It's a Girl's World -- And Lilly wants Adventure

Her hair brown before her awakening, some consequence of her Ethos.
"turned brown"?
"I suspect it did concern my future[,] father,"
Unless she foresees some future father inher life, a comma is likely required.
What I would give to know those bastard's names, sometimes I wonder if I'd chosen that other Ethos when it came…
"bastards' "
Although I wonder what he refers to.
You'd be taught ways narrow your Ethos,
"to narrow"?
you not at this distance
"note"

He'll tell you everything if you ask later as you exit under Harmuph's gates.

You are incredibly proud of yourself for not screaming in the middle of the street as knowledge just appears in your head.
[...]
You know your father will tell you what happened if you ask later under Harmuph's gates. It is a certainty so true that it feels more like a memory than a prediction.
I would greatly question the logic of trusting a prediction of the future that comes from the Ethos, the core point of which is that there are no predictions.
How does this even work? Is it like a choice between potential futures, each of them pre-determined sans our actions?

Yeah, I know what I'll be voting.

[x] Vague explanation. Hint at powerful and mysterious forces being at work. That your Ethos is unique from others in ways that would be trouble if it was revealed.

"Open the gates a little" is a meme, but this might not be merely a matter of trust. The less they know, the less they can give away. And giving information away doesn't have to be on purpose, as we have just seen from our test results.

[x] (Power) [Cleaver of Fortune] has gained a new feature. But you still don't really understand what it could do before that. Experiment and try to suss out how to actively put it use.

I'd like to get a handle on this power before we start depending on our assumptions about it.
That means you actually have a better understanding of your Lvl 1 [Cleaver of Fortune] power than you do of your Lvl 0.
Wait, our lvl 0 what? Both of our Ethoses are lvl 1.

[x] Gushing. You are incredibly grateful and will make sure both your father and Mathew know it.

It's a rare occasion, ok? We can act our age once in a while.

[x] Keep things in reserve. Use what you have but don't push the limits. You just don't know what could go wrong otherwise.

No. Mathew doesn't think we have anything to hide, and we can't make him not talk if anything suitably tentacled occurs.

[x] They came to hang from her branches, to rest beneath her canopy.

[x] Heartsworn (Common)
[x] Intuitor (Common)

I like Intuitor for the boons it provides, and Heartsworn thematically. I don't know if approval votes are allowed; if not, I'll pick Heartsworn alone.

May I suggest structuring votes as tasks? It can be done by formatting the options in the following format:
[ ] [Risks and Gambles] The best possible time to expand the scope of your abilities is during training. Once in a life-time opportunity. You can trust Mathew, he can probably even give you novel advice you wouldn't think of yourself.
[ ] [Risks and Gambles] Keep things in reserve. Use what you have but don't push the limits. You just don't know what could go wrong otherwise.

[ ] [Level Up] They came to hang from her branches, to rest beneath her canopy.
[ ] [Level Up] The roots sank deep, searching, yearning, until finally, water.
[ ] [Level Up] He grew taller each day, until the sun came to rest in his embrace.
[ ] [Level Up] Claw scratched and tail lashed, but the bark remained unmarred.
Makes the tallying easier. I keep treating (Family) and (Power) as tasks and trying to vote for each. >_>
 
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I would greatly question the logic of trusting a prediction of the future that comes from the Ethos, the core point of which is that there are no predictions.
How does this even work? Is it like a choice between potential futures, each of them pre-determined sans our actions?
I think its more of looking ahead? It tells you what some of the predetermined paths are, so you can choose to ignore them or follow them.
Can't break fate if theres no fate.
 
Thank you for the update Sylvena!

It's somewhat both a relief and a concern to know that the Lore Warden isn't that much of a narrow-minded fool to think Lily is only suitable for birthing magically powerful babies. Still, fuck him and the princess healer in the tower bullshit. Glad that that Lily's old man agrees.
Huh, it makes sense that Yolun grew up under the shadow of a great man who failed his family, a family that only survived due to female leadership and hardiness. Wonder which of the three sisters Lily reminds him of? Probably not Cherish.

Only seven months until Lily is thirteenth. I thought she only turned twelve last month. Am I mistaken or does the year composed of only eight months?

Yolun's relief when Lily behaved childlike and wished to hang with a friend rather than shadow him for adults' responsibilities was cute. Sad to see that we were close to discovering what worries Myah so much, but at least Lily isn't in the habit of becoming a fainting seer. I am rather worried for the poor girl, hope she can join Lily in the forest but nothing to do about it right now.

I liked the scene with Zach, a very nice job of depicting a preteen sibling relationship. In general, I like this entire family and how you write their interactions.

So thoughts concerning the votes. Still not planning to vote since I want to hear other people opinions and I am currently rather busy, but here are my few cents:
Family and Trust- Dad solidify himself as an important ally, this combined with Lily's tendency toward partial truth rather than outright lying points me toward the more open options. The problem is the involvement of our mystery (probable eldritch) benefactor and its probable enemies might mean the more other people know the greater risk they are in. Ignorance might be bliss and I have no idea what to vote.
The Early Morn- Experimenting with her powers might before training might tire Lily too much, leaving me with the first two options. Doing early chores is the responsible option, which might improve Lily's animal magic and the chance of her riding off to the wilds with Chariot. Playing with Marcus is irresponsible but it let Lily rest and behave like a child while also comforting at least one baby brother after a month of grieving which seems rather important after the scene with Zach.
The [Blessed Armsman] -I don't know and I am rather tired of thinking.
Risks and Gambles - Related to the reasoning for the Family and Trust and The [Blessed Armsman] votes. AKA I'm too tired.
Level Up - Oh boy I actually have ramblings for this vote:
They came to hang from her branches, to rest beneath her canopy. -> Safety, related to the tree role as a home and mini-ecosystem for others. On a grimmer note, the way this option is phrased makes me think of hanging trees and corpses, but that might just be me.​
The roots sank deep, searching, yearning, until finally, water. -> Survival and dedication, particularity for one the sake of oneself and wishes. Roots might uproot important structures (both man-made and natural) but they also help in anchoring unstable surroundings and making them more livable to others. Also, roots play an important part in inter-plants communications (even if scientists still don't know how) and how the forest as a singular organism acts. Of course, the last one might not be relevant for this specific vote.​
He grew taller each day, until the sun came to rest in his embrace. -> Growth, fulfillment, and ambition. Combines part of the dedication theme of the previous option with the survival aspect replaced by ambition undertone.​
Claw scratched and tail lashed, but the bark remained unmarred. -> Survival and defense against hostile beings (and their society?). Can't say that entering survivor mode already is the most appealing option in my eyes, but we can't ignore that one of our goals is that Lily won't die and actually reach the impressive age of fifteen years old.​
New Ethos-Unsurprisingly this is another vote for which I have thoughts:
Service to Man -> NO.
More seriously family and duty are important and I am sure it has some nice benefits but Lily as she is currently doesn't want to live for and through others' achievements.​
Keeper -> Interesting choice after seeing a bit of the Ministry of Lore and especially after meeting the oh so wonderful Lore Warden. Might create a path for Lily to become a keeper of secret knowledge. Considering that Lily doesn't know how to read this ethos might help her learn or will lead to her creating a new written language for her own use. Both will be useful for building an outsiders' tree-punk society. Come into the forest we have cookies and we are getting rid of the patriarchy!
Lamenter -> This one is rather cool. It combines rather well with Lily's wish to comfort and connect with members of her family (especially as seen in today's interaction with her dad). In real life cultures, the role of a professional mourner creates a place outside normal society accepted behavior and it sounds like some of this freedom can happen here as well. The big downside of this cool ethos and potential freedom is the sheer level of emotional labor implied.​
Heartsworn -> Sounds like it would let Lily to force her fairy tale logic upon the world, which is definitely cool.​
Brave Blood -> Lily will become a more martial bent adventurer. Obviously will show in the training and might hint people about Lilt multi-ethos abilities.​
Engraver -> Probably a good way to combine Lily's abilities and her heritage as a carpenter without harming trees. Also witching vibes and creating her own magical language.​
Intuitor -> Sounds like the most practical ethos considering Lily's multi-ethos skill. I suspect it might force a certain level cap in different skills.​
This thing took too much time to write, so I might have missed some relevant discussion. Anyway I am off to write my actual essay, thanks again Slyvena.
 
Finally caught up to this and now I feel bad for not having done so earlier. Congratulations on the good work so far.

[X] Vague explanation. Hint at powerful and mysterious forces being at work. That your Ethos is unique from others in ways that would be trouble if it was revealed.
[X] The whole truth. Both of your Ethos and of what reached out to you in the Forest that night. Swear your father to silence.
[X] (Power) [Cleaver of Fortune] has gained a new feature. But you still don't really understand what it could do before that. Experiment and try to suss out how to actively put it use.
[X] (Power) The words of wisdom are fickle and seemingly random. Try to get a handle on how to control or at least steer them.
[X] Confident. You're going to do great, now that someone is finally willing to give you a chance.
[X] Keep things in reserve. Use what you have but don't push the limits. You just don't know what could go wrong otherwise.
[X] The roots sank deep, searching, yearning, until finally, water.
[X] They came to hang from her branches, to rest beneath her canopy.
[X] Heartsworn (Common)
[X] Engraver (Common)
[X] Keeper (Lesser)


Our father has won a lot of trust from me, so I'm open to telling him more, although I'm not sure if it's a good idea to jump straight into cuthullu territory. Mathew meanwhile I don't really see a reason to trust very far and given all the weirdness with out magic.

As for the new Ethos though, a lot of interesting options, but after all of Lily's gushing about magic items, Engraver calls out to me. There's also a bit of a character aspect with it mentioning our father's rulework which somewhat ties in with our relationship improving now after the heart to heart, so yeah, I like it.
"-You ran." Myah states, cutting you off. There is a strange sort of confidence passing over her now, an excitement that you can't place. "But how did you trick the Diviner? How did you make sure they couldn't find you," her expression changes to one of confusion as she continues, which incidentally is exactly how you're feeling. "But… then why did you come back? Did it stop working?" she questions.
Man, seeing someone this desperate to find a way to run away without needing to worry about being found is never a good sign. It might be obvious to say, but I'm very worried about what's going on with her.
- You actually rolled quite well in your conversation with Zach. Don't let the tempers fool you, the idea that you love and care for him got across. Siblings gonna Sibling, despite whatever else is going on.
Yeah, that checks out. Especially with all the complications going on right now.
 
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An archaic form of English, Lilly sometimes speaks/thinks weird that way because she thinks it makes her sound more sophisticated and mature.
Thanks for the corrections :)


How does this even work?
Very vaguely hinted at the mechanics behind this in her Ethos unlock vision in 1.5
You'll need to learn more about Concordance and the mechanics behind Fracture and Tension to get more info.

Wait, our lvl 0 what? Both of our Ethoses are lvl 1.
The powers you gain when you first choose an Ethos are what I refer to as your Lvl0 ones. Both are up to Lvl1 and [Dream Within the Forest] is currently about to level up to Lvl2.

May I suggest structuring votes as tasks?

I actually really like that idea and will probably do it that way from now on.
 
I thought she only turned twelve last month.

12 is median age for awakening an Ethos but it doesn't actually have to happen on your birthday. That was true in an early draft of this concept.
She was about 12 and 4 months in 1.1. There is some strange cosmology, but I'll wait to get into that until it becomes relevant.
 
[X] Acknowledge there is more. Try to persuade Father that you have very good reasons for not sharing them.
Seems the most forthright, and if dad insists, we can still share stuff, I hope.

[X] (Power) You're physically stronger now. What are you limits? How far can you push things?
Should have the best synergy with the rest of our day - wouldn't do to not know our limits when we go into physical training later on.

[X] Reserved. You don't know this man, but you'll see how things go.
[X] Confident. You're going to do great, now that someone is finally willing to give you a chance.
One of those two, I guess. @Slyvena can we do approval voting, i.e. vote for more than one option?

[X] The best possible time to expand the scope of your abilities is during training. Once in a life-time opportunity. You can trust Mathew, he can probably even give you novel advice you wouldn't think of yourself.
Synergy with testing our limits beforehand. Also: good rolls might give us new opportunities in the future.

[X] Claw scratched and tail lashed, but the bark remained unmarred.
Barkskin is a go.

[X] Intuitor (Common)
Better learning when we get a trainer? Better learning at all? Always gonna get my vote.
 
As for what is going on with Zach, hmm. Wasn't he the one who should have inherited our father's trade? Not only was he passed over in favor of us, but it turns out we never wanted it in the first place. That probably contributes to his complicated feelings towards what happened. And now we are getting an expensive tutor, and for what? For disobeying the parents and denying the family's wishes.

A classic parable of the prodigal son daughter from where he is standing.
"Learn to take no for an answer Lilly. Oh I know, I'm sure dad will be happy to spend all of tomorrow hanging out and teaching you, not that you were ever grateful!"
His resentment is likely tempered by our recent death-and-resurrection, and the feeling that we may be in some kind of danger, which is the reason we need a tutor in the first place.

He'll come around in a few days.
 
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One of those two, I guess. @Slyvena can we do approval voting, i.e. vote for more than one option?

This is my first ever quest and I'm getting a handle on how this whole vote thing works. (Honestly thought I'd have to count by hand when I started :confused::o). So for now I'd rather keep it simple. I use the inbuilt tally tool to count whatever people's latest vote is.
Can the inbuilt tool do approval voting? I've tried to avoid offering vote options that are too similiar too each other for the express purpose of avoiding the most popular ideas getting split over minor differences.
 
Can the inbuilt tool do approval voting?
It just counts a voter towards both options.

It is not a matter of whether a tool can do this, it's a matter of whether a QM allows multiple votes for people who can't pick one. Their final vote will be counted towards most polular option.

As for drawbacks... people say it tends to create ties more often than regular votes.
 
Hmm, we've already had a few ties so far. So I'm going to say no for now.
 
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You know what. Okay.

Let's see how it goes. Approval voting is approved for now. If it makes an avalanche of ties over the next few updates, I'll ban it.
 
This is my first ever quest and I'm getting a handle on how this whole vote thing works. (Honestly thought I'd have to count by hand when I started :confused::o). So for now I'd rather keep it simple. I use the inbuilt tally tool to count whatever people's latest vote is.
Can the inbuilt tool do approval voting? I've tried to avoid offering vote options that are too similiar too each other for the express purpose of avoiding the most popular ideas getting split over minor differences.
When counting only the latest vote the tool counts all the votes in the latest post with any vote in it, per voter.

So, in the case of my vote it does count both votes for how to react to Mathew. I'm actually not sure how to get the tool to not do that :D

If allowed it can help making sure that unpopular options don't win (in the sense of "the majority voted for other options, but split over different options"), because people can vote for all the things they are fine with.

In this case: I don't want "gushing" to win. Maybe 10 people vote for it. And 9 people vote for "reserved" and 9 people vote for "confident". So, now "gushing" wins, when the majority voted for something else. Allowing approval voting might have pushed the other two oprions, since they are more similar, to something like 11 and 13, for example.

For me, it makes sense to have approval voting when you have options that are on a spectrum or something similar, so people can choose which part of the spectrum they are fine with, and the most overlap will win.

edit: Strangered quite a lot... :D
 
They came to hang from her branches, to rest beneath her canopy. -> Safety, related to the tree role as a home and mini-ecosystem for others. On a grimmer note, the way this option is phrased makes me think of hanging trees and corpses, but that might just be me.
The roots sank deep, searching, yearning, until finally, water. -> Survival and dedication, particularity for one the sake of oneself and wishes. Roots might uproot important structures (both man-made and natural) but they also help in anchoring unstable surroundings and making them more livable to others. Also, roots play an important part in inter-plants communications (even if scientists still don't know how) and how the forest as a singular organism acts. Of course, the last one might not be relevant for this specific vote.
He grew taller each day, until the sun came to rest in his embrace. -> Growth, fulfillment, and ambition. Combines part of the dedication theme of the previous option with the survival aspect replaced by ambition undertone.
Claw scratched and tail lashed, but the bark remained unmarred. -> Survival and defense against hostile beings (and their society?). Can't say that entering survivor mode already is the most appealing option in my eyes, but we can't ignore that one of our goals is that Lily won't die and actually reach the impressive age of fifteen years old.
Being honest, the first image that came to my mind for the branch/canopy option is the kind of animal gathering around a disney princess scene. As such, I'm inclined to agree with the first reading of a home/Ecosystem. Though I'm not sure if that's actually going to involve animals, more general healing kind of stuff, or something else entirely.

For the roots option, the finally water remark strikes me as important. Yes, there's a note of preserverance, but also the promise of finding some kind of nurishment from it. I can't say what exactly that's going to be of course. Maybe something tangible along the lines of being able to draw the natural energy from the earth/other things (which in turn could very well tie into how we're now abble to maintain and heal ourselves with natural energy), or else finding something more tied to what we've been struggling with in the first place? At least I'd assume it's more about the roots as a means to reach the proverbial water, than tangential purposes like uprooting structures or communication.

The taller option I'm somewhat curious about to be honest. At first glance it seems to be doubling down on our physical growth and how we're stronger now, but the sun part has me wondering if there's maybe something more metaphorical.

The bark seems straightforward though.
Intuitor -> Sounds like the most practical ethos considering Lily's multi-ethos skill. I suspect it might force a certain level cap in different skills.
I'd actually disagree there. Having more than one ethos means we're naturally going to have a much wider skill set than most. That means we're already likely to have a tool for many situations and in turn sharply diminishes the use for a Jack-of-all-trades ability. It's still not bad of course, but if there's anything that synergizes well with the multi-ethos ability it's the Keeper Ethos, for allowing us to more quickly understand our various magical knacks to reduce the amount of time we'll stumble around in figuring them out and giving us a better shot at figuring out further ethos powers and how our various ethoses might interplay with each other.
 
[X] The whole truth. Both of your Ethos and of what reached out to you in the Forest that night. Swear your father to silence.
[x] (Power) Seeing the 'memory' in wood is actually a lot of fun. How else could such an ability be put to use?
[X] Confident. You're going to do great, now that someone is finally willing to give you a chance.
[x] Keep things in reserve. Use what you have but don't push the limits. You just don't know what could go wrong otherwise.
[X] Claw scratched and tail lashed, but the bark remained unmarred.
[x] Intuitor (Common)
 
[X] The whole truth. Both of your Ethos and of what reached out to you in the Forest that night. Swear your father to silence.
What he doesn't know can in fact hurt him, and events are already moving beyond our control. He and Mother at least need to know(Not that I don't trust Lilly's siblings, but Micah in particular to strikes me as too young both to handle the initial gruesome details and to actually keep a secret this important).

[X] (Power) Seeing the 'memory' in wood is actually a lot of fun. How else could such an ability be put to use?
Really need to start exploring our First Ethos more properly.

[X] Gushing. You are incredibly grateful and will make sure both your father and Mathew know it.
We are grateful, and she's young. If it weren't for all the recent weirdness this would probably be the most exciting thing that's ever happened to her.

[X] The best possible time to expand the scope of your abilities is during training. Once in a life-time opportunity. You can trust Mathew, he can probably even give you novel advice you wouldn't think of yourself.
We have an opportunity and a brief period of relative safety. Better now than when we need to know what we can do.

[X] Claw scratched and tail lashed, but the bark remained unmarred.
They all seem interesting but this is both relatively straightforward and immediately useful.

[X] Heartsworn (Common)
This sounds both incredibly cool and true to Lilly's character. Though I wouldn't mind most of the others. Rest in pieces Trophy Wife Ethos, ye shall not be missed.

Okay, the tally is really silly. Even the exact same text bolded and unbolded is counted separately.
 
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Okay, the tally is really silly. Even the exact same text bolded and unbolded is counted separately.
True, but as far as I can tell it's not actually making a difference right now.

Winning right now:
6 people have voted
[] Gushing. You are incredibly grateful and will make sure both your father and Mathew know it.

6 people have voted
[] Intuitor (Common)

5 people have voted
[] The best possible time to expand the scope of your abilities is during training. Once in a life-time opportunity. You can trust Mathew, he can probably even give you novel advice you wouldn't think of yourself.

5 people have voted
[] Claw scratched and tail lashed, but the bark remained unmarred.

4 people have voted
[] The whole truth. Both of your Ethos and of what reached out to you in the Forest that night. Swear your father to silence.

3 people have voted
[] (Power) Seeing the 'memory' in wood is actually a lot of fun. How else could such an ability be put to use?

Most open right now is the "Power" part. And, well, it's all not huge numbers, so things could easily change around...on that point, do we have a timeframe, when vote'll close, @Slyvena ?
 
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do we have a timeframe, when vote'll close, @Slyvena ?

Probably in about 12 hours (which is Sunday noon for me) as I'll get a start on the next update Sunday arvo before the work week.

I got a little interlude ready that I'll post a couple hours before the vote closes.

(I will give the tally a bit of an extra look to make sure bolded/unbolded doesn't make a key difference etc)
 
Okay, the tally is really silly. Even the exact same text bolded and unbolded is counted separately.
True, but as far as I can tell it's not actually making a difference right now.
Does it though? What gets displayed as bold and what doesn't is a bit screwy, but as far as I can tell votes like Nando's Confident vote (not bolded) is counted together with the bolded Confident votes, for example. The only thing that actually seems to be getting seperated out is the one still in plan format.
 
You mean Marcus? Micah is the middle brother.

Suppose I do, whoops. And I was just thinking about him when we were dealing with Zach, since he was initially the most reserved and I would have expected any issues to come up with him first.


That was in fact the original two word inspiration behind [Service to Man] :lol: before it got fleshed out into the lore.
Shockingly Lilly didn't bite. It is honestly quite narratively satisfying watching it get rejected so resoundingly.

😛 General creepiness aside, it was always far too small for Lilly, it's only value as a mask. Given how things have gone so far, I'm not sure how long that would have lasted anyway.


Does it though? What gets displayed as bold and what doesn't is a bit screwy, but as far as I can tell votes like Nando's Confident vote (not bolded) is counted together with the bolded Confident votes, for example. The only thing that actually seems to be getting seperated out is the one still in plan format.

Hmm, you're right. I could have sworn it was doing that earlier, but when I look at its only the - that's separating them.
 
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Ehhhh.

Yeah, the thing is, we're already going to have an embarrassment of options. Jack of All Trades sounds good on the forefront, but failing to focus when we know that we're going to be in grave danger down the line is folly. First, gain the tools to survive--it's literally the hierarchy of needs as I understand it--[Intuitor] is great at improving quality of life by ensuring you're never completely out of your depth in any given field, but when we know there's Scary Shit out there and that [Cleaver of Fate] is going to annoy some of them, and we don't know when they'll find us. The sooner we're at least in a position to defend ourselves, the safer we'll be.

We know we're going to be in grave danger--this is a fact. [Brave Blood]--of our options--is one that is excellent at handling danger. It is never bad to have excellent athleticism, and we've already been told that [Brave Blood] is so broad in scope that it locks out almost nothing.

Lilly's Father is definitely an ally--and the whole point of parents is that you're supposed to trust them with everything. Because they know more than you do. Giving half assed information is worse than staying completely mum because they might draw different conclusions then you did. And the fact you couldn't bring yourself to tell them the whole story makes it look that much worse

Furthermore, we have a very rare opportunity to train with someone who has a Rare Ethos that decided to go full ham on training. Excelling in that field doesn't just maximize our gains. It increases the chance that we'll have an opportunity to gain even more out of it by potentially becoming a direct disciple instead of a pity favor.

Again, it's been hammered in several times that 'Lilly's lack of knowledge is going to be her greatest weakness in this story'. Leaning on the experience of your elders is literally what you're supposed to do.

Nobody ever became a Hero by ignoring the opportunities that good mentors offered them, or by just going "Let's just make sure we're okay at everything." [Intuitor] would be a nice choice... If we didn't have an opportunity to skyrocket Lilly's survivability by seizing a potent confluence of events with both hands. Because what are the odds that we'll get better attunement to a martial adventure Ethos right as we have an opportunity to learn from someone who has a Rare Ethos that they bent towards training people?.

Specialize First, branch out once your specialty is secure. And events have conspired to let us gain a solid specialty in martial adventuring. Take it
 
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