I'm going with Maria's theory that Cordovin has lost her mind.
The mech, shortly preceded by the plane, rounds the corner to the cliff atop which Ruby and most of the gang were lurking in the expectation of being picked up. Cordovin asks whether they want to defy her. Ruby, being Ruby, responds by asking Weiss to come help them take down the mech. Go Ruby!
Earlier, "Blake isn't responding" is the last thing to come out of Blake's Scroll before she steps on it in her haste to run away from something. Oh no, it's Adam, isn't it. ...Yep.
Adam "Cancer" Taurus, wearing an improvised mask instead of his usual White Fang one, insinuates that he's been stalking her across the continent. Blake attempts to escape by ziplining down a cable, which Adam puts a stop to by Final Smashing the thing in two. They fight - Blake, emotionally compromised, fares worse.
"Why did you have to come into my life and ruin everything?!" roars Adam. As I've said once before, there's a lot to unpack there but let's throw away the whole suitcase. Blake objects that Adam literally stalked her across the continent (BRB, checking for Adam hallucinations that probably weren't hallucinations) to keep her in his life ruining everything. Rational objections are cool, but they're not an effective approach against emotionally-driven crazies.
Blake and Adam fight their way to the top of the comms relay tower, then Adam hurls them both off the side and they hit a bunch of trees on their way to hit the ground. Blake tells him to "let go of the past", which I don't think will work. Yang, are you there? This would be a good time to join in.
Adam goes absolutely full Adam. They have a staredown. Yang will not be joining in this Chapter.
Next time: Attack of the Transformers.
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That's the Atlas way!
Don't try to pretend you haven't been dreaming of this for months Terra.
Bees flirting is clumsy and adorable every time.
"And Maria ISN'T HELPING!"
Yeah, that 'hallucination' on the train? Not a hallucination. That unattended door Qrow pointed out was how he snuck on board. Curiously, several comments from the writers suggest the hallucination that Yang saw may have indeed been just that, thanks to a combination of PTSD and Apathy. But they flip flop on that particular one depending on when they were asked. So Adam may have followed them into the wilderness and somehow survived exposure to the blizzard, or stayed on the train and kept Blakes friends under watch, figuring that she'd make contact with them sooner or later. It may be a case of realizing that his being at the farm should have resulted in a frozen turd in the wild, but either works. I'm going with the later. It's more plausible than surviving the blizzard, and at his core, Adam is a coward. He'd stay on the train where its safe.
"Why do you make me hit you for defending yourself?"
Several of Adams comments in this, and the next episode, are identical to lines from my sisters ex after we learnt of his actions towards my sister behind closed doors. Gives me the shudders every time.
Also, he's an abusive groomer who was gaslighting her into blaming herself for his actions even before the show started. He's not going to start taking responsibility for his crimes now.
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Nah, just general good life advice.
It must have been fun to have been in the house while they were practicing that.
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I apparently missed an update, so sorry for the delayed commentary here but; I still really do wish they had taken the time to show this on screen. Oscar is one of a few characters who could really use some fleshing out and a moment like this would have been the perfect character beat to do so with. It really does feel like a misstep to not let us see how he worked through things. Or how he came to decide to fake it if he's just putting on the brave face.
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I lowkey love the theory Oscar took Qrow's wallet to pay for his new clothes. I mean he did get punched in the face.
I love Maria so much.
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I think on some level she realizes this position was designed to sideline her and has just been stewing in resentment over it for years and itching to actually get some action.
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Well, she does have a fancy mecha sitting in the basement. Can you blame her for wanting an excuse to dust it off?
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And looking at that thing, dusting it off is correct. It really doesn't match the look of modern atlas mechs. I wonder if it's an older model.
V06C11 The Lady in the Shoe
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V06C11 The Lady in the Shoe
The (same!) gen:LOCK ad now has subtitles. The RWBY title sequence still doesn't.
Weiss is a bit concerned that Ruby wants to fight the absolutely giant mech. Cordovin, piloting it, has very clearly lost her tiny mind.
Cordovin fires a missile at Weiss and Maria's plane. (The mech's weapons load is concerningly skewed towards its right arm.) She's a bit surprised when it airbursts short. Cut to Ruby lowering Crescent Rose, having just sniped a missile. Cordovin gets mad (well, more mad) and fires a big ice burst at the gang on the cliff. Weiss orders the aircraft down, jumps in amongst them, and summons an earth wall just in time to tank it. Cordovin can't see it due to a cloud of mist generated by the impact.
Strategy session! Jaune has identified the mech as being designed for large threats, like major aquatic Grimm. They are a bunch of small threats who can stay ahead of it. Yes Nora, that means you, best stay ahead of it.
The gang head off in about three different directions. Team JNR sprint out from the new embankment to Cordovin's left; the aircraft, carrying Maria, Oscar, and Weiss, departs to her right; and Ruby and birdform Qrow go straight up, courtesy of Ruby's Semblance. Ruby covers Qrow's departure by firing at the mech to crack its windscreen. Now Cordovin's really mad.
Here come the lyrics! Along with at least six missiles. Ruby trivially dodges and weaves amongst them, then loses altitude so an ice blast is directed at the ocean.
Okay, Weiss is not on the aircraft, she's now with Ruby. She might also have made that iceberg. Who knows. The two of them hop across ice lilypads to approach the mech. Its concentration on them is interrupted by Nora bombarding it with grenades from another direction.
Team JNR take cover behind some large rocks. Nora fires another barrage, which is much less effective because the mech saw them coming and has an energy shield, courtesy of "hardlight Dust". It bombards them with earth Dust, forcing them to abandon their positions.
Ruby dispenses helpful advice about how video game bosses have their weak points on their backs as Qrow returns to human form, lands on the mech, and starts making holes with his weapon. He returns to birdform to escape the mech's non-gun hand grabbing him, and for some reason disengages completely instead of repeating the tactic.
Weiss uses another ice attack to try to trip up the mech. It doesn't quite work. Oscar, watching from the orbiting plane, has some kind of realisation, but doesn't get it out before Ruby and Weiss' position is saturated with missiles. After an appropriately dramatic pause they ride a spectral Queen Lancer out of the literal splash zone; Ruby is dropped off on the front of the mech. Crescent Rose's scythe blade makes a pretty big gouge down the front as Ruby stops just above the windscreen. Clearly the mech's armour was made by the lowest bidder.
Cordovin loses her augmented footing - the mech stumbles backwards against the cliff face. This creates enough of an earth tremor to be felt back in Argus, provoking general panic. So what are the chances a major aquatic Grimm turns up soon?
The back of the mech is now reachable from land, so Jaune orders his team in. It is questionable how much they accomplish before it gets up again, but hey, now Ren is hanging off the back of its arm. Speaking of hanging off mech parts, Ruby dangles into an increasingly irritated Cordovin's field of view, and nearly gets snatched up by the mech's hand for her trouble. She escapes with her Semblance, and Weiss catches her above the ocean, still demonstrating the classic "Superman catches Lois Lane just above the ground" error. Some things just never change.
Ren, on the back of the mech now, pries off a really big cover (which Oscar may have seen) and nearly falls off; Qrow catches him. Exactly as Ruby might have expected, they have found the shield generator. Now they just have to disable it without being killed in a military-industrial accident that might accompany doing so violently. Correction, they just shoot it until it dies. Now Cordovin is really mad.
Weiss (still with Ruby) brings the Lancer by to give Ren and Qrow a ride down. Nora fires a continuing barrage of grenades which don't accomplish much. Jaune is only just able to reach her in time to amp her Aura so they can both survive a mech-hand slap.
Now Cordovin shoots down the Lancer. Three of the four on board follow ballistic arcs and arrive on the cliff; Ruby Semblances and runs out of steam just short, eventually anchoring herself with Crescent Rose just above the water. There's no Weiss to catch her this time.
Cordovin continues to spout Atlas-supremacist lines as she takes aim at Ruby. Oscar implores Maria to do something; Maria flips some switches and takes the plane in closer. Turns out it has missiles. Cordovin is barely inconvenienced by the one air-to-air missile launched, but fixates on "Calavera." Apparently she caught the missile in the mech's hand - how does that even work? - and now throws it back. The plane survives, but is likely mortally wounded.
Meanwhile near the comms relay tower, Blake is fighting Adam for her life, yet again. After some time an explosion is audible in the distance. Whether by coincidence or design, Blake then switches to running, ignoring Adam trying to goad her into turning around and continuing to fight (where Adam has the advantage).
Did Adam actually just cut half of Blake's outfit off her? Implications unpleasant. Anyway, they've now reached a rock bridge over a river near a waterfall.
The fight now appears fairly evenly matched, regardless of how much Adam Adams out loud. He lost his tiny mind at Haven, didn't he.
Okay, Adam's just feinted discarding his sword in order to punch Blake with the hilt. "But you're selfish!" yells the arch-hypocrite who has solidly stolen that position from Raven Branwen. He thinks about just stabbing Blake (again), then decides to instead knock away her weapon first.
(Shot of Bumblebee hurtling along.)
Adam removes his improvised mask, not that we can see underneath yet, and monologues.
We finally see his eyes, one of which has "SDC" branded over it.
Blake hears a motorcycle.
Blake doesn't answer. Adam gets madder than Cordovin and stabs her. Oh no, and Jaune's on the other - shadow clone! Goodness knows I saw enough of them during the fight that I should have seen that coming. And this exact shadow clone trick in V03C11.
{{And now I can finally explain that one thing I quoted during Blake's trailer:}}
"OH, THAT'S THE ASSHOLE"
- He cut of Bumblebee's arm!
- What happened to your eye, dude
- Has a weird sword
- No one's buying the villain look
- Probably had a traumatic childhood
"I'm not alone," says Blake, having recovered her weapon. And then Adam gets hit by a motorcycle. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. /s Unfortunately only the motorcycle ends up in the river below. ...I think that might be the end of the road for Bumblebee.
Heeeeeeeere's Yang! She's ready to not be bothered by anything Adam says. Blake now takes some time to collapse in pain - Yang will keep Adam's attention. Adam, for his own twisted reasons that I distinctly remember, accedes. They fight. Yang, not being quite as emotionally compromised, fares better.
After a bit, Yang takes a hit from Adam's Semblance, which Blake finally explains is a lot like Yang's. (Remember when Blake had Yang's Semblance explained to her? I'm being reminded.) The difference is that Adam uses his sword for it. "He gets to dish out damage without having to feel it?" asks Yang. "That's just cheap."
More fighting later, Yang is knocked back to near the edge of the rock bridge. Adam, Semblance charged with two prime targets available, targets Yang. Blake is horrified. Briefly. Yang blocks it on her prosthetic arm, which now sports a couple of deep gouges as the only sign of damage, and avoids being pushed off the bridge (if only barely).
Is it Yang's turn now? Please tell me it's Yang's turn now.
Yang, bless her, doesn't jump to continuing the violence. (Character development!) She instead gives Adam an ultimatum to h*ck off. (Yang's bio-hand is trembling again.) Adam, being Adam, doesn't take it, trying to get another verbal jab in to remind Yang of last time she fought him. Yang is angry before Blake steps in.
This is a callback to Chapter 5 where, I have been informed (sometimes more nicely than other times), Blake put her foot in her mouth by promising to protect Yang. Anyway, I'm pretty sure the pose accompanying that quote went
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Ruby is confident they can take it.
That confidence is NOT unearned.
A one handed shot that, if the glass had been even a fraction weaker, would have HEADSHOT Cordo. Ruby does not fuck about, and will not hesitate to go for kill shots. Or maiming at least. Just ask Tyrian.
I mean, given the region, it's possible they were natural.
He wasn't really doing any solid damage, just annoying her. So maybe holding back to reevaluate?
Or from the wilds in the other direction. Or the sky. Or underground. Yes, there are burrowing Grimm. Vacuo has Grimm Sandworms!
This moment of 'oh god they're everywhere' brought to you by my desire to not fear the shadows alone!
Hey, unlike Lois, Ruby has her aura... although, they used to explain his invulnerability as a telekinetic field, and said he would unconsciously expand it over people he saved at the moment of contact. That's kind of like aura...
Guns: They break stuff!
She's gonna summon Grimm herself at this rate...
Hey, if you want real horror there, she catches his blade in Gambol Shrouds scabbard at one point. Now there's some disturbing implications.
"How dare you make me hurt you. It's never my fault. It's your fault I stalked you across a continent and ambushed you when you were alone."
The mind of an abusive asshole. And also lines said by his defenders, because of course.
And here is a point about Adam. His scar. Someone did that to him. They did something horrible and monstrous, likely out of some racist 'heh heh we're branding the bull' fuckery that is hopefully getting them kicked in the dick forever in hell. Adam, at one point, was a victim. That can not, must not be forgotten. He was innocent once. But none of that justifies the crimes he's committed. The attack on Beacon, the murder of Sienna, ordering the murder of Ghira and Kali and the capture of Blake for 'punishment'. The deaths of so many people, human and faunus, often directly at his hand. The murders of people he claimed to protect and be fighting for. The fact he sold his services to Cinder the moment she had more power than him, and NEVER broke that service.
For that matter, it ties into the nature of his scar, and when it's revealed to us. He takes his mask off solely to hurt Blake, to try and gaslight her again. Basically trying to claim "You're as bad as the monster with the branding iron." We've seen six volumes of his crimes and the depths he'd sink to, and when the scar that started him on this path is revealed, it doesn't justify his actions. It doesn't excuse them. It just explains where the first flash of anger came from.
Unfortunately only the motorcycle ends up in the river below. ...I think that might be the end of the road for Bumblebee.
That is indeed the last of Bumblebee. From the yellow trailer, it carried Yang across a continent and then carried the entire team to safey after the Apathy. But it is a noble sacrifice. And hey.
I ship it.
Hey, at least I can understand Blake not wanting to talk about Adams sembleance. Or Adam in general.
Yup. Yang takes the pain and suffering she feels and returns it on a target she deems suitable. (Which also, in the 'expression of the soul' part of the sembleance, is shown by how she tries very hard in some scenes to NOT have an outburst, and occasionally removes herself from a situation entirely. See the argument about Blake with Weiss and Ruby in V5, for instance.) Adam lets something else suffer on behalf, experiences no pain, and then hurts people.
Earlier volumes had plenty of Bee moments. THIS is the point they didn't even bother pretending it was anything but. Lots of people kept insisting the girls were straight and this was just queerbaiting though. Then again, they claimed a married lesbian couple with a child was queerbaiting, so best to laugh at them and move on.
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Man, I feel like the SDC branding is just the peak example of a tangle of ideas that just, could have been done so much better.
Because for being branded as SDC property, you'd think Adam might have had some more to work with in regards to the one main character who is an S in the SDC?
It just really nails in the idea that something could have been done way different with Adam based off of what we were given that would have been less of an issue than him basically just being a kiddie diddling school shooter.
It's also I think emblematic of another larger issue going on with certain choices being made, but that's something for down the road.
Because for being branded as SDC property, you'd think Adam might have had some more to work with in regards to the one main character who is an S in the SDC?
It just really nails in the idea that something could have been done way different with Adam based off of what we were given that would have been less of an issue than him basically just being a kiddie diddling school shooter.
It's also I think emblematic of another larger issue going on with certain choices being made, but that's something for down the road.
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Honestly, the fact Adam never even crosses paths with Weiss at all says so much about him. He was too busy trying to hurt the girl that escaped from his abusive ass to even care about the fact that one of the people messing with his bosses plans in Vale was a Schnee. Because in the end, it didn't matter to him, besides how he could use it to gaslight Blake. It's a further demonstration of who he always was.
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I don't like that, one of the most traumatic experiences in his life, branded as someones slave in a way where his sense of perspective of the world is permanently distorted by that fact, and absolutely nothing is done with it over being a dangerous freak towards someone who is basically an island getaway princess (she certainly is compared to what his situation was growing up as again, branded property). The most we see of anything regarding the White Fang directly interacting with one of the major powers currently keeping Faunus as second class citizens was evil chainsaw man back in volume 2 IIRC.
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Adam: Trust, that's where I gaslight a teenage girl into believing my thirst for murders are her fault, right? Maybe dismiss her as an island princess, undercut the way she left a life of relative luxury to fight for our rights, try and reduce her to a weapon I can throw at the enemy to take the blows for me?
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I'd be more sympathetic to arguments about how Adam wasn't handled well if the people who made them didn't continually push down Blake as they try to raise Adam up. We know nothing about what her life was like growing up other than that she was 'born into the movement' and was attending protests as a (cute illustration of a child), as seen in V1. Protests which, presumably, were met with violent resistance. Was she literally branded like Adam was? No, but that doesn't mean her trauma and the oppression she's faced is any less valid. Island getaway princess, honestly.
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In addition to always putting Blake down, and often dismissing the abuse she suffers at Adams hands... They always want an Adam that never actually existed, and only existed in fanon at best. He was never an anti-hero. He just pretended to be one to cover up what he really was.
No we do know something rather important, she had a better home life than any of her other team members, Ghira and Kali certainly actively do a lot more to show love and care for Blake than Jacque, are more available than Willow, and same goes for Taiyang. She lives in a fucking manor, with an actual support network that would allow her to grow up in a normal environment, so yeah that is honestly the truth about her.
Adam didn't need to be a caricature to still be completely in the wrong, there was a direct way to still have Adam abusing Blakes faith and trust in someone else who was fighting against Faunus oppression. Blake wouldn't need to change at all either for that to still work, and it shouldn't, it's good that she gets to have an actual good life at home for her, it's a good way to show she has empathy for others and is willing to go out of her way to help those in need, reinforcing her intent on becoming a Huntress.
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We know she had loving parents, but they were parents that Blake herself wasn't even sure would love her anymore(she was scared of going to see them again in volume 4). In regards to the manor, there is more evidence to support that Blake didn't actually live in that manor than you think. Blake talks about how she left her parents when they left the White Fang, and her parents left the White Fang to lead Menagerie. The house that they lived in when we saw them was much bigger and better looking than the others, which usually is meant to signify someone of importance, so I doubt Ghira and Kali always had that building until Ghira became Chieftain. Also, we definetly know that Blakes parents were less available than Taiyang since she hadn't seen them since she was 13-14.
I wouldn't say that Adam is a caricature either, unless you believe his entire character from start to finish was one, then that means you simply didn't like the character rather than it being anything wrong with how he is presented now. Adam had just lost everything, his power, his authority, all because of Blake(remember the whole entire "hate the Belladonas" speech he had in V5?). Now, he wanted to take it out on Blake all because he wanted a semblance of control.
Also, at least with Adam, we do know that he himself doesn't have much of an antagonistic relationship with the Schnees. Apparently the writers confirmed in one of the commentaries that Adam got into an argument with a racist worker and the worker picked up a brand lying around. Along with that, well, the entire idea of the Schnees regularly branding Faunus like cattle would probably have been too much for most people, especially with how recent the Faunus Rights Movement was. Simply put, it doesn't make sense for places like Vale or even Vacuo to tolerate a place like Atlas if people know they use Faunus slaves, or that they are constantly branding their workers. That, along with the fact that the Faunus technically won the Faunus Rights Movement, means that there is likely less "obvious" racism in Atlas(Slavery, people beating up Faunus just for being Faunus, etc.), and more "systemic" racism(Faunus getting lower wages, Faunus being more likely to get hired for the worse jobs than the better, etc.).
More likely to end up in prison to perform cheap labor for whoever rents them out from the government, seen in a comic and based on American history for prison labor.
That they could leave to move to lead a stable and isolated place like Menagerie makes me think it was a place they were established in already, and Blake leaving to join an international cause while her parents stayed in one place conflicts with that. I'd keep going on but derailing needs to be reined in after a while, best not to drag things out here when that's not the point.
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"Adam is a well-written abuser" and "Making one of the center pieces of the Show's racism subplot be a unsympathetic abuser is a bit of an iffy move" are thoughts that can and should co-exist
And the fix for this issue is, of course "Give the other parts of the racism plot more screentime"
Or in other words: Sienna Khan should have had more screen time
And the fix for this issue is, of course "Give the other parts of the racism plot more screentime"
Or in other words: Sienna Khan should have had more screen time
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Yeah, thats something a lot of people agree on. I've heard from somewhere else that apparently the abuse plot was prioritized writing wise for Blake, with the White Fang as background until they realized how they messed up there, which caused them to create the less radical faction that was Sienna Khans, but still couldn't really take priority due to the last minute nature of her creation. Unfortunately I can't find the source for this so I'm not sure how reliable it is.