Marigold is probably in Narisell by now. She was just on the other side of the Parisi border in her interlude. Still has to cross most of the country to get to Lilly.
It's a Girl's World -- And Lilly wants Adventure
- Thread starter Slyvena
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- Original Mature Fantasy Action
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- She/Her
Yeah, just making a brief estimate off the map, she probably has a little less than 3 times the distance to travel as Valerie does.
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- They/Them
We don't know how strong of an artifact that rose bush even is though. We do know that some exceptions are made for the nobility who govern the region and we don't know what kind of power the high kingdoms are wielding. By their standards Waters might be using the equivalent of a child's toy to beat on toddlers.
I'd wait until we learn more about the [Rapid Iterator] from Martin before we assume too much about the relationship between Waters and the [Rapid Iterator]
Well more specifically I'm curious as to why you think she's from the east or was anywhere near Brassley, which is on the complete opposite side of Narisell from where she was, and was moving east. Granted it doesn't tell us anything about where she's coming from specifically but
At least implies she's been moving eastward for a while, and certainly wasn't on the east side of Narisell, since she can at least somewhat track Lilly's location.
Never mind, I misread that blurb as moving on to speculating about Marigold but you were still talking about Valerie, sorry.
Based on this the threshold might be fairly high.
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- Location
- Russia
This might be related to the warning at the start of first chapter.
Either deadline for secondary goal is near or dices were not merciful and tremendous change will happen a lot sooner than we hope.
- Location
- San Ramon, CA
Let's see if we can try to hit left-field.
As to the votes:
[X] Plan: It Begins With The First Rung
[X] [NIV] A walk amongst the Daisies (Preteen girl in Lira)
- What we learned about geopolitics does put the role of the Lore Warden into a different light. Slyvena said that the Ministry of Lore is tied to the capital of Narisell, but clearly Lira is integrated into it at some level (otherwise some unscrupulous king might try "misfiling" . Now, when the Ministry had her down as a low-level healer, Martin told Mathew that they'd be waiting for majority, and that he could leverage that into a few months after. But considering that Lilly is probably due for a "reevaluation", is there some way that the Lore Warden or a Liran agent would put "priority asset" on a report?
- More to the point, we don't have a clear idea of if there are other circumstances for the Noosemen to be "activated" other than turning 13. Would they investigate if Lilly skipped town? If Lord Waters declared she "accidentally" died on his expedition?
- If Valerie is a Liran noble wandering south, are there any Liran interests tailing her? It might be a "catch-22" in that killing a scion of Liran nobility is considered a high crime, but the wholesale slaughter would look bad if it's tied back to Lira. So they're either waiting for someone else to deal with her, or they're trying to determine the exact point where Valerie becomes too big of a liability to remain among the living.
As to the votes:
[X] Plan: It Begins With The First Rung
[X] [NIV] A walk amongst the Daisies (Preteen girl in Lira)
Well, if we want to talk about the Lore Warden I'll link to my post on it when we were discussing it way back when.
Still not sure why he has such high standards, and what that assumed reward is, but maybe it would mean some kind of promotion. Or something that would lead to him gaining a position of greater prominence.
Though if we're making offhand guesses, and talking about the Lore Warden, perhaps he's from Lira. With the way he talks about backwaters and such we assumed he was of the nobility of Narisell. But I figure it's possible he works directly for Lira, and was assigned to this position or was otherwise given to Narisell to place as they saw fit. Even if this isn't the answer, I think it would explain why he has such an attitude. Imagine being born, raised, and trained in one of the most powerful nations in the world. Then they ship you out to the middle of nowhere.
Still not sure why he has such high standards, and what that assumed reward is, but maybe it would mean some kind of promotion. Or something that would lead to him gaining a position of greater prominence.
Just getting out of bumfuck nowhere to at least the capital, if not a posting closer to Lira itself, might be enough whether he's from Lira or is just a local with an overly high opinion of himself. I'm thinking he's at least from one of the better regarded tributaries the way he talks though.
- Location
- Somewhere.
Wild Mass Guessing Part 5: The matter Waters was using as a pretext to yoink us is the presence of Marigold.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Hrm. Guess my wild mass guessing wasn't on the mark.
It does feel though that the real answer is "Taking something we just learned to pull something subtle in Arc 1 into context". So that's going to require a lot of reading I don't have time for while I'm still at work.
It does feel though that the real answer is "Taking something we just learned to pull something subtle in Arc 1 into context". So that's going to require a lot of reading I don't have time for while I'm still at work.
- Location
- Somewhere.
...I swear, if it's about the interlude angels...
Wait. We don't have low Fracture. We have no Fracture, according to the Lore Warden. What does that mean, when all the Captain knows of is high and low Fracture?
Wait. We don't have low Fracture. We have no Fracture, according to the Lore Warden. What does that mean, when all the Captain knows of is high and low Fracture?
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- Location
- Europe
No, we have fracture, or at least we have it in the character sheet. It is also pretty high.
It's just that we are the fracture, so they probably aren't searching for it in the right place.
You want left-field, I'll give you left-field!
1.6:
2.3:
In practically any other story I would chalk this up to a minor detail being lost in the flow... but could Lilly's memory be under tampering? If so, which account of events is correct? Who is doing the tampering? Is it specifically about Myah's situation or is this memory just collateral?
As a bonus left-field thing, I'll throw in that also in 1.6 when Dad is telling Lilly about his sisters and family he notes that his mother drank "Night's Lily" which by the associated context is poisonous because it was an inferred suicide. Related to all the Lilly's name theories somehow?
1.6:
2.3:
In 1.6 when we first approach Myah, the prose tells us that Jeremy passed first, then Myah's mother. In 2.3 when reflecting on her situation, the order of the deaths have changed. Myah's mother is described as dying first with Jeremy passing two days later.
In practically any other story I would chalk this up to a minor detail being lost in the flow... but could Lilly's memory be under tampering? If so, which account of events is correct? Who is doing the tampering? Is it specifically about Myah's situation or is this memory just collateral?
As a bonus left-field thing, I'll throw in that also in 1.6 when Dad is telling Lilly about his sisters and family he notes that his mother drank "Night's Lily" which by the associated context is poisonous because it was an inferred suicide. Related to all the Lilly's name theories somehow?
- Location
- Europe
... So... Jeremy is alive. And it has a flow power, and maybe even a reversed ethos. And someone has hidden the existence of the dungeon until recently. Well.
- Location
- Somewhere.
...Yes, we're named after the poisonous lily.
...Yes, of course.
I absolutely did not forget we knew that. I was just... checking with everyone else. Absolutely.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
That... must have been rough for Yolun. 
- Location
- San Ramon, CA
The exact phrase the Lore Warden used was:
I think his testing methods only really measured our Source value, which is pitifully low for both Fracture and Tension. However, our Fracture shaping and our Tension channeling are fairly high. I think part of the trick is that Lilly has higher than average control, but no real "range". [Sample Space] and [Ladder] combined make us "lucky", but I'm guessing that Senus can do things that are more "blatant wizardry", while the most Lilly has been able to actively influence outside herself is being "Master of Ant's Destinies and Queen of the Falling Rocks".
- Location
- Somewhere.
...is it time to panic? It feels like it's time to panic.
- Location
- Europe
The sequence of events in 1.6. It seems tailor made to not make you think Jeremy could have gotten an ethos before "dying".
- Location
- Somewhere.
[X] [NIV] A walk amongst the Daisies (Preteen girl in Lira)
[] Plan: It Begins With The First Rung
I mostly like this plan. However, what I don't agree with is the approach to Zach. Right now, what Lily and her family need to do is all just talk and resolve their problems. Yolun needs to apologize to Zach like how he apologized to us. Sarah deserves to be involved in the conversation as well.
I propose we instead set up a talk with Mom, Dad, and Zach and figure out both the emotional issues and also help figure out how best to help Zach. Come clean to Mom and Zach on everything. Explain what Captain Martin told you about inverted ethos and that you found out Zach will get one in 12 days. Present Both Options to discuss. Option A (our preferred option) of using all our powers comnbined (rest state, true song, relations, subversion, collective communications etc) to help Zach out. Option B of Domain piercing. Zach deserves to also have his say on this. Yolun and Sarah, while somewhat flawed parents, are still more mature than both of you and are trustworthy and also mostly more knowledgeable.
So I propose
Standalone version:
-[X] [NGC] All the problems in you family seem to stem from one thing. Poor communication. Dad hurt both you and Zach with his poor communication. Mom hurt you thinking she knew best. Are you going to repeat their same mistakes? No!! You are coming clean about everything (all your ethea) to everyone in the family old enough to understand. It worked well with Dad and it work with Mom and Zach as well. There will be no silent suffering anymore. You are going to explain the options to everyone old enough in your family. You believe you might be able to protect Zach from the worst effects of an inverted ethos, with a lot of work and creativity. You have Rest State, True Song, Collective Communications, Subversion, Towering Under the Heavens and who knows what else in the next 12 days. This is your preferred option, but you have to be honest and admit there is another, more safer way. You could pierce Zach's Domain and make it so he was unable to get an ethos. He would be safer this way, though it would be a tragedy in its own right. You would prefer not to do this, but it is an option.
[X] Honest is the best policy
-[X] [FonL] You're not thinking this through, you've got too many watchers on you and there's still too much to go with--but touching base with a friend after a night of horrors? That's normal, right? When you get time, touch base with Myah--you already managed to help... Whatever it is that's going on with her, and your senses have gotten a great deal better, you should be able to get to the bottom of what's going on just by leaning on your Essence abilities and provide some treatment--maybe even figure out the source of her illness? You can figure out what to do next once you know more.
-[X] [WiT] Go to Madam Silva and use your favour in return for an explanation on how Divination works and its common limitations.
--[X] You've got a cover story, at least twice now you and your family have gotten into trouble because of those apparent limitations. A few questions here and there to pinpoint where they are would be key so that there would be no such trouble in the future is just, reasonable, right?
-[X] [Bfig] Relations <- Entwining the world.
-[X] [TaM] Riemannian Geometer
-[X] [TaM] True Song (Investigate Repairs)
-[X] [TaM] Rest State
-[X] [TT] One question a day, or whenever I feel my reserve has become completely full. (Default+, how the Ladder has been working but tweaked to not waste potential when at full reserve. Operates best at pre-warning of long-term dangers.)
--[X] Current Priorities: How to escape Waters' grasp without leaving my family to suffer, how to help Zach come out of his Ethos Selection in one piece.
-[X] [NGC] All the problems in you family seem to stem from one thing. Poor communication. Dad hurt both you and Zach with his poor communication. Mom hurt you thinking she knew best. Are you going to repeat their same mistakes? No!! You are coming clean about everything (all your ethea) to everyone in the family old enough to understand. It worked well with Dad and it work with Mom and Zach as well. There will be no silent suffering anymore. You are going to explain the options to everyone old enough in your family. You believe you might be able to protect Zach from the worst effects of an inverted ethos, with a lot of work and creativity. You have Rest State, True Song, Collective Communications, Subversion, Towering Under the Heavens and who knows what else in the next 12 days. This is your preferred option, but you have to be honest and admit there is another, more safer way. You could pierce Zach's Domain and make it so he was unable to get an ethos. He would be safer this way, though it would be a tragedy in its own right. You would prefer not to do this, but it is an option.
-[X] [AC] You are almost certainly being monitored. While private areas are likely safe, between any remaining spies in town and in the watch--and whatever it was that was on that rose was bad enough that you scrubbed your own memory of the events, and even trying to recall why was apparently dangerous. Maintain information security unless in an area you can be reasonably certain hasn't been bugged, and take great care around Roses for the immediate future.
[] Plan: It Begins With The First Rung
I mostly like this plan. However, what I don't agree with is the approach to Zach. Right now, what Lily and her family need to do is all just talk and resolve their problems. Yolun needs to apologize to Zach like how he apologized to us. Sarah deserves to be involved in the conversation as well.
I propose we instead set up a talk with Mom, Dad, and Zach and figure out both the emotional issues and also help figure out how best to help Zach. Come clean to Mom and Zach on everything. Explain what Captain Martin told you about inverted ethos and that you found out Zach will get one in 12 days. Present Both Options to discuss. Option A (our preferred option) of using all our powers comnbined (rest state, true song, relations, subversion, collective communications etc) to help Zach out. Option B of Domain piercing. Zach deserves to also have his say on this. Yolun and Sarah, while somewhat flawed parents, are still more mature than both of you and are trustworthy and also mostly more knowledgeable.
So I propose
Standalone version:
-[X] [NGC] All the problems in you family seem to stem from one thing. Poor communication. Dad hurt both you and Zach with his poor communication. Mom hurt you thinking she knew best. Are you going to repeat their same mistakes? No!! You are coming clean about everything (all your ethea) to everyone in the family old enough to understand. It worked well with Dad and it work with Mom and Zach as well. There will be no silent suffering anymore. You are going to explain the options to everyone old enough in your family. You believe you might be able to protect Zach from the worst effects of an inverted ethos, with a lot of work and creativity. You have Rest State, True Song, Collective Communications, Subversion, Towering Under the Heavens and who knows what else in the next 12 days. This is your preferred option, but you have to be honest and admit there is another, more safer way. You could pierce Zach's Domain and make it so he was unable to get an ethos. He would be safer this way, though it would be a tragedy in its own right. You would prefer not to do this, but it is an option.
[X] Honest is the best policy
-[X] [FonL] You're not thinking this through, you've got too many watchers on you and there's still too much to go with--but touching base with a friend after a night of horrors? That's normal, right? When you get time, touch base with Myah--you already managed to help... Whatever it is that's going on with her, and your senses have gotten a great deal better, you should be able to get to the bottom of what's going on just by leaning on your Essence abilities and provide some treatment--maybe even figure out the source of her illness? You can figure out what to do next once you know more.
-[X] [WiT] Go to Madam Silva and use your favour in return for an explanation on how Divination works and its common limitations.
--[X] You've got a cover story, at least twice now you and your family have gotten into trouble because of those apparent limitations. A few questions here and there to pinpoint where they are would be key so that there would be no such trouble in the future is just, reasonable, right?
-[X] [Bfig] Relations <- Entwining the world.
-[X] [TaM] Riemannian Geometer
-[X] [TaM] True Song (Investigate Repairs)
-[X] [TaM] Rest State
-[X] [TT] One question a day, or whenever I feel my reserve has become completely full. (Default+, how the Ladder has been working but tweaked to not waste potential when at full reserve. Operates best at pre-warning of long-term dangers.)
--[X] Current Priorities: How to escape Waters' grasp without leaving my family to suffer, how to help Zach come out of his Ethos Selection in one piece.
-[X] [NGC] All the problems in you family seem to stem from one thing. Poor communication. Dad hurt both you and Zach with his poor communication. Mom hurt you thinking she knew best. Are you going to repeat their same mistakes? No!! You are coming clean about everything (all your ethea) to everyone in the family old enough to understand. It worked well with Dad and it work with Mom and Zach as well. There will be no silent suffering anymore. You are going to explain the options to everyone old enough in your family. You believe you might be able to protect Zach from the worst effects of an inverted ethos, with a lot of work and creativity. You have Rest State, True Song, Collective Communications, Subversion, Towering Under the Heavens and who knows what else in the next 12 days. This is your preferred option, but you have to be honest and admit there is another, more safer way. You could pierce Zach's Domain and make it so he was unable to get an ethos. He would be safer this way, though it would be a tragedy in its own right. You would prefer not to do this, but it is an option.
-[X] [AC] You are almost certainly being monitored. While private areas are likely safe, between any remaining spies in town and in the watch--and whatever it was that was on that rose was bad enough that you scrubbed your own memory of the events, and even trying to recall why was apparently dangerous. Maintain information security unless in an area you can be reasonably certain hasn't been bugged, and take great care around Roses for the immediate future.
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Yes, but the main thing I have is not about the whole Trying to figure out thing, its about doing it all alone. We aren't the only decision maker here. Zach deserves to be involved, and so do our parents.
Rungs of Wisdom are also not perfect when it comes to powertesting. They can help with obvious things we can easily do, but I strongly doubt anything that will be able to help Zach is such. Conceptual stuff is the realm of Flow after all.