Slyvena
I don't like pie.
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The green colour means it happened that chapter. So not pre-existing, but during the events of 1.1
It's a Girl's World -- And Lilly wants Adventure
- Thread starter Slyvena
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- Original Mature Fantasy Action
The green colour means it happened that chapter. So not pre-existing, but during the events of 1.1
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
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Does this mean my theory from yesterday was right and it was Colossus who triggered our first Ethos?
It does make sense, Flower was described as passive to the point her reacting at all was an aberration. If their pet project was tampered with by an outsider
Does this mean my theory from yesterday was right and it was Colossus who triggered our first Ethos?
It does make sense, Flower was described as passive to the point her reacting at all was an aberration. If their pet project was tampered with by an outsider
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Slyvena
I don't like pie.
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There's a certain heavily foreshadowed hillock with some Nights Lillies not far from here you'll probably want Lilly to go spellunking around.
So we have to first learn runes the long slow way in order to even use them? Boooo!
Anyways, rune discovery is a case where division of labor makes the most sense (especially since Lilly kinda hates runes). Instead of one, get fifty rune developers ready to activate templates at the same time, connect everyone via coordination; the Sample Space picks which combo to activate/leave inactivate and either steps an individual away from, or allows them to activate their runes. Intent should actually be clear without moving, but just in case.
(Unless Sample Space helps in a way other than merely the rune testing,)
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Slyvena
I don't like pie.
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Runes are a bit understated in the story atm, Harmuph is in the middle of 'No' and 'Where' when it comes to magical innovation. At a certain point runes stop being "hey I added this magic feature to a sword" and just start being straight up Magi-tech.
...darn, now we have to go elsewhere (or else somehow make Harmuph into a centre of learning, which is less than impossible with the Rapid Iterator and Towering Edifice here).
Oh, would [I Tear The Veil] have been useful for accelerated learning? A missed opportunity!
So, Lilly only seems to know about inscribing runes by hand, but do they actually have to be? If they can be pre-inscribed (prescribed?) that can open up many opportunities for mass-production and maybe sample space.
Oh, would [I Tear The Veil] have been useful for accelerated learning? A missed opportunity!
So, Lilly only seems to know about inscribing runes by hand, but do they actually have to be? If they can be pre-inscribed (prescribed?) that can open up many opportunities for mass-production and maybe sample space.
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- San Ramon, CA
I just noticed in the latest character sheet that the maximum grasp for Collective Communion is now XX/20 instead of XX/10, and that it's listed as Lvls 3 & 4. It's that this is some version of the "misplaced" subskills that get resorted when we unlock the appropriate Milestone expansion, but I'm thinking that the major hint is that The World Beneath unlocks so. Much. More than we can currently comprehend.
Also, one overlooked ability (amongst many) was the Shinigami Eyes that Lilly briefly unlocked when contemplating the fates of ants. Just something else to put on the pile.
Also, one overlooked ability (amongst many) was the Shinigami Eyes that Lilly briefly unlocked when contemplating the fates of ants. Just something else to put on the pile.
Oh...
Master of Ant's fates, and through that, Diviner of everyone else's!
We can precommit to giving an ant food in 3 hours if a course of action succeeds (/if we don't get attacked, etc), and not doing so if it fails.
Master of Ant's fates, and through that, Diviner of everyone else's!
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Slyvena
I don't like pie.
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Technically. It's not an exact parallel but if you've read Worm; Victor is where you'd start and Glaistig Uaine is where you'd finish.
The advantage of runes is they can persist without active maintenance. It takes a lot more to also make them power themselves but the potential is there. They are by and large the most common method of enchanting. You can write them in the air, but only people with access to an Ethos allowing for insanely fast creation (like [Quickwrit Stennovoker]) or tremendous stabilization have a hope at that.
Glyphs are short term magic patterns that produce a desired effect, many of which have been inspired by watching Pithe abilities among other things. They are insane energy hogs, a Rune could do what a Glyph does for less than 1% the cost.
Runes and Glyphs are both technically a form of 'lesser magic'. As long as you have innate Mana or a handy Channel then you can learn and use them.
\/ Mild Spoilers \/
But the real sexy stuff starts with Spellworks, which only those with a Mana or Oath (and once in a blue moon Essence/Flow) Ethos have any hope of using (but which are still different to Mana/Oath Ethea abilities). You saw a couple examples of Spells from your teammates in the battle climax.
The difference between Spellworks and Spells is that Spellworks are a broader field (being an engineer) and Spells (building an engine) are ready-made designs that the mage has become proficient with, assembled from the combined Spellworks the mage knows.
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- United States of America, Michigan
Hmm both these very much seem to be Maw related and I can't see anything else that would give us Maw Awareness besides maybe the sense of unknown danger Lilly felt a thrill from.
Though I thought the force giving us our Boundless Ethos was more on the anti-Maw side than the Maw. Hmm even just thinking about Form Fracture was destroying our mind and making us consider taking it more and more so maybe that was the Maw's plan? Give a child (did it pick us because we're a Bloomling?) Boundless Ethos while also nudging them to picking become a Monster power but by random chance/Vote power/Flower Fuckery Lilly didn't fall into that fate.
Is this the cause of Colossus and Flower constantly Double Downing on Lilly? Colossus made a gamble to make another monster but it didn't work so it tried to fix it or put us down like the failure we are to it? Which causes Flower to come in and counter and the double down upward spiral of investment began.
God does this mean Valeria also has Boundless Ethos along with her Apothetic power? Cause it would be really scary to fight someone else with multiple ethoses even if Val seems to be only using her Word powers.
Other Sheet weirdness I noticed was that originally our Fracture Innate Source was Unwoven but after the update from the above quote it changed into less than .1% which might be different from Unwoven and she somehow Fractured or maybe it's Lilly learning a more precise term for the power/whatever Tension is.
This update also had us get Super Low Inner Awareness of Tension, SL- Innate Source Tension, and Super High Source Channel for Tension which sounds really important for if we get a Tension Source like our Prime Tree is for Essence.
If only people with access to an air-writing ethos can do it, [Quickwrit Stennovoker] would be a dead giveaway of a second ethos (unless we can convince them of our "tremendous stabilization").
"Lilly Silas? That Lilly Silas, a paragon of precision and stability? ahahahHAHAHA no"
So, for spellworks, it looks like we need a Mana source (or Oath, but never forget that
Evie's probably biased given her free spirit, but permanently-binding oaths in themselves make me (and everyone) leery, so Oath is still the last-resort power source when it comes to that.
The problem with spellworks/runes is: does Lilly really have the patience/dedication for it? Hopefully the new dungeon will allow her to practice those qualities.
"Lilly Silas? That Lilly Silas, a paragon of precision and stability? ahahahHAHAHA no"
So, for spellworks, it looks like we need a Mana source (or Oath, but never forget that
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Evie's probably biased given her free spirit, but permanently-binding oaths in themselves make me (and everyone) leery, so Oath is still the last-resort power source when it comes to that.
The problem with spellworks/runes is: does Lilly really have the patience/dedication for it? Hopefully the new dungeon will allow her to practice those qualities.
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that seems like a solid assumption considering that the entity that gave us Boundless Ethos also offered Form Fracture:
And I think it's not too far a leap that Form Fracture is aligned with the Maw.
The Level 3&4 was there already, the level 20 cap is new, might have been an oversight before, since we invested two levelups into the same subskill
Slyvena
I don't like pie.
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Don't be too scared. You've already seen an example of the Pale Lady since then. The grey shade that shifted the tide of the last battle by overriding the stags' spatial distortion and cutting one in half. Evie didn't explicitly lie, but making every other Ethos option seem like a poor choice was in her interest.
Even her positive review of [Reverent Advocate] was itself subtly worded to discourage being chosen, talking about 'excellent social applications' while you were in the middle of a life and death chase; effectively saying "this won't help you now" without sounding like she was putting every option except herself down.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
I mean.
Fair enough?
We've gotten a lot out of [Effervescent Animus] already, and she's certainly been paying the proverbial rent! (I doubt we'd have done nearly as well without Evie sniping things while we ran away).
Anyway, I had time to re-read the story while I was on the bus part of my drive to work, and something just clicked.
I was of the impression that our Ethos Picks were a tug of war between Flower and Colossi--but it looks like I was wrong! Colossi seems to have sucker punched Flower in order to try and turn Lilly (Who seems to be the product of some kind of big spiritual prophecy/gardening project or something?) into an agent of the Maw--similar to what seems to have happened to Valerie and the [Rapid Iterator] we're locking horns against. Taking [Form Fracture] appears to have been "Colossi gets his way and succeeds completely"
But Flower isn't a low tier Transcendent, and immediately started fighting back--and I think that might have something to do with the 'Rolls' that are apparently involved with our Ethos picks. To an extent they're randomly generated--but it's also a matter of "They're both sending you Ethae, and at least one background roll seems to determine which of them is dominant in the power struggle." Colossi still seems to be the one who triggers the Integrations, but from what we've been seeing, Flower's starting to get its feet back under it? At about the same time we were getting the Integration that Evie rode in (Which was a moment in the narrative where Flower apparently got a temporary advantage on Colossi?) The big tendril that connected 'Had a core of Gold' rather than just being the horribly wrong thing, and Evie rode that channel down into us--and we know that Evie got a boost up by Flower.
And the big thing that's happened now (The threshold we crossed so to speak) is that Lilly seems to have developed enough "Weight" that she's become self-sustaining. She doesn't need a Transcendent connecting to her in order to trigger a new Integration anymore (Though it probably helps). She's just a natural "Sink" for undirected stuff now.
At least, that's my feeling?
[Cleaver of Fate] may very well have been Flower calling in a favor from a peer or relative after achieving temporary dominance to try and disrupt the whole contest. After all, it's so far generally managed to keep us afloat during a clash against apparent Maw agents?
Fair enough?
We've gotten a lot out of [Effervescent Animus] already, and she's certainly been paying the proverbial rent! (I doubt we'd have done nearly as well without Evie sniping things while we ran away).
Anyway, I had time to re-read the story while I was on the bus part of my drive to work, and something just clicked.
I was of the impression that our Ethos Picks were a tug of war between Flower and Colossi--but it looks like I was wrong! Colossi seems to have sucker punched Flower in order to try and turn Lilly (Who seems to be the product of some kind of big spiritual prophecy/gardening project or something?) into an agent of the Maw--similar to what seems to have happened to Valerie and the [Rapid Iterator] we're locking horns against. Taking [Form Fracture] appears to have been "Colossi gets his way and succeeds completely"
But Flower isn't a low tier Transcendent, and immediately started fighting back--and I think that might have something to do with the 'Rolls' that are apparently involved with our Ethos picks. To an extent they're randomly generated--but it's also a matter of "They're both sending you Ethae, and at least one background roll seems to determine which of them is dominant in the power struggle." Colossi still seems to be the one who triggers the Integrations, but from what we've been seeing, Flower's starting to get its feet back under it? At about the same time we were getting the Integration that Evie rode in (Which was a moment in the narrative where Flower apparently got a temporary advantage on Colossi?) The big tendril that connected 'Had a core of Gold' rather than just being the horribly wrong thing, and Evie rode that channel down into us--and we know that Evie got a boost up by Flower.
And the big thing that's happened now (The threshold we crossed so to speak) is that Lilly seems to have developed enough "Weight" that she's become self-sustaining. She doesn't need a Transcendent connecting to her in order to trigger a new Integration anymore (Though it probably helps). She's just a natural "Sink" for undirected stuff now.
At least, that's my feeling?
[Cleaver of Fate] may very well have been Flower calling in a favor from a peer or relative after achieving temporary dominance to try and disrupt the whole contest. After all, it's so far generally managed to keep us afloat during a clash against apparent Maw agents?
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Questions for speculation: What does Fate mean in the battle between Weavers? How does Cleaver of Fate affect this?
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...Well, this raises some questions. Is each Pale Lady an independent construct, or are they all semi-avatars of the same entity? Does the Pale Lady remember that Lilly is a contender for her Ethos? If two soldiers on opposite sides of a battle both summon their own iterations of the Pale Lady, what happens?
Loki: I have to get off this planet!
Well, it makes sense that a 12-year-old (and the thread) fell to the machinations of The Trickster Goddess that all the stories in this world are about (including the one with the donkey). But if nothing else, we know that she's working in our interests (probably), rather than being the Aboleth to some other Valerie.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
That probably falls into "Learn and find out" I imagine.
Still! I'm super hyped to see what the Foundational stuff looks like! It looks like it's a perfect avenue to get gear that would level up with us that isn't the Heartstaff.
Looks like Edifice doesn't have Spellwork generation as a malus either like the Infernal one did, so who knows! It certainly looks like it's gear focused--what with the whole "The point here is to strengthen a side that's about to be genocided out of turn or at least put off the genocide button.", and that sort of implies "Stuff they can take out that isn't just XP"
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Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
So, tracking a line through our earlier character sheets, a few things jumped to mind.
1) Turn 1.2, we went from zero in the Mystery Box above Deific into Super High Source Channel. Something fucking happened in that window to blow the curtains off of that.
2) I believe I've figured out what triggers new Ethos selections, It's based on levelling up the ones we already have. Here's the timeline
So, aside from one aberration in turn 1.7 where we gain an extra point of unexplained Boundless Ethos experience from out of nowhere (Two significant events occurred in the narrative, coming clean with Lilly's Multivector status to her father, and the training we got from Mathew), this theory holds true--and it does suggest that we're actually on the cusp of a Sixth Ethos--unless the Foundational one is going to sit on the table where it otherwise would have gone. Because Evie is an inch from levelling up and [Brave Blood] isn't much behind, which should put us at 5/5 and move us up to Tier Six.
EDIT: A possibility looking at the Divergence tracks--[Brave Blood] might be sourced from Colossi, and he incentivizes taking his offerings by each of his gaining a point on the Boundless Ethos track just for accepting it. Since we're generally going the route of the community minded plucky heroine as opposed to the devourer and/or destroyer, [Dream Within the Forest] and [Cleaver of Fortune] have been having their Divergence steadily declining while the Sync goes up. But despite the shit Lilly gets up to and the crazy shenanigans she gets involved in, her [Brave Blood] divergence is close to reaching High (And trending upwards, while the Divergence on Cleaver and Forest are trending down). Despite seemingly doing the kind of thing Brave Blood is supposed to do?
1) Turn 1.2, we went from zero in the Mystery Box above Deific into Super High Source Channel. Something fucking happened in that window to blow the curtains off of that.
2) I believe I've figured out what triggers new Ethos selections, It's based on levelling up the ones we already have. Here's the timeline
Turn 1.1: No Ethae, Boundless Ethos seems to activate at Tier One.
Turn 1.2: [Dream Within the Forest] Integrates, is level Zero, Boundless Ethos remains at Tier One
Turn 1.3: No level Ups, Boundless Ethos remains at Tier One
Turn 1.4: [Dream Within the Forest] reaches Level One. Boundless Ethos reaches Tier Two, with a 1/1 Condition. We're offered our second Ethos Pick
Turn 1.5: [Cleaver of Fortune] Integrates, immediately reaches Level One from the events of the chapter. Boundless Ethos remains at Tier Two, but with a 1/2 Condition
Turn 1.6: [Dream Within the Forest] reaches Level Two. Boundless Ethos rises to Tier Three, at 2/2 Condition. We're offered our third Ethos Pick
Turn 1.7: [Brave Blood] integrates, reaches Level One. Boundless Ethos remains at Tier Three, with... 2/3 Condition? Is this an aberration or am I missing something?
Turn 1.8: No Level Ups, Boundless Ethos remains at Tier Three with 2/3 Condition. Still haven't figured out where that extra +1 came from, there may be a secondary source of Boundless Ethos markers!
Turn 1.9: Everything levels up once. Boundless Ethos reaches Tier Four, With 3/3 Condition. (2 overflow? Correction from the weirdness of 1.7?). We're offered our fourth Ethos Pick
Turn 1.10: [Effervescent Animus] integrates, levels up once. Boundless Ethos is at 3/4, (2 Overflow + 1 from Evie levelling up).
Turn 1.11: [Dream Within the Forest] and [Brave Blood] level up once each. Boundless Ethos is blocked from advancing to Tier Five with 4/4 Condition (1 Overflow?)
Turn 1.12: [Dream Within the Forest] and [Cleaver of Fortune] level up once each. Boundless Ethos advances to Tier 5 with 4/4 Condition (3 overflow now?)
Turn 1.2: [Dream Within the Forest] Integrates, is level Zero, Boundless Ethos remains at Tier One
Turn 1.3: No level Ups, Boundless Ethos remains at Tier One
Turn 1.4: [Dream Within the Forest] reaches Level One. Boundless Ethos reaches Tier Two, with a 1/1 Condition. We're offered our second Ethos Pick
Turn 1.5: [Cleaver of Fortune] Integrates, immediately reaches Level One from the events of the chapter. Boundless Ethos remains at Tier Two, but with a 1/2 Condition
Turn 1.6: [Dream Within the Forest] reaches Level Two. Boundless Ethos rises to Tier Three, at 2/2 Condition. We're offered our third Ethos Pick
Turn 1.7: [Brave Blood] integrates, reaches Level One. Boundless Ethos remains at Tier Three, with... 2/3 Condition? Is this an aberration or am I missing something?
Turn 1.8: No Level Ups, Boundless Ethos remains at Tier Three with 2/3 Condition. Still haven't figured out where that extra +1 came from, there may be a secondary source of Boundless Ethos markers!
Turn 1.9: Everything levels up once. Boundless Ethos reaches Tier Four, With 3/3 Condition. (2 overflow? Correction from the weirdness of 1.7?). We're offered our fourth Ethos Pick
Turn 1.10: [Effervescent Animus] integrates, levels up once. Boundless Ethos is at 3/4, (2 Overflow + 1 from Evie levelling up).
Turn 1.11: [Dream Within the Forest] and [Brave Blood] level up once each. Boundless Ethos is blocked from advancing to Tier Five with 4/4 Condition (1 Overflow?)
Turn 1.12: [Dream Within the Forest] and [Cleaver of Fortune] level up once each. Boundless Ethos advances to Tier 5 with 4/4 Condition (3 overflow now?)
EDIT: A possibility looking at the Divergence tracks--[Brave Blood] might be sourced from Colossi, and he incentivizes taking his offerings by each of his gaining a point on the Boundless Ethos track just for accepting it. Since we're generally going the route of the community minded plucky heroine as opposed to the devourer and/or destroyer, [Dream Within the Forest] and [Cleaver of Fortune] have been having their Divergence steadily declining while the Sync goes up. But despite the shit Lilly gets up to and the crazy shenanigans she gets involved in, her [Brave Blood] divergence is close to reaching High (And trending upwards, while the Divergence on Cleaver and Forest are trending down). Despite seemingly doing the kind of thing Brave Blood is supposed to do?
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Edifice also sounds like it is level locked so it could be beaten by the invading species. Then the humans take op stuff out and fend off the genociding whatever.
Like it can never be more powerful than humans for example.
It's meant to bootstrap the losing side up. It's not meant to beat the invaders, it's meant to lose to invaders and make them even more powerful. It's designed to be exploited not by us... rather by others.
Like it can never be more powerful than humans for example.
It's meant to bootstrap the losing side up. It's not meant to beat the invaders, it's meant to lose to invaders and make them even more powerful. It's designed to be exploited not by us... rather by others.
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Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
The reverse is also true, if too much force hits it, Edifice scales up to counter.
I don't feel like Brave Blood really is at home with the situation. This isn't a girl going off to adventure, it's way messier. Many of the heroes/watchmen are jerks, her father was well just that, and so on. I'd imagine it's her emotional perspective right now that's causing the divergence
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Also possible, yeah, I hope the Ethos doesn't break down at MAX Divergence. [Brave Blood] is doing clutch work keeping our ass afloat.