IWIW RWBY

Weiss is still getting caught up with the whole 'no longer imprisoned by a succession of bandits of variable respectability' thing. (Yes, I am calling Jacques a bandit.)
That is an understatement.
Just, darnit Ilia! She makes no secret that Adam's ideology has infected her, full-on monologuing to a restrained Blake about how there are two kinds of people, us and them, and only fear can stop hate ( :facepalm: ).
She might be trying to justify it to herself using the words she's been told by others.
Oh no, it's the only thing that could possibly have made this messier: Ilia was jealous of Adam for having Blake. That has now festered into whatever tangle of neuroses makes her (Ilia) think it's a good idea to package up Blake for Adam. Nobody has accused the human (or faunus) mind of making sense. ...Baka.
Seems that everyone wants that Bella-booty.
 
Turns out Blake had actually started the romance chain without knowing!

(This is also the real reason I was cackling like a loon at the time)
Oh no.

...yeah, that's all the words I've got.

More seriously, Ilia has no idea how much danger she's in. Adam reacts poorly to anyone touching his toys, after all. If he knew Ilia had feelings for Blake... we might never find her body. All at once.
Oh no. At least I can believe with confidence that Adam hasn't noticed anything yet.

Between Raven, Summers death, Tai just shutting down for a few years, and Qrow keeping his distance somewhat between his job and his semblance, Yang has had a LOT of people in her life walk out on her in one way or another. Waking up missing a limb and her partner? That hit her in all the trauma weak points.
At least she has Ruby and Weiss again now, which should help a bit. I hope.

She might be trying to justify it to herself using the words she's been told by others.
If we spell "others" like "Adam".

White Trailer said:
Everyone is entitled to their own sorrow, for the heart has no metrics or forms of measure. And all of it... irreplaceable.
{{This is now another reason why I side-eye any jokes about the writers forgetting things.}}
 
V05C09 A Perfect Storm

V05C09 A Perfect Storm


Titles: Very appropriate that Yang, now with prosthetic limb, is rematching Mercury, still with prosthetic limbs (unless he gets the Tyrian's-tail treatment at some point). Subtitles are back to a full second late. Sigh.

Raven is sharpening her sword (not a euphemism) when Vernal enters unbidden to notify her that Salem's followers have found them and therefore Salem implicitly has too. Raven tells Vernal to get her helmet, as if looking like a Grimm is going to fool anybody relevant. Outside, helmet on, she castigates the Edgevassals for being spineless - which is technically correct, but I doubt that's what she was actually going for.

Cinder disagrees, flaring a glowy eye to remind everybody how outclassed anybody is against her, let alone bandits.

Raven gives the general order to break camp seeing as this one is compromised. No chance they couldn't be tracked while moving camp... Watts agrees that it's a bit late to run and hide, which makes Raven wonder who exactly he is. Mercury tries to get in on the posturing but fails miserably.

Raven's terrible but she does a great verbal takedown of Emerald, Mercury, Arthur Watts and Cinder Fall:
"Two children you've tricked into following you, a disgraced Atlesian scientist, and a Fall Maiden with a surname so appropriate she probably picked it herself."
And then flunks the landing: "Something tells me you've got more than a slight case of egomania." Says you. It hits Emerald and Mercury hard enough, but backfires on Watts, whose only criticism is that he was also a doctor.

Cinder coldly (but only figuratively so) informs Raven that Raven hasn't stayed alive due to being "perceptive", but only due to having a Spring Maiden, which Salem wants. Raven calls Vernal out of the big tent. Cinder demands proof, so after Raven signals in affirmative, Vernal sticks her arms out, closes her eyes, and summons a thunderstorm. Not being in a thunderstorm myself, I'm in a position to notice that previously depicted users of Maiden powers had glowy eyes, of which Vernal gives no sign. Of course, Vernal is keeping hers shut, which might be obscuring it.

Raven postures some more about Vernal's power and training. Cinder is unimpressed, reminding all present that there's nowhere to truly hide from Salem. And now the visitors bring out the carrot: Salem is actually only after the Relics, with the Maidens merely required to unlock their vaults. Raven need only have Vernal let them into the Knowledge vault and the slate will be wiped clean.

Raven weakly objects that one does not simply walk into Haven, to which Cinder explains that actually they will, Lionheart flipped. Raven protests her neutrality, to which Cinder coldly informs her that harbouring a Maiden violates neutrality as far as Salem is concerned. While Cinder monologues on their exceptionally generous offer (she doesn't seem to like bandits much either), we finally get to see under her hair a bit to whatever's happening on the lost-eye side of her face, and honestly it looks like a perfect impression of Amber's face-wound except for the unsettling dark grey colouration.

Raven pleads for time; Watts denies it, stating that they go to Haven in two days (breakneck timeskips strike again!) so she's going to decide now. When Cinder presents the dichotomy, Raven presents additional demands yikes. "I want my brother dead." Raven, any credibility with the viewers you built up this Chapter, you just burned it all and then some. She sells this to the visitors as Qrow knows about Spring which will be a problem later, and still trusts Lionheart so can be trivially invited into an ambush. I'm excited to see if this ambush will go any better for them than Ilia's did, and also really hoping it doesn't. So really I'm excited to see it go poorly for the ambushers.

Cinder, being Cinder, is all in favour of getting Qrow killed. I wonder if she knows it was him who partially spoiled her ambush of Amber.

I don't know where the subtitles came from, but it must be pretty silly seeing as when Watts says "Relic of Knowledge" it's spelled "Relic of Naulch". Anyway, he has a point that Qrow isn't going to be ambushed quietly, and that risks the stealth that is the biggest advantage of the plan to simply walk into Haven. Raven reckons they can all gang up on Qrow and take him down quickly. I have my doubts, which Emerald raises for me: Qrow is accompanied by six Hunter-trainees, one of whom has grievously wounded Cinder already (and Tyrian, but possibly only Watts and Cinder know that).

Watts objects that springing all of this will put Mistral on alert and spoil the White Fang attack on Haven. Cinder proposes a compromise: spring the ambush right before the attack such that the attack destroys any evidence. This seems like an excuse to have the ambushees defend Haven after they escape the ambush, but what do I know. This is an acceptable plan to everyone except Watts, who reckons Cinder is overextending them to try to settle the score with Ruby, to which Cinder burns him a little and dismisses him to "fly back home and tinker with your machines".

Cinder and Raven shake hands to settle the deal. Raven why.



The Belladonna house is a combat zone. Ghira, who has no weapon except his own claws, is at a bit of a disadvantage against the Albains, both armed, except where a White Fang minion blunders into melee with him and he can bundle them out and steal their weapon. After a while a smarter minion waits for Ghira to be distracted before ambushing him with a gun. This is foiled by Sun coming through the window straight onto said minion.

The Albains are pretty mad and switch their combined aggro onto Sun, who has a slightly bad time until Blake appears and pulls a pretty cool entrance that ends in both Albains having their weapons stuck in an ice clone. Ghira tells Blake to go find Kali now, seeing as Sun allegedly isn't "a complete waste of space" and can help him here by himself just fine, right? They manage to get Blake to leave, then just sit there and wait for the Albains to get their weapons free rather than doing anything smart that would shorten the fight scene.



Raven is in her tent giving off big headache vibes, with which I can't help but sympathise a bit, those hurt. Vernal reports that she tracked Cinder and party as ordered to their temporary base, an aircraft landed a bit to the west, no Raven of course they didn't spot me I wasn't enbandited yesterday, but do you actually think they'll let us be? Raven is not stupid enough to think that. The real plan is to nab the relic for themselves during peak chaos at Haven in order to be able to defend themselves against Salem in the longer term. Audacious, I'll give it that.

Vernal wonders what it means that Yang will be around Haven, which Raven dismisses as "She made her choice", eerily reminiscent of Yang re Blake. Raven says they have to do what's right for the tribe, to which Vernal promises to "do whatever it takes", which sounds dangerously open-ended. Raven stalks out the back of the tent. Vernal soon pokes her head out the front to see a bird flying off. It's probably Raven, but what if it's Qrow?



Okay, it's nigh-certainly Raven, as evidenced by it turning up here while Qrow is drinking. He's a bit exasperated to be disturbed by Oscar passing on a message from Ozpin. What the message is will have to wait...



Blake sweeps the Belladonna house for Kali. I think she's about to find dramatically posed Ilia instead. ...Yep. Both go for their weapons.



Next time: Getting on like...
 
a disgraced Atlesian scientist

The fascinating part here was that this was the first in-universe statement of what Watts was before he joined Salem. While parts had been hinted at or could be guessed at, the fact he was notable enough Raven knows of him is pretty important...

Cinder coldly informs her that harbouring a Maiden violates neutrality as far as Salem is concerned

Also, Salem gives no fucks about not wanting to be involved. You live, you're involved.


Because she's a dumpster fire.

They manage to get Blake to leave, then just sit there and wait for the Albains to get their weapons free rather than doing anything smart that would shorten the fight scene.

Ghira isn't really a trained fighter, and Sun's a dumbass at times.

The real plan is to nab the relic for themselves during peak chaos at Haven in order to be able to defend themselves against Salem in the longer term. Audacious, I'll give it that.

And really stupid for someone who wants to not get involved. Right now Raven has Salems attention because her maiden powers are a door key. So let's actively screw her over and steal the shiny thing she wants.

Raven is not good at plans.

Raven dismisses as "She made her choice"

And this is another 'fuck Raven' moment, given that choosing not to be a parasitical tick on the ass of society isn't really a choice, especially given the manner in which Raven dumped the choice on her. And the fact Raven expected that decision to go any other way really demonstrates her immaturity.
 
Cinder coldly (but only figuratively so) informs Raven that Raven hasn't stayed alive due to being "perceptive", but only due to having a Spring Maiden, which Salem wants. Raven calls Vernal out of the big tent. Cinder demands proof, so after Raven signals in affirmative, Vernal sticks her arms out, closes her eyes, and summons a thunderstorm. Not being in a thunderstorm myself, I'm in a position to notice that previously depicted users of Maiden powers had glowy eyes, of which Vernal gives no sign. Of course, Vernal is keeping hers shut, which might be obscuring it.

I would like to add for your observations, Raven sure is talking smack for someone who found a Spring Maiden named "In the Spring"
 
Because [Raven]'s a dumpster fire.



And really stupid for someone who wants to not get involved. Right now Raven has Salems attention because her maiden powers are a door key. So let's actively screw her over and steal the shiny thing she wants.

Raven is not good at plans.



And this is another 'fuck Raven' moment, given that choosing not to be a parasitical tick on the ass of society isn't really a choice, especially given the manner in which Raven dumped the choice on her. And the fact Raven expected that decision to go any other way really demonstrates her immaturity.
Raven hasn't used her brain much while out banditing - it seems to have atrophied.

I would like to add for your observations, Raven sure is talking smack for someone who found a Spring Maiden named "In the Spring"
"Also from RT's 1st class subtle naming department 'Vernal" is another name for Spring."

...if you spell "subtly" like this:

(fiery background visuals, rocking background music, various interesting text effects)

SUBTLY

 
On this topic.

Given Vernals nature as a deliberate decoy from the real maiden, Raven still comes out ahead of both Cinder, with all her MANY issues leading to her choice of names, and Ironwood deciding to make Winter the next Winter Maiden.
 
V05C10 True Colors

V05C10 True Colors


I feel confident in predicting this will go nothing like the Cyndi Lauper song.

Qrow and Ozpin!Oscar sit in the main area of the suite while Ozpin tempts fate. Qrow remains suspicious that every Hunter he knew in Mistral is missing either presumed dead or about to be; Ozpin remains optimistic at a broader scope.

Ruby arrives slightly before they were going to summon everyone for a planning meeting. If the Spring Maiden is keyed to Haven's vault, she asks, what about the Fall Maiden being keyed to Beacon's vault? "I was wondering who would be the first to ask," says Ozpin, going on to explain without detail that the relic at Beacon is better-hidden. {{My favourite explanation from a fanfic was that they put it in Tai's shed for the ultimate security through obscurity.}}
"Well, I did have one more question."

"No, my cane is not a Relic."

"I have no more questions."
Never change, Ruby.

They send Ruby to get the others, slightly delayed by Qrow's Scroll ringing. It's Lionheart telling them the council caved and come meet him tomorrow night to plan out hitting the bandits, which totally isn't the trap Raven just sold them all into. Totally. Ozpin and Qrow are both pretty suspicious, but not in Ruby's hearing.

And rightly so, because Raven herself was in the headmaster's office supervising the call. The two of them then have a chat where Lionheart says they're both afraid and Raven protests way too much that she's just smart.



The gunfight is not going well for Kali and her slightly useless guards even before Yuma enters via the window and flattens one of the guards. So many broken windows tonight. Kali charges to aid the guard, but makes the absolute rookie mistake of accompanying her charge with a war cry.

Meanwhile, Blake gives Ilia every chance to reconsider her decisions, and has a shadow clone tank the attack when Ilia doesn't reconsider ("Stop lecturing me!"). Ilia has the more versatile weapon for this kind of fight, able to shock Blake's to make her (Blake) drop it. Blake's response is to disengage and turn the lights off, just after she looked meaningfully at Ilia's dropped mask. What shenanigans are planned, and will they work when both participants probably have night vision?

No indications of shenanigans yet, but Blake has both parts of her weapon back and is explaining that she's done running away from her problems seeing as it's never solved any of them. The darkness does make it easier to see the glow of Ilia's weapon when it's about to strike, but it's not helping find Ilia herself. Less-predictable illumination is needed. Blake apologises to her father (and for some reason not her mother) and sets the upper part of the room on fire.

Ilia, now unable to hide, engages in the kind of close-range fight where her weapon still has the advantage. Blake eventually disengages, helped by shadow clones, while firing at Ilia which she has to block with her weapon. Now Blake's weapon is more suited - Ilia's only glows funny colours - and Ilia's really mad, screaming her own lecture (how hypocritical) as her only option to try to bait Blake back into whip range. Blake doesn't, she just shoots some more. Ilia keeps blocking, then discovers she was blocking ice Dust rounds and her weapon's rather the worse for wear so she can't counterattack; Blake removes it by weapon-ribbon, then for some reason re-enters melee. Well, at least her opponent's unarmed now.

The reason was therapy by combat: held down by her old bestie asking her what her parents would have wanted, Ilia is finally pushed past anger into breakdown.

There's no window by which the Albains can be launched into the room, so Ghira makes a hole in the wall for the purpose. He sees Blake and gets distracted long enough for an Albain to stab him in the back. He's not dead or even out of the fight yet, but that distracted Blake and Ilia's found her anger again, pushing Blake off her and going to find her weapon.

Ghira holds his own against the Albains, who get in each other's way a fair bit while waiting for (and occasionally exhorting) Ilia to tip the balance in their favour. After a bit Ghira gets one of them to accidentally fireblast the other, which causes the first one some distress before Sun makes a dramatic re-entrance and takes him down. Blake starts peeling herself off the floor where Ilia left her as Ghira orders Sun to focus on Ilia.

Sun performs better in armed combat with Ilia, and eventually gets the upper hand, forcing her against a probably-structural pillar. The pillar nearly breaks in the resulting contest of strength before Blake pleads with them both to stop. This was a mistake - Sun is more distracted, so Ilia manages to fall out of the way. Sun slams into the pillar, breaking it completely, and just manages to jump out of the way of the collapse - but Ilia's on the floor and can't escape! Cut to black.

Cut back to Ghira holding the entire mezzanine section up to allow Ilia to escape. She does, but now Ghira's in an even worse position. Sun-clones try to help him but there's too much weight for them to make a difference. Exactly one Albain isn't out cold, and he now grabs both of their weapons and runs for Ghira. He reckoned without Blake, who ribbons Ghira out of the way in the nick of time. The Albain's attack turns into a dive straight under the mezzanine collapse as the main thing holding it up leaves in a hurry - he has barely enough time to realise it before the Sun-clones break and it comes down on him, punctuated by an explosion. That did not look survivable.

Cue Kali dragging in an unconscious Yuma. The gang's all here!

The surviving Albain somewhat-understandably completely loses it, screaming that an unclear "you" ruined everything before making a suicidal charge at Sun and the Belladonnas. The weapon that stops him is none of theirs: Ilia zaps him from behind. Then she resumes total emotional breakdown. Blake, you have exactly one job left here and you're not doing it! (Also, that fire is remarkably contained for nobody having done anything about it.)

Fade to the outside of the house, where the police are having A Time just keeping the onlookers from making anything worse. Ghira emerges carrying two unconscious minions. Behind him, the conscious attackers are escorted out, including Corsac Albain. Ghira just shakes his head when a guard asks about Fennec; the guard asks Corsac "Was it worth it?" Corsac's body language screams that it wasn't.

I think it may finally be time for Blake to give a speech to Menagerie. Kali stops Ghira from getting in the way.

Not even an intro, just straight into:
"Humans didn't do this. We did this. Faunus. We did this to ourselves."
Yang wishes she could hit as hard as Blake just did. She (Blake) continues that silent majorities aren't heard, because they're silent, and if Adam "Cancer" Taurus is the only one talking (mostly with violence) then they're all tarred with his brush, and it's kinda their fault for staying silent and letting him speak for them. If they want the racial violence to stop, they'll have to actually do something about Adam. Going to Haven is putting their lives at risk, but lives are at risk. "So I'm going. And I'll stand by myself if I have to."

Overall, 5/10 speech, got most of its impact from the damage behind her.

"I'll stand with you!" says Ilia, who is about done with emotional breakdowns, and with trying to tie a bow on her best friend for Adam "Cancer" Taurus. "...if - if you'd have me." As it starts to click in the crowd that Ilia was the same one denouncing the Belladonnas days earlier, the guard stops Ilia from going down the steps. Blake overrules him. It is left to Ghira to tell him that "there is strength in forgiveness".

"I'll go," says the man whom it looked in the montage was the closest to signing up. He is the first of many. Sun reflects that they've got work to do, before addressing a beef with Ilia:
"You stabbed me."

"I-I-" (is pinched) "Ow!"

"There. Let's just call it even."
Ghira and Kali are evidently professionals, for they now descend the stairs to talk logistics. Wait, the attack on Haven is in two weeks? Breakneck timeskips strike again!

That's a lot of voice actors. Thanks Menagerie!



Next time: Just Cinder things.
 
(and for some reason not her mother)

Well, Blake had to get her love of arson from somewhere...

The reason was therapy by combat: held down by her old bestie asking her what her parents would have wanted, Ilia is finally pushed past anger into breakdown.

I've known people who did something stupid and destructive because they didn't see any other option. While they've never been on this scale, this still brought back some memories.

That did not look survivable.

Someone get a mop!

Cue Kali dragging in an unconscious Yuma.

Kali doesn't need a custom weapon. She'll just use whatever she can find to BEAT YOUR HEAD IN.

Ghira just shakes his head when a guard asks about Fennec

Ghira isn't the sort of man to make the mop comment at a time like this.

the guard asks Corsac "Was it worth it?" Corsac's body language screams that it wasn't.

Corsac is discovering consequences. He doesn't like them.

"I'll stand with you!" says Ilia,

Her earlier admission, to herself as well as Blake, means she is better suited now to recognize a better way when it's in front of her.

Breakneck timeskips strike again!

Good news! At this point, the respective timelines have all caught up to each other.
 
. Exactly one Albain isn't out cold, and he now grabs both of their weapons and runs for Ghira.

This is the first of a series of decisions in this volume's fights that leave me just baffled. Cause like, my man you and your brothers keep using those things to attack from far away. Why in the world would you choose now of all times to go for a stab?

She (Blake) continues that silent majorities aren't heard, because they're silent, and if Adam "Cancer" Taurus is the only one talking (mostly with violence) then they're all tarred with his brush, and it's kinda their fault for staying silent and letting him speak for them.

This ironically gets into some metacommentary, cause one of the issues at least some people have with Sienna dying so quickly* is that the White Fang desperately needs a character other than Adam talking for them. As is, the cancer and people who follow his mindset are uncomfortably the only people on screen pushing for Faunus's rights up until this volume.

*Everyone agrees she was wasted, not everyone agrees on why
 
"Humans didn't do this. I did this, I burned down my dad's house."
I do like the theory Blake learned her speech giving ability from Ghira and her fighting prowess from Kali. Especially in tea tray-fu.
Also gunchucks are back! (Apparently they're really hard to animate)
 
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Kali doesn't need a custom weapon. She'll just use whatever she can find to BEAT YOUR HEAD IN.
It's funnier if the tea tray is her custom weapon.

This ironically gets into some metacommentary, cause one of the issues at least some people have with Sienna dying so quickly* is that the White Fang desperately needs a character other than Adam talking for them. As is, the cancer and people who follow his mindset are uncomfortably the only people on screen pushing for Faunus's rights up until this volume.
I think it makes a terrible amount of sense: Those in power (the many Jacques and -wannabes of the world) have a vested interest in playing up extremism against them to look sane by comparison and stay in power. Any moderate alternatives to that extremism are inconvenient to that narrative, so get swept under the rug.
 
I think it makes a terrible amount of sense: Those in power (the many Jacques and -wannabes of the world) have a vested interest in playing up extremism against them to look sane by comparison and stay in power. Any moderate alternatives to that extremism are inconvenient to that narrative, so get swept under the rug.

Ok michael, I'm not sure you thought this part all the way through cause it would cast CRWBY in the role of the Jacques (or a wannabe Jacques).

Characters such as him focusing on extremists like Adam and ignoring people who try more moderate voices? Makes total sense, no complaint there. The problem is in the narrative of the story that is RWBY we don't see any of those more moderate voices until this volume, 4 years into the story, and it is made explicit that those voices weren't doing anything to push for the civil rights until now.

The best we get is that the White Fang used to be pacifistic but even then the narrative says that nothing was accomplished until they took up arms. And Ghira as a leader... is something we will have to discuss more after a future short.
 
A large part of the problem, which Miles and Kerry confirmed around this time was that Blakes story was more about being an abuse survivor, with the White Fang being world-building and background for the character, and not realizing they'd gotten a bit more political with her story than they initially planned. Some of the plot elements with Ghira and Sienna having the organization stolen out from under them by extremists was them trying to repair earlier stumbles.
 
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