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It's not wrong to make Friends in the Dungeon (Danmachi / Sanctioned [Worm])

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wait...would carrying enough wait allow her to exceed the SS rank via stat boost? Would it let her boost enough to fight like a higher level adventurer? Get hephaestus to make a equipment that can get infinitely heavier as you feed it more crystals until you turn it off and reset it back to zero. Let lili as she descends boost higher and higher till as a level 1 she can fight on the deep floors like a level 5 or 6...omg lili is gonna kill the black dragon in one hit. we need to get lili a yellow jumpsuit and some red gloves
 
tri2 said:
wait...would carrying enough wait allow her to exceed the SS rank via stat boost? Would it let her boost enough to fight like a higher level adventurer? Get hephaestus to make a equipment that can get infinitely heavier as you feed it more crystals until you turn it off and reset it back to zero. Let lili as she descends boost higher and higher till as a level 1 she can fight on the deep floors like a level 5 or 6...omg lili is gonna kill the black dragon in one hit. we need to get lili a yellow jumpsuit and some red gloves
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Also a cape and a razor.
 
I wonder if hitting a motherfucker with another motherfucker would count as using a Landform Weapon.
 
Valdimarian said:
Lili's weapon breaks at an inopportune time and she just grabs a wolf by the ankle and starts using it as a flail.
"LILI SO ANGRY LILI GOING TO HIT A MOTHERFUCKER WITH ANOTHER MOTHERFUCKER!"

Lefia: "Ais, what did you do to the nice polite pallum girl?"
Ais: "I showed her what weapons would effectively use her carrying ability."
Lefia: "..."
Lili: *holding a minotaur's ax bigger than her backpack and dripping with gore* "That was... cathartic."
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Lili needs to use her shapeshifter skill to get pink hair :D




Neruz said:
I wonder if hitting a motherfucker with another motherfucker would count as using a Landform Weapon.
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No. Obviously it'll fall into the case of using a Motherfucking Weapon :V
 
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For the record, this story is going with the interpretation that Lili's skill does not increase her abilities at a rate equal to (or greater than) what is necessary to carry a given weight. So, no infinite load and the more absurd feats will need to wait until her base Strength is higher.
 
Alivaril said:
For the record, this story is going with the interpretation that Lili's skill does not increase her abilities at a rate equal to (or greater than) what is necessary to carry a given weight. So, no infinite load and the more absurd feats will need to wait until her base Strength is higher.
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No tiny Supermandwarfthobbit?
Boo! Boo~~, I say! :V
 
tri2 said:
wait...would carrying enough wait allow her to exceed the SS rank via stat boost? Would it let her boost enough to fight like a higher level adventurer? Get hephaestus to make a equipment that can get infinitely heavier as you feed it more crystals until you turn it off and reset it back to zero. Let lili as she descends boost higher and higher till as a level 1 she can fight on the deep floors like a level 5 or 6...omg lili is gonna kill the black dragon in one hit. we need to get lili a yellow jumpsuit and some red gloves
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I mean it sound op on paper but Even if Lili can carry tons to gain strength at best she would just sink... at worts there an Upper limit and become paste

Thats leting out the posibility of dimishing return or a cap (max X amound *Lili lv or something) on the skill and Even if she can just gain strength is likely just enough to make the weigth 0 since she can run and jump with her backpack is also likely that the skill have a range limit (bet the backpack can't be any bigger) which let us on the core of the skill what make it a support skill carry is not the same as lifting which is why she just didnt throw a house or something at her familia and be done with it

The Warhammer is likely close to the limit of what she can use to figth (being small and untrained) since her stats are low hence she could do a judo throw on a minotaur but no a dragon could use a Magic weapon with weigth boots up to tons assuming she doesnt have to lift it nor is beyon the skill limit... So yeah the skill is op but no overly so without preparation or knowled things that Lili didnt have the skill can he seen as apparently 'useless' to noobs

So RIP Lili ains won't miss what the skill could be assuming in right SO she gonna end up in a spartan training XD
 
Xared said:
I mean it sound op on paper but Even if Lili can carry tons to gain strength at best she would just sink... at worts there an Upper limit and become paste

Thats leting out the posibility of dimishing return or a cap (max X amound *Lili lv or something) on the skill and Even if she can just gain strength is likely just enough to make the weigth 0 since she can run and jump with her backpack is also likely that the skill have a range limit (bet the backpack can't be any bigger) which let us on the core of the skill what make it a support skill carry is not the same as lifting which is why she just didnt throw a house or something at her familia and be done with it

The Warhammer is likely close to the limit of what she can use to figth (being small and untrained) since her stats are low hence she could do a judo throw on a minotaur but no a dragon could use a Magic weapon with weigth boots up to tons assuming she doesnt have to lift it nor is beyon the skill limit... So yeah the skill is op but no overly so without preparation or knowled things that Lili didnt have the skill can he seen as apparently 'useless' to noobs

So RIP Lili ains won't miss what the skill could be assuming in right SO she gonna end up in a spartan training XD
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wait, that is probably true since developmental abilities have ranks and can level up as well. dear lord, S rank ability to carry a mountain. Lili's alias would be Atlas.....Champion Caber Tosser. Kills monsters via dead lifts and tossing :V
 
tri2 said:
wait, that is probably true since developmental abilities have ranks and can level up as well. dear lord, S rank ability to carry a mountain. Lili's alias would be Atlas.....Champion Caber Tosser. Kills monsters via dead lifts and tossing :V
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And on the back of the Pallum rode Great A'Tuin, who most of those stacked upon it mistakenly believed to swim through the void of its own accord.
 
tri2 said:
wait, that is probably true since developmental abilities have ranks and can level up as well. dear lord, S rank ability to carry a mountain. Lili's alias would be Atlas.....Champion Caber Tosser. Kills monsters via dead lifts and tossing :V
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Caber Toss is more Ajax's thing. (Early in the Illiad dude just rips a whole tree out of the ground and uses it as his weapon of choice)
 
tri2 said:
Lili proceeds to push him out of the way muttering 'git gud scrub' and then lifts and immediately sinks into a hole in the ground due focusing the weight of an entire mountain onto the area of ground contact she has with her feet, vastly exceeding the pound-force stress of what mere earth is capable of supporting :V
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Fixed that for you.

Torgamous said:
And on the back of the Pallum rode Great A'Tuin, who most of those stacked upon it mistakenly believed to swim through the void of its own accord.
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Great A'Tuin is a Turtle, not a Tortoise, she swims, not rides. Honestly.

Everyone knows that World Tortoises are found in an entirely different part of the multiverse, where they stand on whatever the fuck they feel like, because there are very few things that can tell a World Tortoise 'no' and expect to achieve anything from doing so.
 
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tri2 said:
and then she proceeds to walk forwards, and the legend of the moving mountain was spread across the world :V
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She's buried by that point, so it would be more tunneling\swimming than walking, but otherwise I suppose that could work, for a loose enough definition of the term 'work'.
 
Selonianth said:
Perhaps. Though using it to know exactly what an enemy is doing means said enemy knows exactly what you are doing as well. Something which is potentially problematic as you might guess. That's just issue number 1 with this.

Issue number two is... it doesn't matter what QA uses it for, or the badness that happened in an alternate reality. This is like people who read the lyrics for "Baby it's Cold Outside" and decide it's secretly a dark song. No, it's not. You can choose to ignore the actual meaning and energy of the song if you wish, but that doesn't change it.
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Honestly it is pretty dark. Just...In the opposite way that modern times would have us thinking of it. (Specifically, the song is about the nigh-puritanical norms of the time it was written in - the denial of agency to women - versus the modern interpretation of - well, stuff that's just absolutely not okay but in an entirely horribly different fashion.)

A repressive era in the now looks upon the art of another repressive era in the past and sees itself reflected therein, sort of thing. (The woman in the song is objectified in a sense no matter which reading you take - whether as the woman not allowed to say yes, or the woman not allowed to say no.)

So, it's not dark on its own, but it's dark because of what it says about the world it's from.
 
TheBiggerFish said:
Honestly it is pretty dark. Just...In the opposite way that modern times would have us thinking of it. (Specifically, the song is about the nigh-puritanical norms of the time it was written in - the denial of agency to women - versus the modern interpretation of - well, stuff that's just absolutely not okay but in an entirely horribly different fashion.)

A repressive era in the now looks upon the art of another repressive era in the past and sees itself reflected therein, sort of thing. (The woman in the song is objectified in a sense no matter which reading you take - whether as the woman not allowed to say yes, or the woman not allowed to say no.)

So, it's not dark on its own, but it's dark because of what it says about the world it's from.
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I tend to view it as neither of those. Just a guy trying to convince his girlfriend/fiance/whatever of something she doesn't REALLY want to say no to in the first place. Faux-refusal. It's an act they're putting on, whether so she can *say* he convinced her later or not. I see really any kind of dark interpretation as reading too much into it.
 
Selonianth said:
I tend to view it as neither of those. Just a guy trying to convince his girlfriend/fiance/whatever of something she doesn't REALLY want to say no to in the first place. Faux-refusal. It's an act they're putting on, whether so she can *say* he convinced her later or not. I see really any kind of dark interpretation as reading too much into it.
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That's literally what makes it dark. In the time when the song was written, society said that good women weren't supposed to want to have sex because that'd make them sluts. As such, they have to go through this whole song and dance routine in order to get to the point. The both want to have sex, they both know that they both want to have sex, but they can't just say that they want to have sex because of the repressive puritanical morals of society.
 
SirKaid said:
That's literally what makes it dark. In the time when the song was written, society said that good women weren't supposed to want to have sex because that'd make them sluts. As such, they have to go through this whole song and dance routine in order to get to the point. The both want to have sex, they both know that they both want to have sex, but they can't just say that they want to have sex because of the repressive puritanical morals of society.
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That doesn't make it dark. That makes it educational at worst. Dark is what I've seen people claim, and that it's rapey or that he's sexually harassing or worse the woman involved because he's trying to charm.
 
dracklor said:
Obviously Dreamer and the Fates need to give Lili another skill, one that unlocks the cap on this one. :D
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There's no cap. The slope for Lili's maximum carry weight is merely something along the lines of capacity=0.85x+Str instead of capacity=1x+Str (infinite carry) or capacity=2x+Str (twice the gain she needs to actually carry something).*

*That's just me tossing out numbers; don't read too much** into the 0.85 vs 0.9 etc. The important part is that it's less than 1.

**I refuse to track precise encumbrance to that degree. T'was OK in questing, not so much here.
 
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